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		<title>by: zoloft</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-193632</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 14:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>by: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80983</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 15:46:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80983</guid>
					<description>UA:

I did give you the name of an economist. 

Murray Rothbard.

And a link to a book.

You can scroll up, click on it, read it, and even cut-and-paste a response to the author if you feel like it. 

Maybe it will change your mind - maybe not. Maybe, if you feel like responding to the arguments, you can change my mind or someone else's.

If you haven't read it yet, you should. Why rule out the possibility you could be wrong about something? Given how many times you've switched political parties, to take just one example, I would be surprised if you were so inflexible as to discount the possibility that you are in error.

Incidentally, Murray was Jewish and not at all self-hating, so that old dog won't hunt.

Yes, there is in fact an anti-Jewish element to some anti-big-banker sentiments. 

You may or may not already know why, but I'll explain it in case you don't, and/or for the benefit of anyone else who might be reading.

This is because, back in the middle ages, the European Catholic Theocracy decreed profit in banking to be usury, a sin, and Christians were not allowed to charge interest; and, furthermore, it forbade Jews to own land, which was the chief socially recognized measure of wealth at the time. 

So naturally Jews became bankers since a)they were not allowed to make a living the normal way (farming), and b) Christians were not allowed to make money by banking. 

So naturally this created a need and opportunity that was filled. 

With having this big head start (created by catholics) in the banking industry as it grew it developed, it is no wonder many Jews are prominent in the field of banking.

But the issue is not banking per se, it is the *artificial coercive monopoly* in central banking and monopoly fiat currency. Monopoly money, if you will. 

You see, the thing is, this can never, ever, ever be good or do good, anywhere on any issue at any time, no matter what whig you put on that particular pig.

Hamilton was wrong about this. 

And as for your way working &quot;well&quot; - as opposed to our way, which has not been tried under the same circumstances? 

And in fact what do you mean by working well? The wealth that exists is the byproduct of the former relatively free economy, when growth was faster. Now that there is more regulation, there is less economic growth, if you consider economic growth a good thing.

Since the state is nothing but a leech and parasite on the economy, it does not anything positive of value. However, it is also not a total state yet, so some economic activity survives - to whatever extent the state stays out of the way. In America, as opposed to many other countries, we have the good accumulated fortune of reaping the benefits of a state that left the economy alone far more so than in many other countries for many years. Therefore, we are wealthier than most other countries.

However, we have always had an element of regime interference in the economy - which again is never, ever, not in a million years good - and it is growing. 

This will eventually lead to economic collapse. That may take place either before or after the successful completion of a totalitarian *world* regime. 

