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	<title>Comments on: New Party Forms in Idaho</title>
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		<title>by: Carl Milsted</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1696</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 13 Dec 2005 23:27:23 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The real issue is raising money WHILE IN OFFICE. This is bribery, pure and simple. Further, while we have limitations on campaign finance, current office holders have an unfair advantage, since they can use their office for publicity purposes.

The term limits movement goes too far in some ways ant not go far enough in other ways. Not far enough in that it allows incumbents to run for re-election or for another office. Too far in that it doesn't allow people with experience to run again after they are out of office. The rule should be:

* No running for office while holding office.

That is, you are a politician when running for office, but a statesman while in office. Might also throw in:

* No raising money for others while holding office.

And, of course, no raising money for self, including campaign debts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The real issue is raising money <span class="caps">WHILE IN OFFICE</span>. This is bribery, pure and simple. Further, while we have limitations on campaign finance, current office holders have an unfair advantage, since they can use their office for publicity purposes.</p>
	<p>The term limits movement goes too far in some ways ant not go far enough in other ways. Not far enough in that it allows incumbents to run for re-election or for another office. Too far in that it doesn&#8217;t allow people with experience to run again after they are out of office. The rule should be:</p>
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	<li>No running for office while holding office.</li>
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	<p>That is, you are a politician when running for office, but a statesman while in office. Might also throw in:</p>
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	<li>No raising money for others while holding office.</li>
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	<p>And, of course, no raising money for self, including campaign debts.</p>
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		<title>by: FL Term Limits</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1691</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Dec 2005 20:09:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Term limits are an important issue. In 1992 in Florida 77% of voters voted to limit elected state officials to 8 year terms.  The issue was brought about by citizen initiative.  Now, by legislative initiative, they are trying to extend term limits to 12 years.  Help us keep 8 year term limits! www.floridatermlimits.com 
http://fltermlimits.blogspot.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Term limits are an important issue. In 1992 in Florida 77% of voters voted to limit elected state officials to 8 year terms.  The issue was brought about by citizen initiative.  Now, by legislative initiative, they are trying to extend term limits to 12 years.  Help us keep 8 year term limits! <a href='http://www.floridatermlimits.com' rel='nofollow'>www.floridatermlimits.com</a><br />
<a href='http://fltermlimits.blogspot.com' rel='nofollow'>http://fltermlimits.blogspot.com</a></p>
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		<title>by: Jim 101</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1674</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 15:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm all for term limits in the House.

Fresh ideas, and new energy are a must if this country is going to face down the many challenges it faces these days. It's become painfully obvious to me, and to most of the American public, that our present Senate and Congress is not up to the challenges we now face. They are spending far to much of their time just trying to stay in power, raise obscene amounts of money, and score political points at the expense of the good of the country, then doing the work of the people.

And it's just not that easy for the American public to vote the incumbents out of office these days. Most voters never even know who the challengers are, due to the massive amounts of money the incumbents are able to raise, and the exposure they get. Voting against the incumbent, without even knowing who the challenger is, is not exactly a smart thing to do IMO.

