Marvin Pro-Life Richardson running for US Senate in Idaho as an independent

“He ran for governor as a Constitution Party member. But he said he has left that party because it has taken compromising positions on issues like abortion and public education. ”

Full article here.

67 Responses to “Marvin Pro-Life Richardson running for US Senate in Idaho as an independent”

  1. Austin Cassidy Says:

    “I’ve just decided that for the rest of my life every two years I will go up to the top of the ballot in a statewide race (and run),” he said.

    – Hmm… sounds both expensive and not all that productive.

  2. Timothy West Says:

    good luck with that.

  3. matt Says:

    It would be nice if the CP didn’t run anyone against him. There’s no good reason to split the pro-life vote in Idaho.

  4. CaptainNeon Says:

    Unfortunately, Paul and Sue Venable have a grudge against Mr. Richardson. They actually unendorsed him when they took control of the Constitution Party of ID. If the CPID even exists in 2008, they will run some one for US Senate just out of spite.

  5. matt Says:

    Well that’s stupid.

  6. RCAIP Says:

    That’s probably because Mr. Richardson is a outspoken anti-Mormon, and the main reason why the CPID had trouble recruiting new members before because Idaho is a LDS state, not as much a Utah, but LDS are the largest religious bloc, and most of the LDS that got interested in the CP, Marvin would confront about their religious beliefs. So CP growth in Idaho was stunted at the time, plus a lot of the ex- Party officers, who were allies of Richardson, in the CPID purposely halted organizing County Committees and broke a few of the Party bylaws. The Idaho Party was a mess untill Paul Venable got elected Chair. Now the CPID is better then ever.

    Another thing, Marvin probably would run as a independent because the American Heritage Party isn’t ballot-qualified in Idaho.

  7. RCAIP Says:

    I also remember Marvin Richarson caused problems at the CP Salt Lake City meeting in 05’ when he started going into one of his anti-Mormon rants at a committee meeting and Clymer censored him.

  8. Pro-Life Says:

    I do not have time to respond at length. I will in the future. I am not anti-LDS. I was very devout LDS until the Church liberalized its
    position on baby murder. Our family resigned from the LDS Church
    because of baby murder. We still retain some LDS theology.

    The LDS Church will have to be pro-life without exception before it
    receives any respect from serious Christians. I criticize all churches
    regarding baby murder. When is the last time you heard of a pastor
    leading his congrgation out in the streets to protest these murders.
    Our family goes to busy streets every week to protest these murders. If you need a sign let me know. Heartbeat in the unborn
    starts at 15-19 days. Brain waves start at 21-25 days. I do not
    compromise on any issue.
    At every CP committee meeting I only spoke about the baby murder question, nothing else. RCAIP is not telling the truth, I do not know who this is, but he is fighting with reason and conscience. If you like your conscience to hurt over compromise join the CP or some other party. Third party politics should be about having a clean conscience.

  9. RCAIP Says:

    I do not have time to respond at length. I will in the future. I am not anti-LDS. I was very devout LDS until the Church liberalized its
    position on baby murder. Our family resigned from the LDS Church
    because of baby murder. We still retain some LDS theology.

    =Really, so- http://lds.org/newsroom/issues/answer/0,19491,6056-1-201-10-201,00.html is ProMurder? Wow, nice reasoning!

    =I’ve heard plenty from Sue Venable that speaks otherwise of your criticism of LDS. And I think your story of you leaving the Church personally sounds like Bull to me. Abortion is a last resort, and is rarely if ever given the OK in the Church. If it is, then its needed, especially if the mother’s life is in danger- but that’s a exception, so you oppose abortion even when its to save the life of the mother, do you?

    The LDS Church will have to be pro-life without exception before it
    receives any respect from serious Christians.

    =You mean ‘serious’ Christians like John Lofton and Reed Heustis. The LDS Church doesn’t need to brown-nose to get respect from a radically theocratic minority.

    I criticize all churches
    regarding baby murder. When is the last time you heard of a pastor
    leading his congregation out in the streets to protest these murders.

    =It’s been done time and again. Especially where in live in California.
    The only abortion clinic in the county I live in ALWAYS has protestors picketing outside. Personally I think working though the local and state government to stop abortion is a better tactic then picketing. And instead of banning abortion outright per-see- which really wouldn’t get you anywhere and only gives Planned Parenthood and the feminists ammo and sympathy for their cause. You instead work on various ordinances that restrict building clinics, or access to them. I commend Mississippi for passing various local and state laws over time that has nearly wiped-out abortion in the state alone.

    Our family goes to busy streets every week to protest these murders.

    =Good. But at the same time, you should be going to your town meetings and constantly bug the city council about the clinics, or work on passing craftly-worded legislation that would limit or even shut down your local clinic. If that doesn’t work, then keep trying!

    If you need a sign let me know. Heartbeat in the unborn
    starts at 15-19 days. Brain waves start at 21-25 days. I do not
    compromise on any issue.

    =So you would let the mother die if the child could not be saved, and the only way of saving the mother’s life was aborting the child?

    =Let me tell you somthing Marvin- you want to know how successful you would be to ban abortion without exceptions outright? Look at South Dakota- it was right there on the ballot, and the majority of the people VOTED it down Just because it was restrictive on exceptions the majority of South Dakotians could not support it! Now abortion is still legal and continues in South Dakota because allowing exceptions wasn’t good enough! If exceptions was included on that state law- it would’ve PASSED!
    You think the blood is on our hands?! NO! It’s on the hands of the No-Exceptionists

    At every CP committee meeting I only spoke about the baby murder question, nothing else.

    =Then why did you include the LDS Church about baby-murder at the SLC meeting?

    RCAIP is not telling the truth,

    =Sorry, I am!

    I do not know who this is, but he is fighting with reason and conscience.

    =It’s called Common-Sense, and people like Pro-Life are the REASON why abortion continues in our Country!

    =And I’m the Riverside County Chairman of the AIP.

    If you like your conscience to hurt over compromise join the CP

    =My conscience hurts when I’m so exclusive that I only help the Abortionists themselves in my ignorance and stupidity!

    or some other party. Third party politics should be about having a clean conscience.

    =I think a good number of no-exceptionists have guilt on their conscience, since they make Planned Parenthood and the Pro-Choice view look so good and successfull, that they minus well be Pro-Choicers themselves.

  10. RCAIP Says:

    Let me ask you a question Marvin-

    Do you think that the American government must do everything to stop abortion world-wide?

  11. Joe Says:

    Hundreds of physicians have testified that there is never a situation in the law or in the ethical practice of medicine where a preborn child’s life need be intentionally destroyed by procured abortion for the purpose of saving the life of the mother. A physician must do everything possible to save the lives of both of his patients, mother and child. He must never intend the death of either. President Bush opposed South Dakota’s partial ban because because it prohibited the murder of innocent unborn children who are in the womb because of rape and/or incest.

  12. RCAIP Says:

    Really Joe,

    Could you name such physicians?
    And what about situations where the mother had a serious illness, or the child had a serious illness that endangered the other or both? Or what about a seriously deformed fetus that would’ve died immediatly after birth? As rare as they are, they happen. I even had a in-law that had to have a forced abortion because her child would’ve been born serverely deformed.

    And on South Dakota- you think Bush was responsible for the ban’s defeat?! What a Load of Crap!
    Numerous polls were taken that showed the ban would’ve passed if it included exceptions!!
    If Bush had a influence the bans’ defeat, then Republicans would have kept both Houses of Congress!
    That ban was restrictive enough to cause its own defeat and because of it’s restrictiveness, abortion still goes on in South Dakota! All thanks to No-Exceptionists!

