Gene Chapman refuted

Gary Odom, a distinguishable person who has served the Constitution Party, and the California American Independent Party, has been the brunt of baseless slander from detractors and ex-members of the Constitution Party, and recently has had the most outrageous guile yet leveled at him…

Currently, a far-out radical ‘Libertarian’ by the name of Gene Chapman first asserted that he tried contacting the Constitution Party to endorse him for president and failing to get a reply from the CP, even though there is more then one way to contact the CP personally, and if not the national office via email or phone, then the various state-party Chairmen. Did Gene first try using all means to contact the Party, even the State Chairman where he lives? And did Gary Odom ever hear from Gene before?

“After I finally learned of the existence of Mr. Chapman I told him he was calling an 800 number that does not even come to my office and that nobody who I talked to ever recalled hearing from him.”

Now Gene, who believes in abolishing the death penalty and replacing it with a policy of removal of all or some of the body parts of criminals involved with violent crimes and releasing such a person back into society when healed, is having his temper-tantrum because the Constitution Party hasn’t ‘responded’ to his attempts at communication. Even if the CP knew of such a person trying to contact them, I wouldn’t blame them for not responding, if that was the case.

“Constitution Party, you would be wise not to pick up the phone when he calls you. I’m not sure what the LP is thinking by inviting this clown to debates.”

Gary, however, has been the one with a cool head about this:

“I don’t mean Mr. Chapman any disrespect, but there is little which has given us in the Constitution Party any knowledge that “he exists.” We invite all to join with us, but why does he believe we would have any great reason to court his candidacy for President of the United States?”

So Gene says Gary has been the one attacking him when Mr. Chapman is the one on the verbal offensive.

“Also, I’m seeing that I’m getting attacked for not attending the National Meeting of the Constitution Party by the “Field Director” (?) at the Third Party Watch blog, a meeting I knew nothing about, as no one in the party communicated with me or my people from about five contact attempts that we made.”

Really? Gene knew nothing about the meeting and yet there was a notice for it clearly posted on the front page of the CP website before. Gene not only cannot contact anyone in the Party, but he even cannot see any meeting notices on the CP website! I thought he eagerly wanted to get in touch with the Party through thick or thin. Yet he probably did not join the CP emailing list either, where he could’ve received notice of the meeting beforehand.

Gary Odom maintained his mannerly posture:

“Mr. Chapman:

For heaven sakes, I was not “attacking” you by my comments on Third Party Watch. I just said that I had never heard from you (or of you, for that matter). We do get a number of people contacting us through our website, who we have never heard of, who say that they want to run for President. How many serious candidates for President do you suppose would attempt to contact us in that manner?

If you were interested in the Constitution Party nomination and you didn’t know about the National Committee Meeting in Concord, New Hampshire, December 1 and 2, you could not have been trying very hard to follow what is going on in our party. The event was plastered all over our national website for a couple of months. If you did not know about this meeting how serious can you expect to be taken as a candidate for our party’s nomination?”

And quite a odd remark from Gene Chapman about the CP, previously:

“Well, I’m on all kinds of news letters for the Constitution Party now, and they have invited me to the April CP meeting in Idaho, as well.”

That’s odd, I don’t see anything on the Constitution Party’s website about Gene Chapman. Trust me, I looked! And by ‘they’, he means Gary Odom himself, who politely invited him to the upcoming Boise, Idaho meeting. A bit of exaggeration, by all means.

And like the recent TPW article on Gene. Someone just doesn’t know how to properly seek a endorsement from a political party, literally.

“I answered that and then I saw that there was still something about me “attacking” him on his site and I sent him a message indicating that I really didn’t appreciate it and he sent me a brief message saying he had been away from his computer or something of that nature.

I thought all was warm and cuddly and then I turn to TPW and see all this nonsense and based on Mr. Chapman’s comments above, I guess it was ok for him to lambaste the Constitution Party on his website and in TPW for not paying any attention to him, but not for me to respond that with the simple explanation that I’d never heard of the guy. The whole thing is totally ludicrous.”

