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		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-489314</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Feb 2008 15:27:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;whole life insurance scandal&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-313236</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:21:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;illegal sports betting&lt;/strong&gt;

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		<title>by: Insurance Homeowners</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-103018</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jan 2007 07:59:21 +0000</pubDate>
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	<p>Fledermaus disarming breakable shorten,Freedman Home Owner Insurence [url=http://www.homeownerinsurenceok.com/#]Home Owner Insurence[/url] <a href='http://www.homeownerinsurenceok.com/#' rel='nofollow'>http://www.homeownerinsurenceok.com/#</a></p>
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		<title>by: Chris</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-81897</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Dec 2006 13:41:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>IN many areas, we can and should work together.

The pro-abortion stance of the LP is a factor that will forever keep the CP from joining the LP. ALso, the pro-gay (sorry Anarchist) stance of the LP is a dividing factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>IN many areas, we can and should work together.</p>
	<p>The pro-abortion stance of the LP is a factor that will forever keep the CP from joining the LP. ALso, the pro-gay (sorry Anarchist) stance of the LP is a dividing factor.</p>
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		<title>by: RCAIP</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-80073</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 12:13:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Yawn!

Then why are all the theocrats leaving the CP for the AHP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yawn!</p>
	<p>Then why are all the theocrats leaving the CP for the <span class="caps">AHP</span>?</p>
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		<title>by: matt</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-80013</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I think at this point we stand or fall on whether or not we can tolerate a little wackiness from our allies. I'm a Libertarian, and I sure can. Let's all agree on bringing the troops home in 08, campaign on that, cooperate and work it out after that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I think at this point we stand or fall on whether or not we can tolerate a little wackiness from our allies. I&#8217;m a Libertarian, and I sure can. Let&#8217;s all agree on bringing the troops home in 08, campaign on that, cooperate and work it out after that.</p>
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		<title>by: Don Wills</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-79801</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 16:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I doubt that the LP and the South Dakota CP will find much common ground, as the SD CP advocates a Christian theocracy!  Here's an article from their email newsletter - 
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The Koran replaces the Bible at swearing-in oath
         Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman
         American Family Association  
         November 29, 2006 

Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran. He should not be allowed to do so -- not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization...&quot;
***
At the end of the article, the CP exhorts its members to action -

&quot;Take Action
1. Send an email asking your U.S. Representative and Senators to pass a law making the Bible the book used in the swearing-in ceremony of Representatives and Senators.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I doubt that the LP and the South Dakota CP will find much common ground, as the <span class="caps">SD CP</span> advocates a Christian theocracy!  Here&#8217;s an article from their email newsletter &#8211; ***<br />
The Koran replaces the Bible at swearing-in oath</p>
	<p>         Donald E. Wildmon, Founder and Chairman<br />
         American Family Association<br />
         November 29, 2006</p>
	<p>Keith Ellison, D-Minn., the first Muslim elected to the United States Congress, has announced that he will not take his oath of office on the Bible, but on the bible of Islam, the Koran. He should not be allowed to do so&#8212;not because of any American hostility to the Koran, but because the act undermines American civilization&#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>***<br />
At the end of the article, the CP exhorts its members to action &#8211;<br />
&#8220;Take Action<br />
1. Send an email asking your U.S. Representative and Senators to pass a law making the Bible the book used in the swearing-in ceremony of Representatives and Senators.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>by: RCAIP</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-79763</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:45:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>RCAIP accuses me of being a Stalinist when he supports a party that wants to build a wall around the country

=actually just put our military on our borders, a giant iron curtain isn't necessary.

 and create “capitalism within one nation.” A whole lot like Stalin’s “communism within one nation”

=Wrong! both are different- national capitalism still supports free enterprise, communism, especially stalinist communism, does not.

 if you ask me. What is the difference between state capitalism and state communism?

=as before said, one still believes in free enterprise, the other does not.

 In either system, the borders are sealed and people are essentially working for the good of the state. In Stalin’s brand of pseudo-communism, the state is god. In the CP’s brand of pseudo-communism, god is the state.

=You're confusing the AHP with the CP, the two are different. And we do not believe in big government.