  13. Bri Says:

    RCAIP-

    Most people that I have met in the Constitution Party are rather intelligent, but you have the English skills of an illegal who learned a smattering of English by being cussed at by his English-only supervisor. If you are the best that the Riverside AIP could come up with, the CP has a short future. Maybe Chris Hansen can teach you better English, and then you might be able to finish your GED.

    The accusations of bigotry against any one that opposes a Mormon are getting a bit old. Some people are intelligent enough to realize that most political arguments have nothing to do with religion. You really need to stop waving the bloody shirt, and stop being one-note Johnny. Joseph and Hyrum Smith died over 100 years ago, and those that killed them have been in the grave almost as long. Give it a rest! You weren’t there! Perhaps the evidence set forth by the LDS is fabricated too! I seem to remember watching something about the Fancher Party on the History Channel…

    In the GOP we have our RINOs, but at least we can elect a few good people. The national CP is already compromising and they haven’t even elected anyone yet. If the CP can’t stick to principle, I’ll stay with the GOP. In over 40 years Bill Shearer and the AIP have only managed to kill off every burgeoning conservative movement that began to show promise. All for Mr. Shearer’s fragile ego! Not much of a legacy to leave behind. Talk to me about success when the American Independent Party manages to get 100%+ of their reported membership to the polls for a state-wide candidate. Otherwise, you are a bunch of deceitful liars with delusions of grandeur.

  14. RCAIP Says:

    Most people that I have met in the Constitution Party are rather intelligent, but you have the English skills of an illegal who learned a smattering of English by being cussed at by his English-only supervisor.

    =You can say that of many blogers here on TPW, Libertarians, Greens, included, you don’t like it, go back to Harvard with your Ivory Tower Maxist Professors.

    If you are the best that the Riverside AIP could come up with, the CP has a short future.

    =Then I guess people like you in Riverside County are at the bottom of the barrel!

    =Interesting how fast the New York and Ohio Parties were reorganized, interesting how the Nevada IAP and other CP state affiliates were more successfull in 2006 then in 2004.

    Maybe Chris Hansen can teach you better English, and then you might be able to finish your GED.

    I have a HS Diploma. Class of ‘03, HA!

    The accusations of bigotry against any one that opposes a Mormon are getting a bit old.

    =Really?

    =”I thought you guys were Christians? So why the distinction between your prophets and ours? Besides, if your god and our God are the same, but we don’t acknowledge the bloody prophet Smith, isn’t your god’s hand bloodier? “You will have your political victory. Good for you. It will come falling down when the Christ determins to dismantle it. I hope you are not in the rubble when it all collapses. Reformed Christians believe that you are responsible for your actions, even every idle word. You’ll have a lot to answer for in your day of destruction. I know I can’t persuade you with argument—since God has hardened your heart and mind. So I encourage others to stop trying. Acknoweldge Chris (Chris Hansen) for what he is—a son of Belial and worshiper of a demon. Pray for him, but let’s stop conversing, because Reformed Christians know conversation matters less than prayer.”

    Scott Whittman, exmember of the CP Executive Committee

    =”Some National Committee members justified their votes on the grounds of “religious liberty.” Others justified their votes on the grounds of “party growth.” Others on “states’ rights.” Others on “family loyalty.” Still others on demonic Mormonism itself. Vain imaginations. High things.”

    Reed Heustis, exmember of the CP

    =”You hit it on the head regarding your belief of a more sinister side to the whole Nevada disaffiliation.”

    -Daniel Hoyt, in a email to me.

    =I can post so many more comments from TAV and personal emails, but this is enough to prove my point.

    Some people are intelligent enough to realize that most political arguments have nothing to do with religion.

    =Not Scott Whittman, Reed Heustis, John Lofton and others on TAV and the breakaway state parties.

    You really need to stop waving the bloody shirt, and stop being one-note Johnny.

    =This Johnny here is telling the truth on the anti-Mormon, or former anti-Mormon conspiracy in the CP.

    Joseph and Hyrum Smith died over 100 years ago, and those that killed them have been in the grave almost as long. Give it a rest! You weren’t there!

    =I can understand what it was like, I’ve dealt with plenty of LDS haters in my own personal life.

    Perhaps the evidence set forth by the LDS is fabricated too!

    =Nope, I’ve done the research and past personal events in my life convinces me otherwise. If you or others think that way, fine, it’s your opinion, I could care less. Except when actions are taken to harass, supress, persecute, or do other harmful or distruptive things to Latter-Day Saints, then I don’t sit on the sidelines.

    I seem to remember watching something about the Fancher Party on the History Channel…

    =The same Party that were hostile to the people of Utah Terrority and the various Indian tribes, even poisoned a water well and did various things to anger and instigate bad vibes with the local townspeople and native americans?

    In the GOP we have our RINOs, but at least we can elect a few good people.

    =Are you GOP? If so, what are you doing here?

    The national CP is already compromising and they haven’t even elected anyone yet.

    =Oh my God! Please tell me you didn’t just say that!

    -The Nevada IAP recently elected two people to local partisan offices and another one back in 2004!

    -CP candidates have been elected to office in Wisconsin, Kentucky, Minnesota and other states over the years. Even the AIP has two people in local office currently.

    =Bri, when it comes to spelling and grammer, I’m not perfect. But you say we never elected anybody to office, you can’t even get your facts right!
    Shows how baseless your arguments are. You haven’t been reading the other previous blogs I bet. Even if you know your Olde English you don’t know a thing of History!

    If the CP can’t stick to principle, I’ll stay with the GOP.

    =Good, you stay GOP- Better to see that slime fringe element there then in the CP!

    In over 40 years Bill Shearer and the AIP have only managed to kill off every burgeoning conservative movement that began to show promise.

    =Other way around! Again you can’t get your facts right. Bill Shearer has preserved the AIP since 1968, against extremist kooks and GOP agents that tried to destory it. You can thank Thomas J. Anderson and the other radicals in the old American Party for destorying any chances of a viable national conservative third-party back then by causing the infighting and division in the AP and AIP that Bill Shearer fought against. In fact Without Bill Shearer, there would be no AIP today. Because Bill took on George Wallace- who wanted to dissolve the AIP after the 68’ elections and preserved The AIP in CA.
    Also seems that the CP is stronger then ever now. Especially if the majority of states that left already have new Constitution Parties springing up!

    All for Mr. Shearer’s fragile ego! Not much of a legacy to leave behind. Talk to me about success when the American Independent Party manages to get 100%+ of their reported membership to the polls for a state-wide candidate.

    =What about the CP affiliate in your state? Have they done better then the AIP? Do they run more candidates then the AIP? Do they run candidates? Is there a state affiliate at all?

    =Interesting how the AIP candidate for US Senate got more votes number-wise and percentage wise then CP senatorial candidate Ben Powers of Minnesota. And Ben did much to garner publicity while our candidate did not.

    =Gordon Mego got 8% of the vote, or 8,343 in the 35th Congressional District this November when there is only 3,636 AIP registered voters in his Congressional District.

    =Better yet, Jim Gilchrist got 25% of the vote in his 2005 campaign for Congress, or 23,237 votes in the 48th Congressional District when there’s less then 8,000 registered AIP voters in that District alone!

    -You’re an idiot to talk to anyways.

    Otherwise, you are a bunch of deceitful liars with delusions of grandeur.