Gene Chapman, a serious candidate for President?

“Gene Chapman attempted to light himself on fire in front of the IRS building next to a truck with a leaky propane tank. Chapman also went on two “death fasts” related to his tax-protester nonsense (and curiously he gained weight during both fasts). He also chats with underage girls on the internet, brags about having an IQ of 98, and has created a “Libertarian Breeding Program” where libertarian woman would get pregnant every nine months in order to “out-breed” Democrats and Republicans (Gene Chapman has selflessly volunteered to be the father of the brood).”

Bloggers are not amused by Gene…

“Just so you know you will not have my vote at the nominating convention. You claim to have been bad mouthed at the last meeting. I was there and your name was never mentioned. I cannot support someone that I do not trust.”

  • * * *

“Sorry Chapman,
You’re both stupid and scary.
I’d rather write in Micky Mouse.”

Unfortunately, another major road block for Chapman to clear in order to become a viably recognized Libertarian/Constitutionalist candidate would be to address his current mental condition and anti-psychotic medication use.

In this matter, I confidentially take the side of Gary Odom, whom I’m sure could even have easily contacted the CP with one arm tied behind his back.

I cannot support, or even recommend that the national Constitution Party, and other political parties, back such a candidate as Gene Chapman, who personally, and maybe mentally, is unfit for the Presidency of the United States and even for the endorsement to run for the office of U.S. President.

96 Responses to “Gene Chapman refuted”

  1. Trent Hill Says:

    Well written Cody. A passionate defense of a very GOOD man (Gary Odom).

  2. Cody Quirk Says:

    Thank U :)

  3. Anthony Distler Says:

    I now figured out why people like Gene Chapman and Robert Milnes decided to run “fusion campaigns”. It’s because their politics are beyond any political party, and they want attention.

    There’s a reason why I’m giving my support to a major party candidate this year. It’s because I haven’t found one from the third parties that either fit my thoughts and beliefs (Kubby, Phillies) or are…well, sane (Chapman, Milnes, Bowles)

  4. Tony Soprano Says:

    Gene Chapman? Fuggedaboutit.

    http://lastfreevoice.com/2007/01/16/allen-hacker-to-be-professor-at-gene-chapman-university/

    Click on the internal links to learn everything you ever wanted to know about
    crazy Gene, and then some.

    Oofa!

  5. Gary Odom Says:

    Cody, I appreciate the kind words, but now let’s let this subject drop. This is a pretty silly to story to begin with and it deserves no more headlines.

    I think ANYBODY who actually wants the job of President in this day and age may be crazy! But God bless everyone willing to try.

  6. Jason C. Says:

    I agree. Mr. Chapman has had his 15 minutes. Class is back in session now. The whole thing was really pointless.

    Jason C.

  7. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    DonLake@sbcglobal.net:

    How ever valid or invalid Mister Chapman’s aledged expericences may have been, the script precisly mirrors our attempts to deal with the CP’s Abused Veterans Committee in the last eight months.

    We FINALLY got an email notice of their web site, minus a link age to our blog*.

    • www.calvets.blogspot.com

    In California [American Indpendent Party], current state chair Edward Noonan and past United States Senate candidate Donald Grundman are some of the West Coast Non Democan or Non Republicrat activists whom “Get It” on 21st Century American Veterans Abuse…..

  8. Trent Hill Says:

    Calvets, that was me that sent you that email. I had heard you complaining about it before,so I figured I would be proactive and solve the problem.

  9. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    The problem remains,
    especially as all six
    talking points have
    nothing to do with
    abused veterans…..

    If you sent the email
    then the Committee
    remains 100%
    uncommunicative…...

  10. Cutty Sark Says:

    Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[y]:

    About to relieve,
    I find a woman’s panties
    Lying on the floor.

    Bush going for bush.
    He goes deeper and deeper.
    Bush finds only bush.

