The Lone Patriot: Is it Time to Combine?

John Newby has returned to blogging with yet another call for the Libertarian, Constitution, America First, and Reform parties to merge. He says he is going to going to “contact the leadership of several of the independent Parties and propose a meeting of representatives from each party . . . [to] meet in the Midwest and discuss a combined platform.” That sounds pretty similar to the 2004 Clarion Call for Convergence Committee .

One thing I disagree with Mr. Newby about is when he writes:

Let’s take abortion and religion since those are two fairly polarizing topics among the various Parties. While each Party takes a stand on these issues that is differing from the others, they all do believe that government has no place in these issues. So a combined Party may have many varying views and/or even sub-Parties so to speak; however the combined Parties stand may be against government backed, sponsored or involvement in the issue.

While that may be true concering the Libertarian and Reform parties, it is factually incorrect regarding the Constitution and America First parties. The Sanctity of Life plank of the Constitution Party’s platform states “we will do all that is within our power to encourage federal, state, and local government officials to protect the sanctity of the life of the pre-born through legislation, executive action, and judicial enforcement of the law of the land.” The America First Party’s platform calls for “the passage and vigorous enforcement of legislation which protects the right to life, regardless of age or state of gestation.”

You can read the blog entry in question here.

32 Responses to “The Lone Patriot: Is it Time to Combine?”

  1. Gene Berkman Says:

    There is some benefit to alternative parties cooperating to change ballot access laws, and there are some candidates who might get support from all these parties. But there are too many differences on issues, as well as style of politics, to great one big alternative right-wing party out of a merger of the Libertarians, the Constitution Party etc.

    An attempt at a merger will cause splits in both the Libertarian Party and the Constitution Party, and lead to smaller and weaker alternative parties.

    And of course, the extreme elements in each party are different, and combining all these parties will just give the mainstream media even more of a chance to highlight the kooks that exist on the fringes of the fringe parties.

  2. Austin Cassidy Says:

    Yeah, these parties are built on hard-core ideology. Not saying that’s a bad thing, just a fact. You have parties that try to capture the center (Reform, Independence) and those who work on the fringes. You can’t just say: “Hey, let’s merge all of these parties and head for the center.” The parties themselves are made up of people who would rather be small and “pure” than trade that for electoral success.

  3. Tom Bryant Says:

    The Republican and Democratic parties already fill this gap. They have members and candidates with opposing views on many subjects. If you want to be in a party that doesn’t represent your values but has a higher chance of winning elections, choose one of them.

    Why would I run for office as a candidate of the Political Mutt Party? I’d not be representing a party that shares my views and I’d not be elected.

  4. undercover_anarchist Says:

    These parties have VERY LITTLE in common.

    The CP and American First parties are American Nazi hate groups. They’re theocratic, anti-capitalist, racist parties.

    The Reform Party is a neo-populist remnant of a party with moronic positions on trade and immigration. Except where hijacked by CP types, the Reform Party is explicitly secular – more so than the Democrats.

    The LP, at its best, is none of these things. There are many Libertarians who are stridently anti-theocracy, anti-racism, anti-protectionism, anti-xenophobia, etc.

    How about the CP and “America First” parties instead merge with the White People’s Party of Nevada, or maybe with the Amish, and go off on a farm and buttvuck each other into oblivion. That’s a better idea.

  5. Nick Wilson Says:

    Actually, I think it would be better for the LP to merge with the Green Party. Before the s—-storm begins, the fact of the matter is that many people in the LP and the Green Party have the same or similar values – the decentralization of power. The difference is that the Green Party sees centralizing government power as the lesser evil, in order to decentralize corporate power, whom they see as more abusive and environmentally degrading.

    The Libertarians know better – that creating a centralized, exceedingly regulatory political elite only feeds connections between government and corporations by allowing the economic elites to bribe exemptions, loopholes and special benefits from the political elite to protect their wealth, leading to the very state corporatism that the Green Party wishes to avoid. Combine that with the fact that the excessive regulatory state crushes the small business sector, leading to a big business oligopoly on the market and a perpetual cycle of poverty at the bottom who cannot get out via entrepreneurship, and the Left has pretty much defeated all the values they claim to hold.