    =Sorry, you must have mistaken us for the people on The American View.

  15. RCAIP Says:

    Austin, could you do something about those lines again please?

  16. Joe Says:

    John Damiani, D.O., Michigan
    Eugene F. Diamond, M.D., Illinois
    Brian W. Donnelly, M.D., Pennsylvania
    Judith L. Jacobus, M.D., Pennsylvania
    Edwin J. Liebner, M.D., Illinois

    There are 475 more but I don’t want to take up so much space by listing them all.

  17. RCAIP Says:

    Found a good article on, as it is scientifically called ‘Therapeutic abortion’....

    http://www.emedicine.com/med/topic3311.htm

    -So are you saying that these doctors oppose Therapeutic Abortion? If so, do they have statements?

    If they do, post the links here Joe.

  18. Joe Says:

    Yes, they do oppose so-called “therapeutic abortion”:

    http://www.all.org/article.php?id=10682

  19. Bri Says:

    RCAIP-

    I keep over-estimating you! I thought it was obvious that when I stated “national” CP that I meant a national CP targeted race. All of the races you mentioned were candidates that did not receive any assistance from the national party, and many of them did not proclaim any membership or affiliation with the CP in their campaign. You and the CP only claim them after they win.

    Please tell me more about how Mr. Powers of Minnesota worked to garner more publicity than Dr. Grundmann. It is my understanding that the good doctor had run for US Senate in 2004 as well. That would need to be taken into account as well since he continued his run for 2006. Over two years of active campaigning. It is also my understanding that your nemesis, Reed Heustis, was the crafter of Dr. Grundmann’s excellent and informative website.

    Again, you chose to side-step the issue and talk about one Congressional race and not about your state-wide membership claims vs. voter turn-out. Voter turn-out for a candidate like Mr. Mego should be typical of a state party that has as long of a history as the AIP.

    I believe that Mr. Powers claims a 500% voter turn-out in a state-wide race in a party without ballot access and a 10 year history. The AIP had a voter turn-out for Dr. Grundmann of 22% of its membership despite instant ballot access and a 40 year history. To equal Mr. Powers’ results, Dr. Grundmann and the AIP would have to have had 1.75 million votes. I would have settled for 350,000+. Even if Dr. Grundmann could transfer his 75,000+ votes to Mr. Powers, the CPMN would have fallen short of Minnesota’s 5% necessary to obtain and retain ballot access.

    I am rather confused about the national CP’s targeted races choices in 2006. By the criteria set forth by the national CP, Mr. Powers’ race should have been an immediate choice as a US Senate candidate running for an open seat. Perhaps, Randy Stufflebeam of IL could have gotten ballot access for the CPIL had the national CP given him a little assistance early-on in the campaign.

    Looks to me that the national CP squandered two excellent opportunities to get two more ballot-qualified affiliates. Both appeared to be well-organised campaigns with good candidates running against weak Republicans. Both had well-designed and well-articulated opinions. I was fortunate to listen to a few of their radio interviews, and both struck me as well-informed and articulate.

    Your claims of an anti-Mormon conspiracy in the CP are absurd! You point out two instances of people that oppose Mormonism and extrapolate that as an anti-Mormon conspiracy? Were all 41 national committemembers that voted to disaffiliate the IAPNV part of this anti-Mormon cabal? I kind of doubt it! From what I have read from your cheering and jeering on this forum, it appears that the only conspiracy afoot is to transform the Constitution Party into a Mormons only party.

  20. paulie cannoli Says:

    When you are referring to the AIP membership, I hope you don’t mean regsitered American Independent voters.

    The vast majority of those think they are actually non-partisan – technically, Decline to State in California – and have checked the American Independent box by mistake.

    I’ve watched plenty of people do it while registering voters. I ask them if they are familiar with the AIP, what it stands for, or that it is a party. Some people decide to fill out a new form at that point, thanking me for pointing out the mistake, and others say “Oh well I already filled it out, I don’t feel like taking another 30 seconds to fill out a new one, besides, who cares what party I register with”.

    If the AIP wants to claim all those folks as “members”, LOL - you know as well as I do it’s not true.

  21. Bri Says:

    Precisely the point I am making, Mr. Cannoli. The national CP actually claims that the AIPCA and IAPNV have these unaffiliated voters as bonafide members.

    It’s all about Bill Shearer and Chris Hansen’s bloated and fragile egos. They are so myopic in California and Nevada that they actually believe that all other states in the Union have state-sponsored voter registration. Right off the top of my head, since RCAIP has been ripping on Ben Powers of Minnesota and the CP-Arkansas is the latest affiliate to leave national, neither Minnesota nor Arkansas have party registration when registering to vote.

    All voters in Minnesota and Arkansas are classified as non-partisan. It is actually the job of the Republican Party to keep track of who her own members are. It hasn’t been delegated to the State yet, unlike Nevada and California where even insignificant fools like the AIPCA and IAPNV rely on the state to count their members for them.

    When reality sets in among the members of the CP National Committee, one would hope that they realize they’ve made a monumental mistake in chasing off the growing and active affiliates in Ohio, Maryland, and all of the other states for these two self-absorbed dinosaurs. We Republicans can’t help but laugh at the foolishness of the national CP and its leadership.

    I can’t help but chuckle when I hear about the new affiliates that are “springing up”. My guess is that they are little more than paper affiliates. Little more than the CP of IA. Gregg Moeller is a one man show down there, but he’s OK since he’s a buddy of Bill Shearer and Chris Hansen.

    The smartest thing any currently affiliated party can do is leave those fools in Nevada and California to their own devices and rejoin under a new banner. Nothing wrong with the old US Taxpayers’ Party name, IMHO.

  22. Trent Hill Says:

    Um,neither the AIPCA or IAPNV claim their actual voter registration. The National CP recognizes (rightfully) that they have the largest voter registratino of any third party. This is accurate.
    However, they also recognize that in 2004, they recieved 140,000 votes nationwide. This is indicative of their nationwide support. (Although it is not neccesarily an exact number).
    People are more willing to vote for CP candidates for smaller offices. As we’ve seen in lots of Senate races, Congress races, governor’s races.
    As for Bri, the AHP is a tiny piece of what the CP is. Furthermore, what success you can count right now, is because of CP leadership, CP funds, and the CP legacy. If you survive until 2012, you will have accomplished sometihng.
    Understand something Bri, anyone can LEAVE a party. And start their own. You said you had such support at the National Meeting, and from local members, you should have been able to initiate change WITHIN the CP, as opposed to bolting. Instead of destroying 12 years of hard work and Conservatism, you could have used…oh i dunno….political genius? To subvert the opinions of the leadership you detest so much. Politics is all about getting long with people whom you disagree with. (Look at ANY party. Within the REP, you have the RLC, and then you have RINO’s.
    Within the DEM, you have Blue-dog and Yellow-dog.
    Within the Libertarian Party you have anything from Reaganists to Anarchists.
    And within the CP you STILL have Exceptionists, and non-exceptionists. You have Protectionists, and non-protectionists.

    If you people could get over yourselves, you’d see that fracturing the party isn’t really productive. Even if you think No-Exception Abortion is the litmus test of Conservatism, there are many more issues to consider. Such as Capitalism, High Taxes, Tarriffs, Gay marriage, Ballot Access, Medical Marijuana, Foreign Policy, and Affirmative Action. Stop pretending you own the moral high ground here. It was/is a DISAGREEMENT.

  23. RCAIP Says:

    =Thanks for the link.