Either way, there's only two ways to go: either we will convince a sufficient number of people to head this catastrophe off at the pass by getting rid of monopoly money (and other aspects of regime government) - or, more likely, it will continue to its logical conclusion, collapse of its own dead weight, and we will have a free market in money and the next evolutionary step (anarchy), but the transition won't be as peaceful or orderly as it could be if we were to succeed in convincing a sufficient number of people to take action and implement the wise and inevitable path of decentralization, regime collapse, and anarchy/panarchy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>UA:</p>
	<p>I did give you the name of an economist.</p>
	<p>Murray Rothbard.</p>
	<p>And a link to a book.</p>
	<p>You can scroll up, click on it, read it, and even cut-and-paste a response to the author if you feel like it.</p>
	<p>Maybe it will change your mind &#8211; maybe not. Maybe, if you feel like responding to the arguments, you can change my mind or someone else&#8217;s.</p>
	<p>If you haven&#8217;t read it yet, you should. Why rule out the possibility you could be wrong about something? Given how many times you&#8217;ve switched political parties, to take just one example, I would be surprised if you were so inflexible as to discount the possibility that you are in error.</p>
	<p>Incidentally, Murray was Jewish and not at all self-hating, so that old dog won&#8217;t hunt.</p>
	<p>Yes, there is in fact an anti-Jewish element to some anti-big-banker sentiments.</p>
	<p>You may or may not already know why, but I&#8217;ll explain it in case you don&#8217;t, and/or for the benefit of anyone else who might be reading.</p>
	<p>This is because, back in the middle ages, the European Catholic Theocracy decreed profit in banking to be usury, a sin, and Christians were not allowed to charge interest; and, furthermore, it forbade Jews to own land, which was the chief socially recognized measure of wealth at the time.</p>
	<p>So naturally Jews became bankers since a)they were not allowed to make a living the normal way (farming), and b) Christians were not allowed to make money by banking.</p>
	<p>So naturally this created a need and opportunity that was filled.</p>
	<p>With having this big head start (created by catholics) in the banking industry as it grew it developed, it is no wonder many Jews are prominent in the field of banking.</p>
	<p>But the issue is not banking per se, it is the <strong>artificial coercive monopoly</strong> in central banking and monopoly fiat currency. Monopoly money, if you will.</p>
	<p>You see, the thing is, this can never, ever, ever be good or do good, anywhere on any issue at any time, no matter what whig you put on that particular pig.</p>
	<p>Hamilton was wrong about this.</p>
	<p>And as for your way working &#8220;well&#8221; &#8211; as opposed to our way, which has not been tried under the same circumstances?</p>
	<p>And in fact what do you mean by working well? The wealth that exists is the byproduct of the former relatively free economy, when growth was faster. Now that there is more regulation, there is less economic growth, if you consider economic growth a good thing.</p>
	<p>Since the state is nothing but a leech and parasite on the economy, it does not anything positive of value. However, it is also not a total state yet, so some economic activity survives &#8211; to whatever extent the state stays out of the way. In America, as opposed to many other countries, we have the good accumulated fortune of reaping the benefits of a state that left the economy alone far more so than in many other countries for many years. Therefore, we are wealthier than most other countries.</p>
	<p>However, we have always had an element of regime interference in the economy &#8211; which again is never, ever, not in a million years good &#8211; and it is growing.</p>
	<p>This will eventually lead to economic collapse. That may take place either before or after the successful completion of a totalitarian <strong>world</strong> regime.</p>
	<p>Either way, there&#8217;s only two ways to go: either we will convince a sufficient number of people to head this catastrophe off at the pass by getting rid of monopoly money (and other aspects of regime government) &#8211; or, more likely, it will continue to its logical conclusion, collapse of its own dead weight, and we will have a free market in money and the next evolutionary step (anarchy), but the transition won&#8217;t be as peaceful or orderly as it could be if we were to succeed in convincing a sufficient number of people to take action and implement the wise and inevitable path of decentralization, regime collapse, and anarchy/panarchy.</p>
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		<title>by: undercover_anarchist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80888</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 06:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Way to dismiss what I say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Way to dismiss what I say.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80885</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 06:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wow. Again,im going to ignore anything you say, because it lacks political value.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wow. Again,im going to ignore anything you say, because it lacks political value.</p>
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		<title>by: undercover_anarchist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80868</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Dec 2006 05:10:39 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Still waiting for the name of one economist.

Hamilton was right on the issue of central banking. He was also right when it came to &quot;equal&quot; representation in the senate. Bad people can be right and good people can be wrong. Just as the Founders were morally wrong to endorse slavery and gender-apartheid. You say they were right. I say you are a racist mysoginist.

There are plenty of self-hating Jews. I'm not saying you're self-hating, I'm just stating a fact that there are plenty of self-hating Jews. You are influenced by the anti-banker hysteria that is anti-semitic in root. I am saying that.

The government has one real worthwhile task and that is creating rules by which economic transactions are to take place. You can have it your way, but my way has worked well for the past century.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Still waiting for the name of one economist.</p>
	<p>Hamilton was right on the issue of central banking. He was also right when it came to &#8220;equal&#8221; representation in the senate. Bad people can be right and good people can be wrong. Just as the Founders were morally wrong to endorse slavery and gender-apartheid. You say they were right. I say you are a racist mysoginist.</p>
	<p>There are plenty of self-hating Jews. I&#8217;m not saying you&#8217;re self-hating, I&#8217;m just stating a fact that there are plenty of self-hating Jews. You are influenced by the anti-banker hysteria that is anti-semitic in root. I am saying that.</p>
	<p>The government has one real worthwhile task and that is creating rules by which economic transactions are to take place. You can have it your way, but my way has worked well for the past century.</p>
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		<title>by: RCAIP</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80396</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 11:26:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Relax, 

UA is just sexually frustrated for some perverted reason we don't want to know about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Relax,</p>
	<p>UA is just sexually frustrated for some perverted reason we don&#8217;t want to know about.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80361</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 08:18:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80361</guid>
					<description>WTF!? Are you seriously backing Alexander Hamilton AND claiming to be a LIBERTARIAN!? 

