Comments on: Ralph Nader film and open debates

by: Howard

Tue, 25 Dec 2007 14:02:53 +0000

I loved An Unreasonable Man, but was frustrated, as usual with the film and Nader not even mentioning Instant Runoff Voting which I feel is the single most important measure for third parties to gain any ground. Why is this issue and the flaws of the plurality system not the central focus of Nader's campaigns? It makes no sense. I hope you'll check out my post at Instant Runoff Voting Excluded: An Unreasonable Omission from An Unreasonable Man where I talk more about this issue.

by: matt

Mon, 05 Feb 2007 18:30:32 +0000

Fewer and more secretive firing squads at least. That or else a citizenry that finds being stolen from charming and enjoyable.

by: Trent Hill

Mon, 05 Feb 2007 15:30:06 +0000

In that case Cutty Sark, I will agree with you on this issue.

I once read a beautiful quote concerning communism.

“A Communist is a person who has read Karl Marx. A Capitalist is someone who understands Karl Marx.” -Reagan

Im actually not sure if Phil Sawyer is a communist or avowed socialist. To me, Socialism is communism without the firing squad though.

by: Cutty Sark

Mon, 05 Feb 2007 06:55:46 +0000

I’m not even close to being a Republican and I hate Bush (shaved is better), but nice try.

When I say commies are stupid, I mean followers not leaders. And I don’t mean they are book-dumb. Some of them are very well read. But they have this glaring ability to ignore something so obvious it’s pretty much pressing against their face.

by: Trent Hill

Mon, 05 Feb 2007 05:04:51 +0000

Cutty Sark. Im going to guess you are a “ProtestWarrior” type republican. One of the ones that will defend Bush to the very end,simply bcuz you are bipartisan hacks. One of those people who thinks the ACLU is simply EVIL.
As for Communists being “stupid”. That is simply not true. Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels were brilliant men who created a fantastic idea. Unfortunately, I don’t find that that idea can actually be put into practice effectively. On paper, it looks decent (at least to some. Not me really.)

by: matt

Mon, 05 Feb 2007 04:03:35 +0000

Probably, but hey, I used to listen to Rush Limbaugh. Anything’s possible.

by: Cutty Sark

Sun, 04 Feb 2007 21:18:32 +0000

Well, have fun. Ignoring over a hundred million people killed by Communists takes a monumental amount of ignorance that may just be beyond the powers of logical discourse and persuasion.

But I guess there’s lots of ex-commies out there so anything’s possible.

by: matt

Sun, 04 Feb 2007 19:11:40 +0000

btw, Phil,

I’m not saying you’re a ‘total clown’ either. You make a lot of good points, although your communism kick IS pretty out of hand.

by: matt

Sun, 04 Feb 2007 18:59:57 +0000

One of my guiding presuppositions is that human dignity demands that everyone, even total clowns, be taken at face value. For example, I respond to UA and Dondero, who contribute nothing and don’t appear to be too open to new ideas. When I was in jr. high, I was a republican and I had some pretty illogical positions too, but people argued me out of them. Ten years later, I thank the people who mocked and cajoled and argued me towards reason.

by: Cutty Sark

Sun, 04 Feb 2007 11:13:19 +0000

Matt,

Why are you trying to argue logic and facts with an avowed communist?

Next thing you know, he will be telling you that this

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0674076087

is all lies and bullshit, and Fidel Castro’s Cuba is a great place to live.
Or maybe North Korea, or something.

“Phil Sawyer” – who said I was your friend?

by: matt

Sun, 04 Feb 2007 07:19:29 +0000

Phil,

Did you read my link? The author seems quite comfortable bearing a burden of proof. He cites sources from across the political spectrum on the subject of Mr. Nader’s stock portfolio and the shakedown techniques he uses to enrich himself. This man has a paper trail so long and dirty that no single Karl Rove type could have fabricated it. Don’t take any of this on my authority. Don’t even take it on the author of the article’s authority. Look up the source documents.Investigating someone you intend to support is always a worthwhile investment.

by: Phil Sawyer

Sun, 04 Feb 2007 05:42:28 +0000

“Cutty Sark”: There you go again, my friend. You are mistaking “facts” for ad hominem argument – a serious error of debate and logic. Unless you are referring to someone named Mr. “Nadir” (as you spelled it). In that case, since I do not know of whom you write, I will happily put the whole thing on a shelf. Actually, I plan to do that anyway. The burden of the proof is upon those who make such terrible false witness (those who forgot all about the Ten Commandments, I guess). It is not worth a passing thought; if I respond no more to this slander about Ralph Nader, it is only because I have already stated my position and there is no necessity for me (or anyone else) to wallow in the mire of Karl Rovian dirty politics. No necessity and no excuse, actually.

by: Cutty Sark

Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:26:53 +0000

Andy,

It’s all about the booth and sharing some throat. And some spit in the eye in the end.

by: Cutty Sark

Sun, 04 Feb 2007 04:22:59 +0000

Of course Nadir’s a con man. I thought everyone already knew that?

Phil can just ignore the facts since he’s obviously unable to dispute them.

by: Andy

Sat, 03 Feb 2007 19:58:50 +0000

“undercover_anarchist Says:

February 2nd, 2007 at 3:42 pm
Not only will I share a room with a racist, I will also share my saliva with his eye and my booth with his throat.

Here is the secret truth: The “Constitution” and “Libertarian” parties are thinly vieled white supremacist hate groups; the CP’s veil so thin it barely exists. The Greens are an almost literally retarded, literally Marxist bunch of left-wing authoritarians. Given the choices, I would rather vote Republican or Democrat.”

Wow, this might be the most irrational post ever from undercover_anarchist.