    If the LP was reaching out to the Greens with practical economics and uniting us under the banner of progressivism that Adam Smith himself carried, instead of slapping them in the face for their failed socialism and treating the environment as if it doesn’t matter (au contraire, environmental degradation affects the property of everyone and thus polluters should be forced to pay the full cost of their pollution or go to jail in a system of true property rights), there might actually be a fusion that could change the political dialogue in this country.

    I think the Reform and Independence parties should also be invited to be a part of such a union, as government reform should be one of the top agendas of any third party – by pushing for real reform and “cleaning up the system”, third parties can reach moderates and maybe win them over on their ideology as well. But the party should avoid the Reform Party’s mistake of centering so much on the reform aspect that ideological schisms break out among the members.

  6. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    And shared symbolism?

    Three bladed Electricity Generator via Wind Mill as 21st Century Peace Sign?

    More Ichronography: Teddy Roosevelt and his 1912 Bull Moose running mate [and Direct Democracy guru] California Governor Hiram W. Johnson, Bull Moose Plush toys, Theodore Bear Plush toys, and Mount Rushmore Photo Mounts and Frames?

  7. Trent Hill Says:

    Undercover_Anarchist.
    Stop speaking, your STUPID is showing.
    Seriously, you are OBVIOUSLY taking a negative bias on all the third parties. And while we appreciate your value as a Simple Jester, we dont want you to actually SHARE your moronic opinions.
    The CP and America First parties are not NAZI HATE GROUPS. I am Jewish (By origin), and non-denominational. Nazi’s would not be very accepting of those traits.

    Furthermore, as we’ve stated many times, The CP is not theocratic, and it is not racist (although certain members may be, like any party).
    And to say the CP is anti-capitalist is….well…moronic. While I dont agree with the protectionist platform, they are OBVIOUSLY attempting to safegaurd capitalism as they are extremely anti-communist/anti-socialist. This demonstrates your lack of knowledge on their positions.

    Seriously, speaking is no longer needed for you.

  8. Steve Says:

    I don’t think that a full merger should be on the table, but limited ad-hoc cooperation could be very beneficial. For example, a 2008 presidential ticket of Bob Barr and Ron Paul would be, I think, acceptable to most of the LP and CP. Or even one of those two with a moderate GP runningmate (such as Kevin Zeese). Hopefully we could be gentlemen and agree to disagree on abortion while focusing on areas more likely to gain concensus such as restoring property rights, reducing spending, and ending the war in Iraq.

    But maybe I’m too optimistic.

  9. Stuart Richards Says:

    We can dream all we’d like but the reality of the situation is that it’s not going to happen.

  10. RCAIP Says:

    UA,

    The California affiliate of the CP has a Jewish Vice-Chair and a Mormon Chairman. We have Latinos, African-Americans, and many different ethnic groups in the Party. The Michigan CP ran a middle-easterner for Governor.

    Even with the Cali. Party, our state platform has a platform on our opposition to nazism, communism and anything toltalitarian.
    Oh yes, and being protectionist is NOT anti-capitalist.

    But I don’t have to prove anything. Even before the sixties the far-left and people of UA’s calibar ranted about right-wing nazi this, right-wing nazi that. And people don’t buy it, especially here.
    Stalinism just doesn’t work.

    Why not include sexuallity UA? I know that was a major issue for you since you likely are insecure about your own.

    Word of advice, think before you act.

    Oh yeah, the Theocratic charges apply to the AHP, not us. Obviously you haven’t been reading the posts.