    =I notice that American Life League is Catholic run. They’re even opposed to Birth Control, including the pill, on their website. I bet those doctors are members, or sympatheizers of ALL.

    -I don’t have a problem with Catholics at all, but I do personally disagree with them on reproduction.

  24. matt Says:

    In the words of Ms. Sinead O’Connor as she tore up a photo of the Pope…

    ...FIGHT THE REAL ENEMY

    And I don’t mean Catholics, either, I’m talking about the R’s and D’s who are pro-abortion and pro-war.

  25. Joe Says:

    All chemical contraceptives on the market are abortificient.

  26. RCAIP Says:

    RCAIP-

    I keep over-estimating you! I thought it was obvious that when I stated “national” CP that I meant a national CP targeted race. All of the races you mentioned were candidates that did not receive any assistance from the national party, and many of them did not proclaim any membership or affiliation with the CP in their campaign. You and the CP only claim them after they win.

    =You said-”...and they haven’t even elected anyone yet.” Please don’t cover up your stupidity. And Rick Jore, while not with the national Party, was endorse by such.

    Please tell me more about how Mr. Powers of Minnesota worked to garner more publicity than Dr. Grundmann.

    =You think that Ben did nothing, or the ‘Powers Pit Crew’ did nothing? I do believe he did the best he could, but Don, whom I did not hear or know if he did anything, still got a higher percentage then Ben.

    It is my understanding that the good doctor had run for US Senate in 2004 as well. That would need to be taken into account as well since he continued his run for 2006.

    =And unfortunately he did not get as many votes as he did in ‘04.

    Over two years of active campaigning. It is also my understanding that your nemesis, Reed Heustis, was the crafter of Dr. Grundmann’s excellent and informative website.

    =I knew that. And I wonder why Don’s wesbite was not updated until too late from 2004?

    Again, you chose to side-step the issue and talk about one Congressional race and not about your state-wide membership claims vs. voter turn-out. Voter turn-out for a candidate like Mr. Mego should be typical of a state party that has as long of a history as the AIP.

    =So what? You think every candidate get as many votes as his party’s reg. voters? A lot of California Democrats voted for Arnold instead of Phil Angelides, especially with half of Cali’s 6 Million Democrats didn’t vote for him. Even back in 1964, more Republicans voted for Johnson then they did for Goldwater. Besides, California is as bad as Mass. I acknowledge there is very little chance of electing a AIP to state office. But the same can be said of Minnesota.

    I believe that Mr. Powers claims a 500% voter turn-out in a state-wide race in a party without ballot access and a 10 year history.

    =Then that’s sad, more people should be registered as CP in Minnesota. Maybe if they change their name to something like us, they would have registered voters in the 5 or even 6 digits. And the AIP has never had a problem with ballot access.

    The AIP had a voter turn-out for Dr. Grundmann of 22% of its membership despite instant ballot access and a 40 year history.

    =A long, turbulent history.

    To equal Mr. Powers’ results, Dr. Grundmann and the AIP would have to have had 1.75 million votes. I would have settled for 350,000+.

    =Very few CP candidates, or even third-party candidates get 350,000+ you have very high expectations.

    Even if Dr. Grundmann could transfer his 75,000+ votes to Mr. Powers, the CPMN would have fallen short of Minnesota’s 5% necessary to obtain and retain ballot access.

    =Too bad.

    I am rather confused about the national CP’s targeted races choices in 2006. By the criteria set forth by the national CP, Mr. Powers’ race should have been an immediate choice as a US Senate candidate running for an open seat.

    =Wasn’t he listed and endorsed by the national CP? I believe the CP forcused on Starett and Jore because of publicity and name-recognition.

    Perhaps, Randy Stufflebeam of IL could have gotten ballot access for the CPIL had the national CP given him a little assistance early-on in the campaign.

    =Obviously you don’t understand the different state ballot-access laws. And the CP doesn’t have millions to spare.

    Looks to me that the national CP squandered two excellent opportunities to get two more ballot-qualified affiliates. Both appeared to be well-organised campaigns with good candidates running against weak Republicans. Both had well-designed and well-articulated opinions. I was fortunate to listen to a few of their radio interviews, and both struck me as well-informed and articulate.

    =You’re talking about Ban and Randy? Hahaha! I think Ben could’ve gotten more votes, but not 5% and you also forget the presence of the Minnesota Independence Party. Randy didn’t make it on the ballot, but he got nearly 20,000 write in votes, that’s impressive. The Utah CP didn’t get ballot-qualified in 2004, yet they collected the signatures and rebounded.

    Your claims of an anti-Mormon conspiracy in the CP are absurd! You point out two instances of people that oppose Mormonism and extrapolate that as an anti-Mormon conspiracy?

    =You’re right. How about these-

    http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=933

    http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=896

    http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1093

    Were all 41 national committemembers that voted to disaffiliate the IAPNV part of this anti-Mormon cabal?

    =Not all where, some voted for the abortion issue solely, others voted with their state parties, some were even LDS themselves who were pressured to vote in favor of.

    I kind of doubt it!

    =But a good slice of the 41 were.

    From what I have read from your cheering and jeering on this forum, it appears that the only conspiracy afoot is to transform the Constitution Party into a Mormons only party.

    =Even if there was ever a attempt to do so, I myself would oppose it.
    It would be a violation of Doctrine & Covenants 134.

    =To sum up LDS in the CP; if the CP was the Galactic Republic from Star Wars, then we LDS are the Jedi.

  27. RCAIP Says:

    Precisely the point I am making, Mr. Cannoli. The national CP actually claims that the AIPCA and IAPNV have these unaffiliated voters as bonafide members.

    =The majority of Nevada IAP’ers vote IAP, however.

    It’s all about Bill Shearer and Chris Hansen’s bloated and fragile egos.

    =Chris, particular brought IAP voter reg. from 15,000 to 43,000 in 4 years ran more candidates and elected 3 people to different offices.

    They are so myopic in California and Nevada that they actually believe that all other states in the Union have state-sponsored voter registration. Right off the top of my head, since RCAIP has been ripping on Ben Powers of Minnesota and the CP-Arkansas is the latest affiliate to leave national, neither Minnesota nor Arkansas have party registration when registering to vote.

    =Arkansas was nearly dead, even before it broke off. Bri is kicking a dead dog.
    =Chris is right about Nevada. Especially since 197,000 people voted for his brother who was the IAP candidate for state supreme court in 2004.

    All voters in Minnesota and Arkansas are classified as non-partisan. It is actually the job of the Republican Party to keep track of who her own members are. It hasn’t been delegated to the State yet, unlike Nevada and California where even insignificant fools like the AIPCA and IAPNV rely on the state to count their members for them.

    =Since so many are reg. in the Party. Yet the state parties back east can only count theirs with the fingers on their hands.

    When reality sets in among the members of the CP National Committee, one would hope that they realize they’ve made a monumental mistake in chasing off the growing and active affiliates in Ohio, Maryland, and all of the other states for these two self-absorbed dinosaurs.

    =Ohio and New York were nothing and got nothing done. Maryland could only run a write-in candidate. The new parties will do better. The Illinois CP used to be the same until Angela and her friends ran off.

    We Republicans can’t help but laugh at the foolishness of the national CP and its leadership.

    =We Constitutionalist can only laugh at the GOP for falling down big time in the November elections.

    I can’t help but chuckle when I hear about the new affiliates that are “springing up”. My guess is that they are little more than paper affiliates. Little more than the CP of IA. Gregg Moeller is a one man show down there, but he’s OK since he’s a buddy of Bill Shearer and Chris Hansen.