The CP most certainly is theocratic. Read the premable of its platform. It does not believe in a separation of church and state. It believes in a revisionist history in which our nation was founded as a “Christian nation” and in which Thomas Jefferson (of all people) was a Christian. The CP is clearly not reality-based.

=UA, How stupid do you think I am?! Read the forth paragraph!

&quot;The Constitution of the United States provides that &quot;NO religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.&quot; The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on ALL those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.&quot;

=You may be right that a few in the Party saw the Party as their own Theocratic tool, but after the Nevada debacle- they're gone for good.
Your argument holds no water.

Look – Anyone who wants to make English the national language; build a wall around the country; stop the free flow of goods and services across the imainary, state-created line in the sand called the “border” is a RACIST. Period.

=Wow, then the majority of Americans are indeed RACIST! Blacks, Jews, Irish, even Latinos are all racist pigs because they favor such beliefs. Even George Washington must have been a racist too!
It's called NATIONALISM idiot! Every country has it- even communist nations pride themselves in a fascistic manner on nationalism.

And the CP? The damn CA affiliate was founded to support George Wallace’s white supremacist run for the presidency! The AIP/IAP is even alleged to have been involved in the King assassination!

=Wallace was a populist, not a racist, granted he appealed to the Alabama peoples prejudices and emotions to get elected, but a few if his racist comments were fabricated by biased reporters and biographers, his 'Segregation forever' speech was written at the last minute by one of his campaign staffers and had to gave that speech ASAP without time to review it. He campaigned for Truman instead of Strom Thurmond back in 1948. And as Governor, removed the sloagan 'White Supremacy' from the Democrat Primary ballot. He mainly supported segregation because the federal government was forcing it in what the deep south thought was a 'unconstitutional' and toltalitarian manner.
In the 68' Pres. race, Wallace used the AIP as his vehicle for his presidential asperations, NOT to create a new political Party, and it was Eileen Shearer that invented the name 'American Independent', not Wallace. After the elections, he left and went back to the southern democratic fold and stayed there. The AIP remains standing to this day because of good leadership.
And the current Nevada IAP was created and has only been ballot-qualified since 1992, you must be talking about a different Nevada Party.

-My own grandfather voted for Wallace and he isn't from the south or a racist!

=The AIP was never involved in King's death, if it was then the cat would've been out of the bag long ago and Nixon would use it to discredit us. BTW Elvis is NOT alive!

And about your awesome religious diversity – a) Big deal. So you believe in a bunch of different imaginary gods. b) I’ve seen some of the rhetoric thrown around by party leaders who do not approve of certain imaginary gods (i.e. Mormon, Catholic, Jewish).

=As I said, those people are gone now, they couldn't kick out a LDS CP affiliate (Nevada), so they ran away bleeting with their tail between their legs and bitching on their chatrooms about us being &quot;Pro-Choice&quot; and &quot;demonic mormonists&quot;