  11. undercover_anarchist Says:

    RCAIP accuses me of being a Stalinist when he supports a party that wants to build a wall around the country and create “capitalism within one nation.” A whole lot like Stalin’s “communism within one nation” if you ask me. What is the difference between state capitalism and state communism? In either system, the borders are sealed and people are essentially working for the good of the state. In Stalin’s brand of pseudo-communism, the state is god. In the CP’s brand of pseudo-communism, god is the state.

    The CP most certainly is theocratic. Read the premable of its platform. It does not believe in a separation of church and state. It believes in a revisionist history in which our nation was founded as a “Christian nation” and in which Thomas Jefferson (of all people) was a Christian. The CP is clearly not reality-based.

    Then the charges come… “We have black members! I’m Jewish! Some of my best friends are Latinos.”

    Look – Anyone who wants to make English the national language; build a wall around the country; stop the free flow of goods and services across the imainary, state-created line in the sand called the “border” is a RACIST. Period. And the CP? The damn CA affiliate was founded to support George Wallace’s white supremacist run for the presidency! The AIP/IAP is even alleged to have been involved in the King assassination!

    And about your awesome religious diversity – a) Big deal. So you believe in a bunch of different imaginary gods. b) I’ve seen some of the rhetoric thrown around by party leaders who do not approve of certain imaginary gods (i.e. Mormon, Catholic, Jewish).

    Happy Holidays!

  12. matt Says:

    Look – Anyone who wants to make English the national language; build a wall around the country; stop the free flow of goods and services across the imainary, state-created line in the sand called the “border” is a RACIST. Period.

    ===============================
    I think you’re confusing racism with nationalism. Not that I care for either, but it is worth noting.

    And about your awesome religious diversity – a) Big deal. So you believe in a bunch of different imaginary gods. b) I’ve seen some of the rhetoric thrown around by party leaders who do not approve of certain imaginary gods (i.e. Mormon, Catholic, Jewish).

    =================================
    Aparently no-one has any credibility to speak about religious freedom until their party includes a lot of vocal atheists or agnostics. Athiests and agnostics are a smal minority, and the LP has cornered all the non-corrupt ones who are interested in politics.

    The damn CA affiliate was founded to support George Wallace’s white supremacist run for the presidency! The AIP/IAP is even alleged to have been involved in the King assassination!
    ==================================
    If CPers are racists by extension because of this, then LPers are Repubicans by extension because of their founders. That pretty much negates the first part of the quote. I’ll let the rest stand as a monument to foolishness and mudslinging.

    You’re certainly right that the CP is wrong about Jefferson and the “Christian Nation” stuff, but besides that, what you say comes off as a clownish personal attack.

    Happy Holidays though!

  13. Sean Scallon Says:

    There’s not going to be merging anytime soon because it requires the establishment of a whole new party that has to get ballot access on its own cannot keep what it already has. That’s why the CCCC failed. And given that many non-major parties are ideological vehicles, there’s no way they’ll entertain a merger with an unlike party.

    But that doesn’t mean there can’t be a fusion campaign between parties like the CP and LP for a presidential camapign (what’s left of the Reform Party too) which allows the other parties to keep their ballot status. Hell, it might even help such state parties to gain ballot status with enough votes.

  14. Andy Says:

    “The CP and American First parties are American Nazi hate groups. They’re theocratic, anti-capitalist, racist parties.”

    Howard Philips, one of the founders of the Constitution Party and their Presidential candidate on 3 occassions, was born Jewish. The Constitution Party courted Allen Keyes as a potential candidate and Keyes is black. A look at their platform would illustrate that your comparing them to Nazis is greatly exaggerated.

    The Constitution Party is generally for getting government out of the market place. They do oppose NAFTA, GATT, CAFTA, the WTO, etc…, however, REAL libertarians oppose these agreements as well because they are NOT real free trade but are government managed trade for the benifit of politically connected corporations. Where I believe the Constitution Party gets it wrong on this issue is that they are in favor of using protectionist tarriffs as a way to punish foreign competition and prop up US industry. I believe that the real solution is to cut taxes and regulations and cut off foreign aid and put an end to fiat currency. Then US industry will be in a better position to compete in the international market.