Secondly, the Founding Father's DID know what they were doing when the denied women and non-whites the right to vote. They lived in a different time. As far as economy, diplomacy, war, and politics were concerned, they were demi-gods.

The massive economy of the US is a result of Capitalism, not central banking.

And, why would i WANT the USA to be an assraping backward third-world nation chasing &quot;blood diamonds&quot; (Nice Theatrical rip. Tell Dicaprio i said hey). 

As for thinly vieled semeticism, don't make assumptions. You just unilaterally placed yourself in the &quot;Incorrect asshole&quot; category. There's a star of David on my Graduation ring, im in pro-Israeli groups on Facebook. So,good guess. Banana.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">WTF</span>!? Are you seriously backing Alexander Hamilton <span class="caps">AND</span> claiming to be a <span class="caps">LIBERTARIAN</span>!?</p>
	<p>Secondly, the Founding Father&#8217;s <span class="caps">DID</span> know what they were doing when the denied women and non-whites the right to vote. They lived in a different time. As far as economy, diplomacy, war, and politics were concerned, they were demi-gods.</p>
	<p>The massive economy of the US is a result of Capitalism, not central banking.</p>
	<p>And, why would i <span class="caps">WANT</span> the <span class="caps">USA</span> to be an assraping backward third-world nation chasing &#8220;blood diamonds&#8221; (Nice Theatrical rip. Tell Dicaprio i said hey).</p>
	<p>As for thinly vieled semeticism, don&#8217;t make assumptions. You just unilaterally placed yourself in the &#8220;Incorrect asshole&#8221; category. There&#8217;s a star of David on my Graduation ring, im in pro-Israeli groups on Facebook. So,good guess. Banana.</p>
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		<title>by: undercover_anarchist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80260</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Dec 2006 02:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The very idea of being an &quot;economist&quot; was not yet formulated at the time of the founding.

The founders &quot;knew what they were doing&quot; when they denied women and non-whites the right to vote? When they enshrined slavery in your blessed Constitution? Yeah, they did know what they were doing.

Alexander Hamiltion advocated a central bank. The country struggled for decades without one. HE KNEW. But the idea of a government being powerful to issue fiat currency was completely foreign at the time. Certainly not the upstart US. And people still believed in attaching leeches to their bodies to get rid of ill humors - and they still believed that gold had real value. People were stupid.

As for not having an argument - my argument is the massive wealth that our nation enjoys. You have Osama bin Laden's economic policies. You want the US to be an assraping backward third-world nation chasing blood diamonds, all in the name of your thinly vieled anti-semiticism. And it's really all because you don't understand what an economy even is.

Merry Xmas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The very idea of being an &#8220;economist&#8221; was not yet formulated at the time of the founding.</p>
	<p>The founders &#8220;knew what they were doing&#8221; when they denied women and non-whites the right to vote? When they enshrined slavery in your blessed Constitution? Yeah, they did know what they were doing.</p>
	<p>Alexander Hamiltion advocated a central bank. The country struggled for decades without one. <span class="caps">HE KNEW</span>. But the idea of a government being powerful to issue fiat currency was completely foreign at the time. Certainly not the upstart US. And people still believed in attaching leeches to their bodies to get rid of ill humors &#8211; and they still believed that gold had real value. People were stupid.</p>
	<p>As for not having an argument &#8211; my argument is the massive wealth that our nation enjoys. You have Osama bin Laden&#8217;s economic policies. You want the US to be an assraping backward third-world nation chasing blood diamonds, all in the name of your thinly vieled anti-semiticism. And it&#8217;s really all because you don&#8217;t understand what an economy even is.</p>
	<p>Merry Xmas.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80218</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 23:48:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>LMAO, thats Stuart. Furthermore, if Libertarianism has taught us anything it is this.