    =The New NYCP already had a state convention that was attended by a good number of people.

    The smartest thing any currently affiliated party can do is leave those fools in Nevada and California to their own devices and rejoin under a new banner. Nothing wrong with the old US Taxpayers’ Party name, IMHO.

    =Give it a year and Bri will be sticking both feet in his mouth, as he already has one foot in! The only thing this fool can do is stay GOP!

  28. Bri Says:

    Umm…

    Trent, I’m a Republican. I have no incentive to leave the GOP for the zoo and ineffectiveness of the CP. I’m not an AHP member, either. Call me an interested political scientist. More Constitutionalists in the GOP in just one state than the entire memberships of the CP, IAP, AFP, Reform Party, and Libertarian Party combined.

    RCAIP, I’m a girl. Bri is short for Brianna. Hurt your fragile ego to be outsmarted and outclassed by a female? Had a hard time choosing between Islam and Mormonism when you were “converting”? Both are religions based on an after-life where women are the sexual slaves of men for eternity. Let’s just say that that’s not MY idea of Heaven.

  29. Trent Hill Says:

    Ummm…..

    Bri, dont care about your political alignment. You are speaking in favor of the AHP, so I lumped you in with their lot. Furthermore, you are one to speak of principle, being a member of the most corrupt party in U.S. politics.
    Do us a favor, email your favorite Republican Congressman, make sure he isn’t touching his aides inappropriately,ohk?
    Or maybe, check his pockets for illegal funds?

    Furthermore, the fact that your a girl does not in any way change the arguement. It simply lends credance to the old-schoolers who believe Women shouldn’t be in politics. (Not that I believe that personally. But you haven’t the slightest idea what your talknig about.)
    The Constitutionalists in the REP might outweigh the Constitutionists in the CP, Lib, or Reform. But they’ll never get back into power.
    In the CP, they are.
    In the LIB, they are.
    In the Reform…i dont know. The leadership has changed so often, im scared to comment. But I would doubt it.

  30. Bri Says:

    Hasn’t the argument been might is right? The GOP is bigger. Might as well stay there. You argue that any one can leave a party and start their own. Sounds like the CP to me!

    While I have met some very intelligent people in the CP, a lot of them are just plain lazy and are so disorganized that they need instructions, a committee, and permission to sneeze. I’ve only met a few people in the CP that have the gumption to go out and pass out literature. Most just sit on their bums and complain about the Republicans. It’s almost like they want to be marginalized!

    My experience with many people holding leadership positions in the CP is that they left the GOP because they didn’t get elected to some position they wanted. County Chairman or platform committee, whatever. They then leave for the CP with no experience and no skills in running candidates or a party yet they proudly tout their titles as state party chairman, state central committee member, platform chairman, or you name it. Most CP state party chairs aren’t even equipped to be a local precinct chair in the GOP!

    You paint all Republicans with your negative brush, but it begs the question. What about Ron Paul? Is he a corrupt politician? He was elected and continues to be elected as a Republican. Why doesn’t he go back to the Libertarian Party or join the CP? What about Tom Tancredo? Why did Jim Gilchrist return to the Republican Party after running as a CP Congressional candidate? Are you saying that these guys are corrupt? They were elected as Republicans and continue to be Republicans. Without them, the CP and the LP would have no one promoting a conservative agenda in Congress. Since we’ve been talking about Minnesota so much, what about Michelle Bachmann? Is she corrupt? Why didn’t she run as a CP or LP?

    It’s obvious that the leadership in the CP is more interested in holding titles and holding meetings than actually electing good candidates. As long as the current crop of fools and egotistical infantile maniacs continue to control the CP, there is no reason for anyone to leave the Republican Party.

    Why waste your effort on a losing race if he isn’t any different than the Republican he’s running against? Mr. Richardson is right. Third party politics are about principle. Without it, one might just as well get a few good people elected with the Republican’s money and experience. The CP has neither.

  31. matt Says:

    Without it, one might just as well get a few good people elected with the Republican’s money and experience. The CP has neither.
    ==============================
    Good luck getting the RNC to spend one thin dime on the campaign of anyone vaguely principled or honest. At least 3rd party people aren’t in it for the money.

  32. paulie cannoli Says:

    Bri,

    What about Ron Paul? Is he a corrupt politician?

    Not to my knowledge. But he is dead wrong about immigration.

    He was elected and continues to be elected as a Republican. Why doesn’t he go back to the Libertarian Party or join the CP?

    Ron Paul is still a member of the Libertarian Party and participates regularly in Libertarian events. But you may be right – he may be a better fit with the Constitution Party. I prefer Libertarian candaidates who don’t make the public confuse us with conservatives, like Steve Kubby.

    What about Tom Tancredo? Why did Jim Gilchrist return to the Republican Party after running as a CP Congressional candidate? Are you saying that these guys are corrupt? They were elected as Republicans and continue to be Republicans. Without them, the CP and the LP would have no one promoting a conservative agenda in Congress.

    I don’t have any evidence that they are, or are not, corrupt. What I do know is that libertarians are not interested in promoting a conservative agenda in Congress or anywhere else.

    Well, some self-styled libertarians are, but then I don’t really consider them libertarians. I’m not a conservative; I’m not interested in promoting the anti-liberty “conservative agenda”

    This explains the difference

    http://mises.org/story/2099

    Tancredo and Gilchrist are best known for taking an anti-libertarian position on a leading issue. I’m sure they take many other anti-liberty positions, too.

    Therefore, since we have our own unique ideological position, we have our own party.

    However, you do have a point about competence levels and inactivism is third parties. That needs to change.

  33. Trent Hill Says:

    The GOP is bigger, so why leave?
    If we followed your logic, we’d all be British. Crumpets?

    And while I thoroughly believe in Mr. Ron Paul, Mr. Tom Tancredo, and Mr. Jim Gilchrist. They are dual-supportive of both the CP and GOP. And Ron Paul is supportive of the CP, the LP, and the GOP (Specifically the Republican Liberty Caucus). They are doing what they can to support the infrastructure of the LP/CP while still fighting the noble cause to hold onto the GOP. However, Ron Paul and Tom Tancredo are Congressman, and thats as high as any honest politician will get anymore.

  34. Bri Says:

    Trent insinuated that ALL Republican members of Congress were pilfering lechers, and I offered three that CP members often praise as being the good guys. Your points, Mr. Cannoli, are well-taken. We can disagree about issues and be principled about them. That is what third parties should be about. I really have no quarrels with Libertarians. Most that I have met are principled, rugged individualists that can offer logical arguments for their opinions. I may disagree, but at least the logic is sound and I can respect that.

    The current Constitution Party leadership has adopted a mindset more in-line with the GOP. Promote yourself as one thing, and then do another. Why would any one leave the GOP for the CP when the CP has no principles? It is just as foolish as arguing about San Francisco 49ers vs. the Oakland Raiders. It’s simple brand loyalty.

    From what I have seen and read about the CP this past year, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit that if George W. Bush were to join the Constitution Party they wouldn’t praise the defection and outline what a wonderful guy he is.

    The CP wasted gobs of money campaigning against Orrin Hatch. I bet if there was even a whisper in the wind that Hatch was considering joining the CP, Bill Shearer and Chris Hansen would be campaigning heavily to get him to be their Presidential candidate. Same holds true for Mitt Romney. The CP isn’t about principles any more, if it ever was. I have a lot more respect for the former CP affiliates that left over the abortion issue than those that stay and talk about “getting practical.”