You really need to read from real history and not UC Berkeley revisionist literature.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">RCAIP</span> accuses me of being a Stalinist when he supports a party that wants to build a wall around the country</p>
	<p>=actually just put our military on our borders, a giant iron curtain isn&#8217;t necessary.</p>
	<p> and create &#8220;capitalism within one nation.&#8221; A whole lot like Stalin&#8217;s &#8220;communism within one nation&#8221;</p>
	<p>=Wrong! both are different- national capitalism still supports free enterprise, communism, especially stalinist communism, does not.</p>
	<p> if you ask me. What is the difference between state capitalism and state communism?</p>
	<p>=as before said, one still believes in free enterprise, the other does not.</p>
	<p> In either system, the borders are sealed and people are essentially working for the good of the state. In Stalin&#8217;s brand of pseudo-communism, the state is god. In the CP&#8217;s brand of pseudo-communism, god is the state.</p>
	<p>=You&#8217;re confusing the <span class="caps">AHP</span> with the CP, the two are different. And we do not believe in big government.</p>
	<p>The CP most certainly is theocratic. Read the premable of its platform. It does not believe in a separation of church and state. It believes in a revisionist history in which our nation was founded as a &#8220;Christian nation&#8221; and in which Thomas Jefferson (of all people) was a Christian. The CP is clearly not reality-based.</p>
	<p>=UA, How stupid do you think I am?! Read the forth paragraph!</p>
	<p>&#8220;The Constitution of the United States provides that &#8220;NO religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States.&#8221; The Constitution Party supports the original intent of this language. Therefore, the Constitution Party calls on <span class="caps">ALL</span> those who love liberty and value their inherent rights to join with us in the pursuit of these goals and in the restoration of these founding principles.&#8221;</p>
	<p>=You may be right that a few in the Party saw the Party as their own Theocratic tool, but after the Nevada debacle- they&#8217;re gone for good.<br />
Your argument holds no water.</p>
	<p>Look &#8211; Anyone who wants to make English the national language; build a wall around the country; stop the free flow of goods and services across the imainary, state-created line in the sand called the &#8220;border&#8221; is a <span class="caps">RACIST</span>. Period.</p>
	<p>=Wow, then the majority of Americans are indeed <span class="caps">RACIST</span>! Blacks, Jews, Irish, even Latinos are all racist pigs because they favor such beliefs. Even George Washington must have been a racist too!<br />
It&#8217;s called <span class="caps">NATIONALISM</span> idiot! Every country has it- even communist nations pride themselves in a fascistic manner on nationalism.</p>
	<p>And the CP? The damn CA affiliate was founded to support George Wallace&#8217;s white supremacist run for the presidency! The <span class="caps">AIP</span>/IAP is even alleged to have been involved in the King assassination!</p>
	<p>=Wallace was a populist, not a racist, granted he appealed to the Alabama peoples prejudices and emotions to get elected, but a few if his racist comments were fabricated by biased reporters and biographers, his &#8216;Segregation forever&#8217; speech was written at the last minute by one of his campaign staffers and had to gave that speech <span class="caps">ASAP</span> without time to review it. He campaigned for Truman instead of Strom Thurmond back in 1948. And as Governor, removed the sloagan &#8216;White Supremacy&#8217; from the Democrat Primary ballot. He mainly supported segregation because the federal government was forcing it in what the deep south thought was a &#8216;unconstitutional&#8217; and toltalitarian manner.<br />
In the 68&#8217; Pres. race, Wallace used the <span class="caps">AIP</span> as his vehicle for his presidential asperations, <span class="caps">NOT</span> to create a new political Party, and it was Eileen Shearer that invented the name &#8216;American Independent&#8217;, not Wallace. After the elections, he left and went back to the southern democratic fold and stayed there. The <span class="caps">AIP</span> remains standing to this day because of good leadership.<br />
And the current Nevada <span class="caps">IAP</span> was created and has only been ballot-qualified since 1992, you must be talking about a different Nevada Party.</p>
	<p>-My own grandfather voted for Wallace and he isn&#8217;t from the south or a racist!</p>
	<p>=The <span class="caps">AIP</span> was never involved in King&#8217;s death, if it was then the cat would&#8217;ve been out of the bag long ago and Nixon would use it to discredit us. <span class="caps">BTW </span>Elvis is <span class="caps">NOT</span> alive!</p>
	<p>And about your awesome religious diversity &#8211; a) Big deal. So you believe in a bunch of different imaginary gods. b) I&#8217;ve seen some of the rhetoric thrown around by party leaders who do not approve of certain imaginary gods (i.e. Mormon, Catholic, Jewish).</p>
	<p>=As I said, those people are gone now, they couldn&#8217;t kick out a <span class="caps">LDS CP</span> affiliate (Nevada), so they ran away bleeting with their tail between their legs and bitching on their chatrooms about us being &#8220;Pro-Choice&#8221; and &#8220;demonic mormonists&#8221;</p>
	<p>You really need to read from real history and not <span class="caps">UC </span>Berkeley revisionist literature.</p>
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		<title>by: Nick Wilson</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-79760</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Dec 2006 13:41:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Good link, Paulie. This was my favorite quote:

