Comments on: Brad’s Interview with Potter & Perdue http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/ Sun, 07 Sep 2008 16:42:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-102029 Mon, 29 Jan 2007 01:15:00 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-102029 How is Jefferson in Calvin's debt? That was ONLY one quote on Jefferson about Calvin, there are plenty others. How is Jefferson in Calvin’s debt?

That was ONLY one quote on Jefferson about Calvin, there are plenty others.

]]> by: matt http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99949 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:32:54 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99949 Oddly enough, Jefferson is in Calvin's debt philosophically. I'm glad both of them existed. Oddly enough, Jefferson is in Calvin’s debt philosophically. I’m glad both of them existed.

]]> by: matt http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99946 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 18:31:56 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99946 Calvin caught a lot of crap, and some of it's pretty reasonable. I certainly wouldn't have wanted to live in Geneva back when he was running it, but as a thinker and an advancer of equal rights, he was without peer in his day. Did you know Calvin's Geneva was the first place in Christendom where spousal abuse was a prosecutable crime? Calvin caught a lot of crap, and some of it’s pretty reasonable. I certainly wouldn’t have wanted to live in Geneva back when he was running it, but as a thinker and an advancer of equal rights, he was without peer in his day. Did you know Calvin’s Geneva was the first place in Christendom where spousal abuse was a prosecutable crime?

]]> by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99063 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:52:57 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99063 *Anyway *Anyway

]]> by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99062 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:50:00 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99062 Thank God! for some strange reason, I couldn't post yesterday. Any I have a quote from Mr. Jefferson himself: "His [Calvin's] religion was demonism. If ever a man worshiped a false god, he did. The being described in his five points is ... a demon of malignant spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all, than to blaspheme him by the atrocious, attributes of Calvin." -- Thomas Jefferson, Works, 1829 edition, vol. 4, p. 322 Thank God! for some strange reason, I couldn’t post yesterday.

Any I have a quote from Mr. Jefferson himself:

“His [Calvin’s] religion was demonism. If ever a man worshiped a false god, he did. The being described in his five points is … a demon of malignant spirit. It would be more pardonable to believe in no God at all, than to blaspheme him by the atrocious, attributes of Calvin.”
—Thomas Jefferson, Works, 1829 edition, vol. 4, p. 322

]]> by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99060 Thu, 25 Jan 2007 00:45:02 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-99060 Testing... Testing…

]]> by: Trent Hill http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98120 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 17:53:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98120 "The CP is “socialist” in the same way that the current regime in China is “communist.” I agree that the words’ meaning have been perverted, but not nearly to the extent that calling Jefferson a “conservative” is perverse." UA, The words meaning has not been perverted, the way it is USED has been. And the way YOU'RE using it, is perverse and incorrect. Just because you are an anarcho-capitalist does not mean the CP is socialist. You see, it isnt a "comparitive" term, its definite. COMPARED TO YOU, you may consider the CP to be a socialist regime for their protectionist ideas. However, considering their massive government cutting and tax slashing issues, it's hard to see your point. That might be because your point is...well...intellectually bankrupt. “The CP is “socialist” in the same way that the current regime in China is “communist.” I agree that the words’ meaning have been perverted, but not nearly to the extent that calling Jefferson a “conservative” is perverse.”

UA,
The words meaning has not been perverted, the way it is USED has been. And the way YOU’RE using it, is perverse and incorrect. Just because you are an anarcho-capitalist does not mean the CP is socialist. You see, it isnt a “comparitive” term, its definite. COMPARED TO YOU, you may consider the CP to be a socialist regime for their protectionist ideas. However, considering their massive government cutting and tax slashing issues, it’s hard to see your point. That might be because your point is…well…intellectually bankrupt.

]]> by: General Lee http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98080 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 16:33:44 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98080 Back then, you could not exactly openly advocate atheism or even deism and retain your position is society, or even likely your life and liberty either. Jefferson, who published an edited version of the Bible, came as close to crossing the line as you could in those days - bear in mind that the individual states still had official state Churches then, and there had been witch burnings in America not too long before, as well as an active inquisition still going on in Europe. Wikipedia: "The Spanish Inquisition continued in the Americas until Mexican Independence and was not abolished in Europe until 1834." Back then, you could not exactly openly advocate atheism or even deism and retain your position is society, or even likely your life and liberty either.

Jefferson, who published an edited version of the Bible, came as close to crossing the line as you could in those days – bear in mind that the individual states still had official state Churches then, and there had been witch burnings in America not too long before, as well as an active inquisition still going on in Europe.

Wikipedia:

“The Spanish Inquisition continued in the Americas until Mexican Independence and was not abolished in Europe until 1834.”