  35. paulie cannoli Says:

    Ms. Bri,

    This is was posted on the Karl Hess Club site by Thomas Sipos. See if you agree…
    ——————————————-

    The Five Families of the GOP

    A guide to the various camps in the GOP:

    (1) Neocons. The real power in the driver’s seat. They want war & empire, and they’re getting it. They like big government and deficit spending. Very pro-Israel. Includes some Big Oil interests.

    (2) Moderates. What some call RINOs or Country Club. They also include some Big Oil interests, but moderates want cooperation with other nations.

    (3) Social Conservatives. Very opposed to abortion and gay marriage. Very pro-Israel. They have no power and get only a symbolic bone now and then. So the GOP made much noise over Terry Schiavo? Big deal.

    (4) Libertarians. The GOP is screwing them big time. Libertarians want peace, foreign non-intervention, civil liberties, and less government spending, but they’re not even getting the occassional symbolic bone. At most, they get empty rhetoric.

    (5) Traditionalists. Aka Paleo-Conservatives. Many voted for Perot or Buchanan. Some care about abortion, but many do not. They’re mainly concerned about national sovereignty and America First. Hence, they oppose foreign wars, foreign aid, immigration, and free trade. The GOP screws them most of all. They don’t even get rhetoric.

    posted by Thomas M. Sipos
    —————————————————————————————————
    It would seem that some Traditionalists and Social Consrvatives go over to the Constitution Party, if they are not getting much for their efforts in the Republican Party.

    Would you agree or disagree?

  36. RCAIP Says:

    RCAIP, I’m a girl. Bri is short for Brianna. Hurt your fragile ego to be outsmarted and outclassed by a female?

    =I could really give a s**t. My wife is a big fan of Xena and Wonder Woman and loves to go out to the shooting range, which we did on our first date. I have a lot of strong independent females in my family. I’m used to your types, why be so concerned and obsessive about being superior to another regardless of race or gender? I guess that makes you ignorant, since you first stated that we never elected anyone to office before in your first post.

    Had a hard time choosing between Islam and Mormonism when you were “converting”?

    =Nope! The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was my formost choice. Islam never entered my mind.

    Both are religions based on an after-life where women are the sexual slaves of men for eternity. Let’s just say that that’s not MY idea of Heaven.

    =Obviously you think we’re like that Colorado City sect. I Don’t think so. You don’t want to be LDS- that’s your choice, its called Free Agency, which is a strong LDS belief.
    God doesn’t always have a say in your life.
    And personally, I’m a libertarian on Church & State issues.

  37. RCAIP Says:

    Hasn’t the argument been might is right? The GOP is bigger. Might as well stay there. You argue that any one can leave a party and start their own. Sounds like the CP to me!

    =The GOP got punched big time in the gut last November, and a lot of conservatives were and are still bolting. The CP hasn’t caught all of their attention yet, but give it time.
    And remember how the GOP started, they were themselves a third-party.
    In eventual time the GOP may go the way of the Whig Party- doesn’t look like it now but the future is uncertain.

    While I have met some very intelligent people in the CP, a lot of them are just plain lazy and are so disorganized that they need instructions, a committee, and permission to sneeze.

    =You are half-right on that, a lot of Party members do little, Peroutka wasn’t on the ballot in Wisconsin because the CP state Chair screwed up on the petitioning. What the CP, and I think every Party needs is good leadership and funding. Even Reed Heustis didn’t do squat for the AIP, just whined and moaned online.
    I’ve held rallies and got my local newspaper to do a few articles on us, however.

    I’ve only met a few people in the CP that have the gumption to go out and pass out literature. Most just sit on their bums and complain about the Republicans. It’s almost like they want to be marginalized!

    =I also notice that the majority of conservatives do not go out and protest or are actively involved in Politics as liberals are. I’ve had problems like that with people I’ve worked with. It’s also a problem with other third-parties too.
    But Nevada is another story.

    My experience with many people holding leadership positions in the CP is that they left the GOP because they didn’t get elected to some position they wanted.

    =Actually that sounds more like a few past candidates we had. The same could be said about George Wallace- George didn’t want the AIP to last after 1968.

    County Chairman or platform committee, whatever. They then leave for the CP with no experience and no skills in running candidates or a party yet they proudly tout their titles as state party chairman, state central committee member, platform chairman, or you name it.

    =Only true in a few cases.

    Most CP state party chairs aren’t even equipped to be a local precinct chair in the GOP!

    =Since the GOP is a major Party, they are and have the luxury to be EXTREMELY picky on who is a leader or local precinct chair. Der! I wouldn’t be surprised if only those with a major income/ college degree or high contributor to the Party can be a major leader in it.

    You paint all Republicans with your negative brush, but it begs the question. What about Ron Paul? Is he a corrupt politician?

    =Nope, he’s a exception. Not all politicians are bad- just the majority of them are!

    He was elected and continues to be elected as a Republican. Why doesn’t he go back to the Libertarian Party or join the CP?

    =Probably because it’s the only way for him to get elected and if he went TP, he probably would lose his seat in a Congressional Committee that he is a member of. It’s the same reason why Southern Democrats wouldn’t bolt to the AIP after 1968, because they were in high-ranking, important positions of power that they would lose if they left their party.
    And Ron ran for President for the LP in 1988 and got 431,750 votes.

    What about Tom Tancredo?

    =Only a matter of time.

    Why did Jim Gilchrist return to the Republican Party after running as a CP Congressional candidate?

    =I’m wondering the same thing! Guess Jim was too much of a loose cannon.

    Are you saying that these guys are corrupt? They were elected as Republicans and continue to be Republicans. Without them, the CP and the LP would have no one promoting a conservative agenda in Congress. Since we’ve been talking about Minnesota so much, what about Michelle Bachmann? Is she corrupt? Why didn’t she run as a CP or LP?

    It’s obvious that the leadership in the CP is more interested in holding titles and holding meetings than actually electing good candidates. As long as the current crop of fools and egotistical infantile maniacs continue to control the CP, there is no reason for anyone to leave the Republican Party.

    =The named maniacs are already gone. Many have bolted to the AHP.

    Why waste your effort on a losing race if he isn’t any different than the Republican he’s running against? Mr. Richardson is right. Third party politics are about principle.

    =CP candidates are always way more to the Right then GOP candidates, even the practical ones that are not Bible-thumpers!

    =Question is, what kind of principle? Principles are not absolute!
    Just because one compromises, or one is willing to compromise in order to achieve a goal does not make one unprincipled. As long as it is done in restrained moderation, is it Ok to compromise, even for those of Principle.
    Hello?! Our US Constitution is based on compromise!
    Plus being a purist in politics would really not get you anywhere. A thirdparty politician or activist cannot get anything done with a “My way or the highway!” attitude.

    Without it, one might just as well get a few good people elected with the Republican’s money and experience.

    =Can you say the same of the Nevada IAP’s officeholders?

  38. RCAIP Says:

    Trent insinuated that ALL Republican members of Congress were pilfering lechers, and I offered three that CP members often praise as being the good guys. Your points, Mr. Cannoli, are well-taken. We can disagree about issues and be principled about them. That is what third parties should be about. I really have no quarrels with Libertarians. Most that I have met are principled, rugged individualists that can offer logical arguments for their opinions. I may disagree, but at least the logic is sound and I can respect that.

    =Then why aren’t you a Libertarian?