&quot;Libertarians have a good understanding of the value of private property, the effectiveness of competitive, for-profit modes of association, and the dangers of governmental forms of oppression; Greens have a good understanding of the value of the commons, the effectiveness of cooperative, non-profit modes of association, and the dangers of non-governmental forms of oppression. But each group tends to be weak where the other is strong; each group tends to see only the other group’s shortcomings, and to cling all the more firmly to its own shortcomings by way of reaction. Each group thinks – wrongly, in my view – that a concern for values from one set automatically negates concern for values from the other set.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Good link, Paulie. This was my favorite quote:</p>
	<p>&#8220;Libertarians have a good understanding of the value of private property, the effectiveness of competitive, for-profit modes of association, and the dangers of governmental forms of oppression; Greens have a good understanding of the value of the commons, the effectiveness of cooperative, non-profit modes of association, and the dangers of non-governmental forms of oppression. But each group tends to be weak where the other is strong; each group tends to see only the other group&#8217;s shortcomings, and to cling all the more firmly to its own shortcomings by way of reaction. Each group thinks &#8211; wrongly, in my view &#8211; that a concern for values from one set automatically negates concern for values from the other set.&#8221; </p>
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		<title>by: matt</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:34:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>True, paulie, the LP wasn't founded solely by republicans. Not all of the Wallace voters were racists, either. My second assertion will be a little more controversial than my first, but even if it isn't accepted, we have no good reason to paint the AIP/IAP crowd as racists based on affilliations 40 years old.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>True, paulie, the LP wasn&#8217;t founded solely by republicans. Not all of the Wallace voters were racists, either. My second assertion will be a little more controversial than my first, but even if it isn&#8217;t accepted, we have no good reason to paint the <span class="caps">AIP</span>/IAP crowd as racists based on affilliations 40 years old.</p>
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		<title>by: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:13:52 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>

Blown tag. 7.12 pm post was in response to matt:

&quot;If CPers are racists by extension because of this, then LPers are Repubicans by extension because of their founders. &quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Blown tag. 7.12 pm post was in response to matt:</p>
	<p>&#8220;If CPers are racists by extension because of this, then LPers are Repubicans by extension because of their founders. &#8221; </p>
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		<title>by: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:12:09 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;


Some of the LP's founders came from the Peace and Freedom party after an internal rift within P &amp;#38; F was won by the socialist faction.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
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	<p>Some of the LP&#8217;s founders came from the Peace and Freedom party after an internal rift within P &#038; F was won by the socialist faction.</i></p>
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		<title>by: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:10:47 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>UA

&lt;i&gt;Happy Holidays!&lt;/i&gt;

Joyous Kwanzaa and a happy Solstice to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>UA</p>
	<p><i>Happy Holidays!</i></p>
	<p>Joyous Kwanzaa and a happy Solstice to you.</p>
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		<title>by: paulie cannoli</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-79564</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:09:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;I don’t think that a full merger should be on the table, but limited ad-hoc cooperation could be very beneficial. For example, a 2008 presidential ticket of Bob Barr and Ron Paul would be, I think, acceptable to most of the LP and CP. Or even one of those two with a moderate GP runningmate (such as Kevin Zeese). Hopefully we could be gentlemen and agree to disagree on abortion while focusing on areas more likely to gain concensus such as restoring property rights, reducing spending, and ending the war in Iraq.

But maybe I’m too optimistic.&lt;/i&gt;

If they were to do anything like that, I would certainly hope that Zeese would be at the top of the ticket.

Both Barr and Ron Paul would be further skewing the LP in the wrong direction.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>I don&#8217;t think that a full merger should be on the table, but limited ad-hoc cooperation could be very beneficial. For example, a 2008 presidential ticket of Bob Barr and Ron Paul would be, I think, acceptable to most of the LP and CP. Or even one of those two with a moderate GP runningmate (such as Kevin Zeese). Hopefully we could be gentlemen and agree to disagree on abortion while focusing on areas more likely to gain concensus such as restoring property rights, reducing spending, and ending the war in Iraq.</p>
	<p>But maybe I&#8217;m too optimistic.</i></p>
	<p>If they were to do anything like that, I would certainly hope that Zeese would be at the top of the ticket.</p>
	<p>Both Barr and Ron Paul would be further skewing the LP in the wrong direction.</p>
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		<title>by: paulie cannoli</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Dec 2006 23:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nick Wilson makes a lot of sense here

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-79299

Roderick Long builds a more detailed case:

http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nick Wilson makes a lot of sense here</p>
	<p><a href='http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-79299' rel='nofollow'>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2006/12/19/the-lone-patriot-is-it-time-to-combine/#comment-79299</a></p>
	<p>Roderick Long builds a more detailed case:</p>
	<p><a href='http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/' rel='nofollow'>http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/</a></p>
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