    If you are going to criticize a party at least get your facts straight.

  15. Timm Knibbs Says:

    We should start to bring these parties together by all getting behind a candidate such as Ron Paul for president.

  16. paulie cannoli Says:

    Trent, I noticed that you are speaking of yourself as “we”.

    You mentioned being of Jewish origin. Are you a direct descendent of King David, first sons all the way?

    If not, you aren’t royalty, so you should probably refer to yourself in the singular person.

  17. paulie cannoli Says:

    We should start to bring these parties together by all getting behind a candidate such as Ron Paul for president.

    Yawn. why would that work any better now than in ‘88?

    I’m voting for Steve Kubby even if Ron Paul is interested, which he probably isn’t.

  18. paulie cannoli Says:

    Nick Wilson makes a lot of sense here

    http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-79299

    Roderick Long builds a more detailed case:

    http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

  19. paulie cannoli Says:

    I don’t think that a full merger should be on the table, but limited ad-hoc cooperation could be very beneficial. For example, a 2008 presidential ticket of Bob Barr and Ron Paul would be, I think, acceptable to most of the LP and CP. Or even one of those two with a moderate GP runningmate (such as Kevin Zeese). Hopefully we could be gentlemen and agree to disagree on abortion while focusing on areas more likely to gain concensus such as restoring property rights, reducing spending, and ending the war in Iraq.

    But maybe I’m too optimistic.

    If they were to do anything like that, I would certainly hope that Zeese would be at the top of the ticket.

    Both Barr and Ron Paul would be further skewing the LP in the wrong direction.

  20. paulie cannoli Says:

    UA

    Happy Holidays!

    Joyous Kwanzaa and a happy Solstice to you.

  21. paulie cannoli Says:

    Some of the LP’s founders came from the Peace and Freedom party after an internal rift within P & F was won by the socialist faction.

  22. paulie cannoli Says:

    Blown tag. 7.12 pm post was in response to matt:

    “If CPers are racists by extension because of this, then LPers are Repubicans by extension because of their founders. ”

  23. matt Says:

    True, paulie, the LP wasn’t founded solely by republicans. Not all of the Wallace voters were racists, either. My second assertion will be a little more controversial than my first, but even if it isn’t accepted, we have no good reason to paint the AIP/IAP crowd as racists based on affilliations 40 years old.

  24. Nick Wilson Says:

    Good link, Paulie. This was my favorite quote:

    “Libertarians have a good understanding of the value of private property, the effectiveness of competitive, for-profit modes of association, and the dangers of governmental forms of oppression; Greens have a good understanding of the value of the commons, the effectiveness of cooperative, non-profit modes of association, and the dangers of non-governmental forms of oppression. But each group tends to be weak where the other is strong; each group tends to see only the other group’s shortcomings, and to cling all the more firmly to its own shortcomings by way of reaction. Each group thinks – wrongly, in my view – that a concern for values from one set automatically negates concern for values from the other set.”

  25. RCAIP Says:

    RCAIP accuses me of being a Stalinist when he supports a party that wants to build a wall around the country

    =actually just put our military on our borders, a giant iron curtain isn’t necessary.

    and create “capitalism within one nation.” A whole lot like Stalin’s “communism within one nation”

    =Wrong! both are different- national capitalism still supports free enterprise, communism, especially stalinist communism, does not.

    if you ask me. What is the difference between state capitalism and state communism?

    =as before said, one still believes in free enterprise, the other does not.

    In either system, the borders are sealed and people are essentially working for the good of the state. In Stalin’s brand of pseudo-communism, the state is god. In the CP’s brand of pseudo-communism, god is the state.

    =You’re confusing the AHP with the CP, the two are different. And we do not believe in big government.

    The CP most certainly is theocratic. Read the premable of its platform. It does not believe in a separation of church and state. It believes in a revisionist history in which our nation was founded as a “Christian nation” and in which Thomas Jefferson (of all people) was a Christian. The CP is clearly not reality-based.