    The current Constitution Party leadership has adopted a mindset more in-line with the GOP. Promote yourself as one thing, and then do another. Why would any one leave the GOP for the CP when the CP has no principles? It is just as foolish as arguing about San Francisco 49ers vs. the Oakland Raiders. It’s simple brand loyalty.

    =Because the CP is the best anti-establishment, constitutionally-oriented Party in America. (I know the LP’ers will disagree with me here).
    The GOP is all about the Almighty Dollar over the Will of the People.

    From what I have seen and read about the CP this past year, it wouldn’t surprise me one bit that if George W. Bush were to join the Constitution Party they wouldn’t praise the defection and outline what a wonderful guy he is.

    =HAHAHAHAHA! And pigs could fly! Nice reasoning Brianna.
    The CP is pretty anti-Bush. They even favor impeaching him, but you probably didn’t know that.

    The CP wasted gobs of money campaigning against Orrin Hatch.

    =Nope, CP campaign funding went mainly to Randy, Mary Starett, and candidates with publicity and manpower. Utah was not the sole target.

    I bet if there was even a whisper in the wind that Hatch was considering joining the CP, Bill Shearer and Chris Hansen would be campaigning heavily to get him to be their Presidential candidate. Same holds true for Mitt Romney.

    =Chris believes Hatch is a Gadianton Robber, same view with Mitt. Talk to him about what he really thinks of the politicians of his faith.
    I respect Mitt’s personal character, but I would not vote for him. In fact if I was a GOP convention delegate in 1964, I would vote for Barry Goldwater over George W. Romney.
    Bill would find such a notion of Hatch joining the CP very funny.

    The CP isn’t about principles any more, if it ever was. I have a lot more respect for the former CP affiliates that left over the abortion issue than those that stay and talk about “getting practical.”

    =So Brianna, you told me before that you don’t like faiths that seek to have women in slavery in the afterlife, yet you have respect and show support for the breakaway CP faction that is so theocratic in thinking that some favor abolishing the 19th Amendment and supressing a woman’s role in public!

    http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=171

    http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=389

    http://www.theamericanview.com/forums/showthread.php?t=414

    =Now I’m not saying that Marvin or every ex-CP’er is necessarily among this train of thought. But apparently you go for people that want women barefoot and pregnant only.
    Brianna, either you’re naive and ignorant, or you’re a Theocrat masquerading as a mild-mannered GOP’er that has petty issues with the CP.

    =You want to know how successful it is to be Purist on abortion? Look at South Dakota!

    -And FYI, The LDS Church supports the role of women as equals to men and also fought for Women Sufferage, even Utah was one of the first states to allow women the right to vote.

  39. RCAIP Says:

    “(5) Traditionalists. Aka Paleo-Conservatives. Many voted for Perot or Buchanan. Some care about abortion, but many do not. They’re mainly concerned about national sovereignty and America First. Hence, they oppose foreign wars, foreign aid, immigration, and free trade. The GOP screws them most of all. They don’t even get rhetoric.”

    =That’s me

  40. Joe Says:

    I am a member of the Constitution Party of New York. In 2005 we got Tim Sherman on the ballot as a Constitution Party candidate for town council in the town of Westport. He was elected and is currently serving the second year of his three year term.

  41. RCAIP Says:

    Matt,

    I am not anti-Catholic, I respect them. Even if Catholics were the ones being targeted in the CP for explusion and LDS were being left alone, I still would stand up for the Catholics.

    In fact if there was ever a move to kick Catholics out, the CP plank of Foreign Policy would probably be brought up as a excuse, due to Catholics supporting the Pope and the Vatican (a foreign power they would protray it as), as the Sanctity of Life plank was brought up against the LDS, notibly the Hansen family. However even that will never happen now:)

    But I strongly disagree with their views on birth control. However I still would work with them politically and see them as friends, I wouldn’t butt heads with them on those issues we disagree on.

    -If only people like Scott Whiteman and John Lofton were tolerant enough to work with other Christians to restore our nation.

    I also find it interesting that a lot of the Catholics in the CP didn’t vote for Nevada’s disaffiliation, despite the abortion issue. I’m sure some did vote for disaffiliation, but not a lot.

    You know, I have to say I think the best thing for the CP to do on the exceptions issue is not favor exceptions-but simply don’t address it. Simply be Neutral on it.
    Being against basic abortion and favoring overturning Roe v. Wade is being Pro-Life enough. I think the Constitution Party needs to understand that.
    Being purist on the abortion issue only makes the Pro-Choicers look good.

  42. RCAIP Says:

    Good chance he will be re-elected Joe?

  43. RCAIP Says:

    Would you need some salt for your foot, Brianna?

    I’m sure it’ll start tasting funny after being in your mouth for awhile.

  44. Joe Says:

    I do not believe in “chance” but I am not aware of any reason that Tim Sherman couldn’t be reelected if he decides to run again, or be elected to higher office if he decides to try that. He has even indicated that he may be able to convince others to run on the Constitution Party of New York’s line.

    The Constitution Party’s life plank currently includes, “As to matters of rape and incest, it is unconscionable to take the life of an innocent child for the crimes of his father.” Cody are you advocating that line be removed from the platform? Tim indicated to me that he agrees with that line and the rest of the life plank.

  45. RCAIP Says:

    Perhaps, or simply reworded it, to where it sounds more sensible.

    What about Life of the Mother, Joe?

  46. Joe Says:

    The current wording sounds pretty sensible to me. I was on the platform committee at Valley Forge in 2004 and voted for it in committee and in convention. I do not recall anyone proposing that language be changed in any way.

    What do you mean, what about the life of the mother? I already indicated that there is never a situation in the law or in the ethical practice of medicine where a preborn child’s life need be intentionally destroyed by procured abortion for the purpose of saving the life of the mother.

  47. RCAIP Says:

    Honestly why can’t the folks on TAV stop having their hissy fits and tamper tantrums about the CP and go to work organizing the AHP?

    You don’t like what the CP has become, then that’s your problem!
    We really don’t care what the theocrats think. We’re focusing on campaigning and electing candidate(s) to office, like in Nevada.

    Isn’t the NYCP now the Christian Liberty Party?

  48. RCAIP Says:

    “What do you mean, what about the life of the mother? I already indicated that there is never a situation in the law or in the ethical practice of medicine where a preborn child’s life need be intentionally destroyed by procured abortion for the purpose of saving the life of the mother.”

    -And I also indicated that is NOT true, just like you think women shouldn’t hold office or vote.
    And the platform may get a bit of a ‘makeover” done at our next convention- Go ahead and post that on TAV.

  49. Joe Says:

    What hissy fit are you talking about? If you reread my posts here you will see that my comments were not critical of the Constitution Party. I spoke up to disagree that abortion should be permissible to protect the life and health of the mother. I also pointed out that all chemical contraceptives on the market are abortificient. I am actually defending the current life plank of the Constitution Party – which is opposed to birth control as well as abortion in the cases of rape and incest. The Constitution Party of New York has not joined the American Heritage Party nor any Christian Liberty Party.

  50. tim sherman Says:

    The Bible touches on the wrong in taking the life of the unborn. Through out the bible, love of your fellow man and god is continually taught. The only time i believe the taking of the babies life could be justified, would be in the delivery or operating room and a condition comes up where either the mother or the baby is going to die (one of them is going to have the privilage to meet the lord), a situation where you have a few minutes for the family to tell the doctor who they want to remain on this earth and who will meet their creater.