]]> by: Joe http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98039 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:54:44 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98039 In his biography of Thomas Jefferson, historian William Sterne Randall argued that, other than his advocacy of religious toleration Jefferson's religious views were quite conventional compared to most of his contemporaries. Randall attributed claims of Jefferson's deism and atheism to the polemics of his Federalist opponents. And keep in mind that Jefferson was a life-long Anglican vestryman and the Church of England remains doctrinely Calvinist to this day. In his biography of Thomas Jefferson, historian William Sterne Randall argued that, other than his advocacy of religious toleration Jefferson’s religious views were quite conventional compared to most of his contemporaries. Randall attributed claims of Jefferson’s deism and atheism to the polemics of his Federalist opponents. And keep in mind that Jefferson was a life-long Anglican vestryman and the Church of England remains doctrinely Calvinist to this day.

]]> by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98034 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:42:45 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98034 UA, obviously your level of ignorance matches with that of a Red-Neck/KKK member. And Jefferson was a Deist, not a athiest. And he was more anti-Calvinist then anti-Christian. UA, obviously your level of ignorance matches with that of a Red-Neck/KKK member.

And Jefferson was a Deist, not a athiest. And he was more anti-Calvinist then anti-Christian.

]]> by: undercover_anarchist http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98018 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:04:01 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98018 The CP is "socialist" in the same way that the current regime in China is "communist." I agree that the words' meaning have been perverted, but not nearly to the extent that calling Jefferson a "conservative" is perverse. Both China and the CP want a centrally-controlled economy in which goods are smacked with punitive tarrifs and the free movement of labor is restricted by literal and figurative walls. The CP is “socialist” in the same way that the current regime in China is “communist.” I agree that the words’ meaning have been perverted, but not nearly to the extent that calling Jefferson a “conservative” is perverse.

Both China and the CP want a centrally-controlled economy in which goods are smacked with punitive tarrifs and the free movement of labor is restricted by literal and figurative walls.

]]> by: undercover_anarchist http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98016 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 14:01:41 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-98016 "Centralized" government is in no way a liberal idea. What do you call the opponents of Communism within a Communist regime? LIBERALS. Jefferson was also an anti-theocrat, a secularist, and most likely an atheist. He despised the Christian religion and literally coined the phrase "separation of church and state." That's all to the good. On the negative side, he was a slave rapist. My guess is that you have the good/bad switched around, or deny it all as delusional would-be Mullahs like yourself are prone to do. “Centralized” government is in no way a liberal idea. What do you call the opponents of Communism within a Communist regime? LIBERALS.

Jefferson was also an anti-theocrat, a secularist, and most likely an atheist. He despised the Christian religion and literally coined the phrase “separation of church and state.”

That’s all to the good.

On the negative side, he was a slave rapist.

My guess is that you have the good/bad switched around, or deny it all as delusional would-be Mullahs like yourself are prone to do.

]]> by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-97779 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 04:36:19 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-97779 William and Ray sound very well-intentioned, Unfortunate that they broke with the CP. Does the JRP have a Party Platform or is it based on the old Democratic-Republican Party? William and Ray sound very well-intentioned, Unfortunate that they broke with the CP.

Does the JRP have a Party Platform or is it based on the old Democratic-Republican Party?

]]> by: Trent Hill http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-97764 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:48:18 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-97764 William, perhaps you could meet with some CP officials to discuss a meger or some sort of intiative cooperation plan? I dunno,im tossing out ideas. UA, Im so sad to see you've returned. Oh well. I have no problem with dismembering each of your arguements. Thomas Jefferson was a Classical Liberal. As in, anti-monarchy. However, the INCREDIBLY decentralized government he advocated is supported by current day Conservatism. The CP is not at all Socialist. This statement shows your lack of schooling on such subjects. William, perhaps you could meet with some CP officials to discuss a meger or some sort of intiative cooperation plan? I dunno,im tossing out ideas.

UA,
Im so sad to see you’ve returned. Oh well. I have no problem with dismembering each of your arguements. Thomas Jefferson was a Classical Liberal. As in, anti-monarchy. However, the INCREDIBLY decentralized government he advocated is supported by current day Conservatism.
The CP is not at all Socialist. This statement shows your lack of schooling on such subjects.

]]> by: William Potter http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-97748 Tue, 23 Jan 2007 03:08:22 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/01/22/brads-interview-with-potter-perdue/#comment-97748 We would absolutely endorse a CP Candidate if we didn't didn't have a candidate in the race. We are currently attempting to put together a working coalition with the CP, Arkansas. I wouldn't mind at all if every Pro-Freedom/Pro-Individual Rights party came together under a big umbrella to do battle with the RepDem Machine. William Potter Jefferson Republican Party, Alabama We would absolutely endorse a CP Candidate if we didn’t didn’t have a candidate in the race.
We are currently attempting to put together a working coalition with the CP, Arkansas.
I wouldn’t mind at all if every Pro-Freedom/Pro-Individual Rights party came together under a big umbrella to do battle with the RepDem Machine.
William Potter
Jefferson Republican Party, Alabama

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