    =UA, How stupid do you think I am?! Read the forth paragraph!

    “The Constitution of the United States provides that “NO religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.” The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on ALL those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.”

    =You may be right that a few in the Party saw the Party as their own Theocratic tool, but after the Nevada debacle- they’re gone for good.
    Your argument holds no water.

    Look – Anyone who wants to make English the national language; build a wall around the country; stop the free flow of goods and services across the imainary, state-created line in the sand called the “border” is a RACIST. Period.

    =Wow, then the majority of Americans are indeed RACIST! Blacks, Jews, Irish, even Latinos are all racist pigs because they favor such beliefs. Even George Washington must have been a racist too!
    It’s called NATIONALISM idiot! Every country has it- even communist nations pride themselves in a fascistic manner on nationalism.

    And the CP? The damn CA affiliate was founded to support George Wallace’s white supremacist run for the presidency! The AIP/IAP is even alleged to have been involved in the King assassination!

    =Wallace was a populist, not a racist, granted he appealed to the Alabama peoples prejudices and emotions to get elected, but a few if his racist comments were fabricated by biased reporters and biographers, his ‘Segregation forever’ speech was written at the last minute by one of his campaign staffers and had to gave that speech ASAP without time to review it. He campaigned for Truman instead of Strom Thurmond back in 1948. And as Governor, removed the sloagan ‘White Supremacy’ from the Democrat Primary ballot. He mainly supported segregation because the federal government was forcing it in what the deep south thought was a ‘unconstitutional’ and toltalitarian manner.
    In the 68’ Pres. race, Wallace used the AIP as his vehicle for his presidential asperations, NOT to create a new political Party, and it was Eileen Shearer that invented the name ‘American Independent’, not Wallace. After the elections, he left and went back to the southern democratic fold and stayed there. The AIP remains standing to this day because of good leadership.
    And the current Nevada IAP was created and has only been ballot-qualified since 1992, you must be talking about a different Nevada Party.

    -My own grandfather voted for Wallace and he isn’t from the south or a racist!

    =The AIP was never involved in King’s death, if it was then the cat would’ve been out of the bag long ago and Nixon would use it to discredit us. BTW Elvis is NOT alive!

    And about your awesome religious diversity – a) Big deal. So you believe in a bunch of different imaginary gods. b) I’ve seen some of the rhetoric thrown around by party leaders who do not approve of certain imaginary gods (i.e. Mormon, Catholic, Jewish).

    =As I said, those people are gone now, they couldn’t kick out a LDS CP affiliate (Nevada), so they ran away bleeting with their tail between their legs and bitching on their chatrooms about us being “Pro-Choice” and “demonic mormonists”

    You really need to read from real history and not UC Berkeley revisionist literature.

  26. Don Wills Says:

    I doubt that the LP and the South Dakota CP will find much common ground, as the SD CP advocates a Christian theocracy! Here’s an article from their email newsletter – ***
    The Koran replaces the Bible at swearing-in oath

    Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
    American Family Association
    November 29, 2006

    Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran. He should not be allowed to do so—not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization…”

    ***
    At the end of the article, the CP exhorts its members to action –
    “Take Action
    1. Send an email asking your U.S. Representative and Senators to pass a law making the Bible the book used in the swearing-in ceremony of Representatives and Senators.”

  27. matt Says:

    I think at this point we stand or fall on whether or not we can tolerate a little wackiness from our allies. I’m a Libertarian, and I sure can. Let’s all agree on bringing the troops home in 08, campaign on that, cooperate and work it out after that.

  28. RCAIP Says:

    Yawn!

    Then why are all the theocrats leaving the CP for the AHP?

  29. Chris Says:

    IN many areas, we can and should work together.

    The pro-abortion stance of the LP is a factor that will forever keep the CP from joining the LP. ALso, the pro-gay (sorry Anarchist) stance of the LP is a dividing factor.

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