    Foreskin retracted,
    I relieve at the White House
    To make a statement.

    I looked around town.
    I saw a woman who passed me.
    Man, she’s got some ass!

    Tried to cut a fart,
    But then I felt something weird.
    I shit on myself!

  11. gene chapman Says:

    Where did anyone ever get the idea that I chatted with underaged girls online? I pay for my time at $0.20 per minute at truckstop computers because I don’t like owning a computer (IRS and FBI likes to haul it off whenever they want), and I don’t even have time to chatt with party leaders online, much less any girls, even adult.

    What this shows me is a lack of integrity in those posting these attacks. They accuse me of being things I’ve never been just for the sake of ridicule, like this Tom Byrant, whom I had to ban from my own comments section last evening.

    CP leadership has put out an olive branch, so I’m all at “peace” with the CP now. Don’t interpret this as weakness, just willingness to be at “peace” when asked.

  12. Anthony Distler Says:

    Did you still offer a Libetarian breeding program? Did you still threaten to set yourself on fire? Whether or not you chatted with underage girls, you still have to atone for all of this other craziness.

  13. Tom Kovach Says:

    All members of Citizens for a Better Veterans Home,

    Please read my reply to these continued claims that the Constitution Party does not reply to communications. (Even communications about one topic, posted on a page about a different topic, as the above accusation is.)

    My reply is on this page of Third Party Watch.
    http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/02/22/national-veterans-coalition-launches-website/

    Continued complaints about a non-reply, after a reply has been duly given, do not help the credibility of your cause.

    Tom Kovach
    Director of Operations
    National Veterans Coalition
    www.nvets.org
    “We’ll defend it still…”

  14. Chris Campbell Says:

    The Constitution Party, the 3rd largest political Party in the United States of America, has for sometime been concerned with the usurpation of power by the Federal Government. We also have been concerned with the Real Id Act of 2005, a Division B of an act of the United States Congress entitled Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Tsunami Relief, 2005, Pub. L. No. 109-13, 119 Stat. 231 (May 11, 2005).

    This Act, set to take Effect on May 11, 2008, would:
    -impose undue financial costs on the State of North Carolina
    -take from the State of North Carolina powers left previously only to it, of the issuance of drivers’ licenses
    -place a citizens personal information on a card that could be used for criminal gain, with the possibility of financial and medical information. This card would be swiped through readable technology, instead of the traditional method of police interview.
    -Be used for possible checkpoints throughout the United States.
    As Congressman Ron Paul (R-Tx) has said:
    This legislation gives authority to the Secretary of Homeland Security to expand required information on driver’s licenses, potentially including such biometric information as retina scans, finger prints, DNA information, and even Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) radio tracking technology. Including such technology as RFID would mean that the federal government, as well as the governments of Canada and Mexico, would know where Americans are at all times of the day and night. (Ron Paul -A National ID Bill Masquerading as Immigration Reform, Before the US House of Representatives, February 9, 2005)
    Therefore, we the members of the Constitution Party of North Carolina-in solidarity with the Legislature of Maine and several other states now considering similar measures, call on our elected North Carolina State Legislators to pass this resolution:
    WE, the Members of the Legislature of the State of North Carolina now assembled, most respectfully present and petition the President of the United States and the United States Congress, as follows:
    WHEREAS, the federal REAL ID Act of 2005 mandates an unfunded national driver’s license on the people of North Carolina, and;
    WHEREAS, implementation of REAL ID would cost North Carolina taxpayers approximately $200-$400 million (conservatively out of the $11 billion total cost), and;
    WHEREAS, the REAL ID national database will invite theft of identity and invasion of privacy, and;
    WHEREAS, REAL ID will impose inconveniences and higher taxes on North Carolinians with no attendant benefit such as protections from terrorism; now, therefore, be it
    RESOLVED: that North Carolina State Legislature refuses to implement the REAL ID Act and thereby protest the treatment by Congress and the President of the states as agents of the federal government; and be it further
    RESOLVED: That the North Carolina State Legislature implores the United States Congress to repeal the REAL ID Act of 2005; and be it further
    RESOLVED: That official copies of this resolution, duly authenticated by the Secretary of State, be transmitted to the Honorable George W. Bush, President of the United States; the Honorable Secretary of Homeland Security Michael Chertoff; the Honorable Michael Easley, Governor of the State Of North Carolina; Richard Cheney, President of the United States Senate; Nancy Pelosi, Speaker of the United States House of Representatives; and each member of the North Carolina Congressional Delegation.