    The main issue which i find grabs everyone is the eroding of our constition into this new age living document. Where the political winds allow the taking off our freedoms, where the meaning of it’s words change with the weather, and no one remembers the ammendment process. Our instant society wants instant change. If you can get people away from TV (the great diversion and programer) you can get them to listen, take a step back, and get some of the big picture.
    We at the CP need to be patient we need to run and win in local elections. Locals are inexpensive and can be easily won. Get on the ballot under two or three parties. Campaign on the issues that the parties you are running under have in common, and explain why you are primarily a CP candidate. With people in local office we then have the eye and ear of the public. Letters to the editor get more attention. The budget process can give us another center of attention (cutting taxes is almost always a popular move). We need to all the time remember politics is give and take you lose some battles but your views are heard and can spread.
    One step at a time.

  51. tim sherman Says:

    I am at work so i cannot talk. We do not need to squable about details. Leave that to the Dem. Thay had a cake walk in the last election. All they said was “We oppose the war in Iraq”. They did say they would pull all the troops out, they didn’t run on the other issues, just iraq. They will self destruct as they deal or not deal with what will be on their plate.

  52. Bri Says:

    RCAIP-

    Ask your friend Gary Odom about the Key Races Committee and who were chosen as key races. There is a process in the Constitution Party, and that is what I was commenting on. Your ignorance of the workings of your own party is astounding. A national key race has never been elected to office. This is where the national party puts their time, money, and effort. You can call me an ignorant woman, but I read what you have written and it is obvious that you choose to either ignore statements when you are wrong or just scream louder. You remind me of my three year old niece.

  53. Gene Henley Says:

    I`ve read commentary about”a lot of Catholics “and the vote of them concerning Nevada and disaffiliation.

    I took no poll about Roman Catholics and their votes. I`ll give mine.
    I am four square against any deliberate abortion for any reason whatsoever!
    I voted for the disaffiliation of New York. I`d do it again if necessary.
    I am intransigent. I will npt compromise no matterwhat reasons are brought forth to violate my conscience.
    The Constitution Party has violated honour. I cannot support them.
    I voted to disaffiliate those state parties that stay with the Constitution
    Party. That party is not mine. Mine is the Constitution Party of New York.
    Gene Henley
    Roman Catholic

  54. Gene Henley Says:

    I`ve read commentary about”a lot of Catholics “and the vote of them concerning Nevada and disaffiliation.

    I took no poll about Roman Catholics and their votes. I`ll give mine.
    I am four square against any deliberate abortion for any reason whatsoever!
    I voted for the disaffiliation of New York. I`d do it again if necessary.
    I am intransigent. I will npt compromise no matterwhat reasons are brought forth to violate my conscience.
    The Constitution Party has violated honour. I cannot support them.
    I voted to disaffiliate those state parties that stay with the Constitution
    Party. That party is not mine. Mine is the Constitution Party of New York.
    Gene Henley
    Roman Catholic

  55. matt Says:

    I don’t know what kinds of Christians are in the CP, but they’ve all agreed to fight like Baptists, I guess.

  56. Trent Hill Says:

    Gene Henley,

    The fact that you are unwilling to WORK with people who are also trying to limit abortions is pretty ignorant. Both you and Chris Hanson are attempting to VASTLY limit abortions. Furthermore,if you’re ever going to change ANYONE’s mind on the issue of abortion, opening a dialogue is important.

  57. RCAIP Says:

    What hissy fit are you talking about? If you reread my posts here you will see that my comments were not critical of the Constitution Party.

    =Yes, in fact kudos to you for being civilized in dialoge, but I check out TAV every now and then and it seems that very few can’t get over the Constitution Party and have given their entire focus on bashing the CP rather then get over it and focus on building the AHP or their rogue state affiliate.

    I spoke up to disagree that abortion should be permissible to protect the life and health of the mother.

    =And I disagree on your take. There are plenty of circumstances, including tubal pregnancy.

    I also pointed out that all chemical contraceptives on the market are abortificient. I am actually defending the current life plank of the Constitution Party – which is opposed to birth control as well as abortion in the cases of rape and incest.

    =Also note that the same Plank says-

    “...No government may legalize the taking of the unalienable right to life WITHOUT JUSTIFICATION…”

    =And even Chris Hansen agrees with the Life Plank.

    The Constitution Party of New York has not joined the American Heritage Party nor any Christian Liberty Party.

    =Why not?

    http://christianheritageparty.net/

    -They seem to fit your profile.

  58. RCAIP Says:

    “The only time i believe the taking of the babies life could be justified, would be in the delivery or operating room and a condition comes up where either the mother or the baby is going to die (one of them is going to have the privilage to meet the lord)”

    -On that matter I totally agree.

    However on the cases of rape or incest, while I think abortion should be allowed, HOWEVER, I think it should go though a legal and medical stepby-step process before the abortion could be performed. Each instance of a unwanted pregnancy caused by rape or incest also should be judged on a case by case basis.

    -Basically, yes I am in favor of exceptions, BUT I do not agree that it should be automatically allowed unless its a situation that Tim cited. On those rare exceptions it must be regulated medically and even legally under the circumstances.

  59. RCAIP Says:

    Ask your friend Gary Odom about the Key Races Committee and who were chosen as key races. There is a process in the Constitution Party, and that is what I was commenting on. Your ignorance of the workings of your own party is astounding.

    =That process is usually done behind closed doors and Gary is not one to divulge confidential information. And I am not on the national committee. I am only involved actively with my state party. However I do check up on the national Party to see whats going on.

    A national key race has never been elected to office. This is where the national party puts their time, money, and effort.

    =I think there was effort on the part to help elect Rick Jore. Plus those candidates that are the key races do get a good amount of votes. Mary did pretty good in Oregon. Randy Stufflebeam got nearly 20,000 write-in votes, more then any write-in candidate in the history of Illinois- don’t you read the TPW posts?

    You can call me an ignorant woman, but I read what you have written and it is obvious that you choose to either ignore statements when you are wrong or just scream louder. You remind me of my three year old niece.

    =Actually I call you a hypocritical women, since you support those that want to take away a woman’s right to vote. And you can’t respond to my accurate accusations on anti-LDS hysteria with many of the ex-CP’ers. Or even to your own inaccurate information on AIP history, or our opposition to Bush and those the likes of Orin Hatch- you are completely misinformed.
    You think you’re a big girl? Well you’re the one you fits your description of your niece.

    Please use a pacifier, ma’am.

  60. RCAIP Says:

    Sorry to hear that Gene. That’s your choice.

  61. RCAIP Says:

    Dang lines!

  62. RRHeustisJr Says:

    Message for Bri:

    Bri, please contact me privately via email. I have a couple of questions for you. Thanks so much. Happy New Year of our Lord.

  63. RCAIP Says:

    Marvin…

    I’m still waiting for your answer to my question .

  64. Joe Says:

    Human life begins at the moment of fertilization. Contraceptives cause chemical abortions after fertilization. Yet the so-called pro-life forces in South Dakota last year embraced these drugs to accommodate the destruction of those lives formed via the sins of their fathers. They were trying to put an end to surgical abortion when the time for surgical abortion is all but near obsolete.

  65. Cody Quirk Says:

    Whether you like it or not Joe,

    The reason why the SD abortion ban failed was because it was too strict in language. It would’ve passed if it included all exceptions.

  66. Cody Quirk Says:

    After all, Reed Heustis and your friends were going for the ban.

    I was too, but I wasn’t crazy about it.

  67. Information Portal Says:

    Who will win the battle

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