&quot;Absolute power, absolutely corrupts&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m all for term limits in the House.</p>
	<p>Fresh ideas, and new energy are a must if this country is going to face down the many challenges it faces these days. It&#8217;s become painfully obvious to me, and to most of the American public, that our present Senate and Congress is not up to the challenges we now face. They are spending far to much of their time just trying to stay in power, raise obscene amounts of money, and score political points at the expense of the good of the country, then doing the work of the people.</p>
	<p>And it&#8217;s just not that easy for the American public to vote the incumbents out of office these days. Most voters never even know who the challengers are, due to the massive amounts of money the incumbents are able to raise, and the exposure they get. Voting against the incumbent, without even knowing who the challenger is, is not exactly a smart thing to do <span class="caps">IMO</span>.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Absolute power, absolutely corrupts&#8221;...</p>
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		<title>by: Kyle B</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1669</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Dec 2005 03:13:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have never understood why politics is the one field where people seem to think experience on is job is bad. Every other career people like for the person to have gained experience, for example a docter or teacher. 
Plus term limits take away the main incentive for a person to do a good job in office, reelection. Alexander Hamilton and James Madison make the same point about the incentives of reelection in The Federalist Papers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have never understood why politics is the one field where people seem to think experience on is job is bad. Every other career people like for the person to have gained experience, for example a docter or teacher.<br />
Plus term limits take away the main incentive for a person to do a good job in office, reelection. Alexander Hamilton and James Madison make the same point about the incentives of reelection in The Federalist Papers</p>
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		<title>by: IndiPol</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1654</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 22:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I agree with you that one would think that if voters wanted term limits and an end to lifelong incumbency then they'd do it themselvse at the ballot box, but that isn't happening. Just like voters want clean air, campaign finance reform, end to corporate crimes, end to corruption, but that isn't going to happen either without a certain amount of legislation. For example, a la Bush, you'd have situations like &quot;letting polluting corporations police themselves because they know what best for their own industry&quot;. Two years in the US House is probably just enough time to get wet behind the ears. I do like having some &quot;senior&quot; members in congress and not all of 'em being newbies.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I agree with you that one would think that if voters wanted term limits and an end to lifelong incumbency then they&#8217;d do it themselvse at the ballot box, but that isn&#8217;t happening. Just like voters want clean air, campaign finance reform, end to corporate crimes, end to corruption, but that isn&#8217;t going to happen either without a certain amount of legislation. For example, a la Bush, you&#8217;d have situations like &#8220;letting polluting corporations police themselves because they know what best for their own industry&#8221;. Two years in the <span class="caps">US </span>House is probably just enough time to get wet behind the ears. I do like having some &#8220;senior&#8221; members in congress and not all of &#8216;em being newbies.</p>
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1652</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 19:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am all four citizen legislators.  I just don't see why you need a law mandating it?  Why would those people elected to the legislature vote a term limits bill if voters keep reelecting them. I always vote against incumbents. If Americans wanted term limits that is all they would have to do.  

The sense I get from this article is &quot;we have no worldview, no philosophy, and no ideas, but we are for term limits because it sounds good without accomplishing anything.&quot;

And why four terms for house and two for senate?  That seems arbitrary.  Why not one term for each?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am all four citizen legislators.  I just don&#8217;t see why you need a law mandating it?  Why would those people elected to the legislature vote a term limits bill if voters keep reelecting them. I always vote against incumbents. If Americans wanted term limits that is all they would have to do.</p>
	<p>The sense I get from this article is &#8220;we have no worldview, no philosophy, and no ideas, but we are for term limits because it sounds good without accomplishing anything.&#8221;</p>
	<p>And why four terms for house and two for senate?  That seems arbitrary.  Why not one term for each?</p>
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		<title>by: IndiPol</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1650</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 18:13:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sounds like a good issue to me. Isn't everyone tired of professional politicians. Citizen legislators are the way to go. House: 4 terms and out. Senate: two terms and out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sounds like a good issue to me. Isn&#8217;t everyone tired of professional politicians. Citizen legislators are the way to go. House: 4 terms and out. Senate: two terms and out.</p>
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1644</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 11:16:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I really don't these centrist parties.  It just seems to me that the two major parties are already so centrist that a new centrist party doesn't have much to add to the debate.  Personally, I find term limits pretty lame as issues go.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I really don&#8217;t these centrist parties.  It just seems to me that the two major parties are already so centrist that a new centrist party doesn&#8217;t have much to add to the debate.  Personally, I find term limits pretty lame as issues go.</p>
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		<title>by: Tim West</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2005/12/07/new-party-forms-in-idaho/#comment-1642</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Dec 2005 04:52:20 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I wouldnt mind seeing term limits in the next LP platform as a transitional action.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I wouldnt mind seeing term limits in the next LP platform as a transitional action.</p>
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