The founding fathers KNEW what they were doing. MODERN Politicians, economists, and activists are FAR behind the times, and there TIIIINY little brains can not compare to the likes of Jefferson, Madison, and Washington.
And yes, alot of the founding fathers were economists.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">LMAO</span>, thats Stuart. Furthermore, if Libertarianism has taught us anything it is this.</p>
	<p>The founding fathers <span class="caps">KNEW</span> what they were doing. <span class="caps">MODERN </span>Politicians, economists, and activists are <span class="caps">FAR</span> behind the times, and there <span class="caps">TIIIINY</span> little brains can not compare to the likes of Jefferson, Madison, and Washington.<br />
And yes, alot of the founding fathers were economists.</p>
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		<title>by: Stuart Richards</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80062</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 11:27:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;Please kill yourself.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;You guys are all a bunch of knuckle-dragging numbskulls and idolators. Burn in hell.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Does somebody need a hug?</description>
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<blockquote>Please kill yourself.</blockquote></p>
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<blockquote>You guys are all a bunch of knuckle-dragging numbskulls and idolators. Burn in hell.</blockquote></p>
	<p>Does somebody need a hug?</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-80050</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 09:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>You are incredibly ignorant. You don't even have an arguement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>You are incredibly ignorant. You don&#8217;t even have an arguement.</p>
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		<title>by: undercover_anarchist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-79834</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 18:19:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The foudning fathers weren't economists you fucking tool. And I'm asking for a MODERN economist. Great thinkers used to believe in gods atop Mount Olympus too. In fact, a few great thinkers may have even believed in the existence of your imaginary god. That's ancient history - I'm talking about MODERN ECONOMISTS.

I'm still waiting for the name of a serious economist who believes in the false idol of gold. Some king in Mesopotamia decided that gold was pretty, and we have been wasting countless amounts of energy, lives, and REAL resources in its pursuit ever since.

Gold's only value today is based on the government's hording of gold. If the government released its stockpile, the value of gold would plummet. And yet moronic goldbugs believe that gold is the currency in case the government collapses. You guys are all a bunch of knuckle-dragging numbskulls and idolators. Burn in hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The foudning fathers weren&#8217;t economists you fucking tool. And I&#8217;m asking for a <span class="caps">MODERN</span> economist. Great thinkers used to believe in gods atop Mount Olympus too. In fact, a few great thinkers may have even believed in the existence of your imaginary god. That&#8217;s ancient history &#8211; I&#8217;m talking about <span class="caps">MODERN ECONOMISTS</span>.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m still waiting for the name of a serious economist who believes in the false idol of gold. Some king in Mesopotamia decided that gold was pretty, and we have been wasting countless amounts of energy, lives, and <span class="caps">REAL</span> resources in its pursuit ever since.</p>
	<p>Gold&#8217;s only value today is based on the government&#8217;s hording of gold. If the government released its stockpile, the value of gold would plummet. And yet moronic goldbugs believe that gold is the currency in case the government collapses. You guys are all a bunch of knuckle-dragging numbskulls and idolators. Burn in hell.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-79642</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 04:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Show me a serious economist&quot;

Um. Pick a founding father. They believed in it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Show me a serious economist&#8221;</p>
	<p>Um. Pick a founding father. They believed in it.</p>
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		<title>by: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-79574</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:20:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;This is the unpleasant underpinning of the greatest economy in the history of civilization.&lt;/i&gt;

And a large part of why it isn't much greater than it is, as well as why it will probably soon collapse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>This is the unpleasant underpinning of the greatest economy in the history of civilization.</i></p>
	<p>And a large part of why it isn&#8217;t much greater than it is, as well as why it will probably soon collapse.</p>
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		<title>by: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/hit-piece-on-the-green-rainbow-party-of-massachusetts/#comment-79572</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:18:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To be fair, the actual point was that you should be able to use whatever you want for money, with the government having no part in your decision. 

However, historically, gold has usually been what the market selects as the concensus choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To be fair, the actual point was that you should be able to use whatever you want for money, with the government having no part in your decision.</p>
	<p>However, historically, gold has usually been what the market selects as the concensus choice.</p>
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