    We, the Members of the Constitution Party of North Carolina, do call upon the elected Legislators of the State of North Carolina, to pass this resolution without delay. We call on the North Carolina Legislature to pass laws interposing the power of the State of North Carolina, between her citizens and this unconstitutional attack on their liberties and welfare.

  15. Truth Guardian Says:

    Gene commented: “Where did anyone ever get the idea that I chatted with underaged girls online? I pay for my time at $0.20 per minute at truckstop computers because I don’t like owning a computer (IRS and FBI likes to haul it off whenever they want), and I don’t even have time to chatt with party leaders online, much less any girls, even adult.”

    It’s on your blog from July 31, 2006.

    “Near Vail, Colorado for the Night

    Round Table Talk:

    I’m settled in for the night near Vail, Colorado. I went to Safeway to shop, and there was not one ugly woman in the whole place. I couldn’t believe my eyes I’ll be back.

    I also just spoke to a couple of girls in the motel where I’m staying, here at the computer. One is an illegal from Mexico. She, a 16 year old brought over at age 2, was curious on my illegal immigration stand, so I showed her my website and platform. She took it all in, and we will see if she visits the site for further discussion on my policy proposals.”

    Somebody commented, “”Sheesh, Gene, grow up. You’re acting like a teenager in heat, rather than a presidential candidate.”

    You responded, “”I am a teenager in heat (ha ha). You try going through life singe with the moral training I have on my back (ha ha).”

    Are you now trying to claim you never wrote that?

  16. Citizens For A Better Veterans Home[s] Says:

    RICK STANLY AND THE REVOLUTIONARY COALITION:

    “TheRevolutionary”

    Sent: Monday, February 26, 2007 5:00 PM
    Subject: [TheRevolutionaryCo alition] BOYCOTTING all third parties until they unite

    > STANLEY NOTE: I know that the Revolutionary Coalition is BOYCOTTING all third
    > party campaigns until they agree to facilitate and form the combined united
    > consolidated merged NEW SUPER THIRD PARTY from the ashes of the existing
    > ineffective constitution defending third parties:
    > http://groups. yahoo.com/ group/TheRevolut ionaryCoaltion/ We are 2, 355
    > activists
    > who agree with this agenda and we are growing daily…The Libertarians have
    > been
    > miserable failures for over 35 years. It is time to unite the constitution
    > defending third parties and send a message to America that it is a new day, a
    > constitutional defending day in politics, not status quo anymore. We don’t
    > unite, status quo remains and tyranny reigns supreme. No more. Stop the
    > thrid
    > parties from lying to themselves anymore. It is time to unite constitution
    > defenders.
    >

    > It is time for the third parties to put the issue to a vote of the members.
    > Playing nice is over. We want change now. We want constitution defending
    > candidates in office now. Time for the STP. Time for the NEW SUPER THIRD
    > PARTY.
    >

    > Rick Stanley
    >

    > COMMENTS ??????????

  17. Cutty Sark Says:

    Am I just sick or are the parts I put in brackets just euphemisms?

    You decide.

    “She, a 16 year old brought over at age 2, was curious on my [illegal immigration stand] so I showed her my [website and platform]. She took it all in, and we will see if she visits [the site] for further [discussion] on my [policy proposals].”

  18. Cutty Sark Says:

    I think STP might be something Rick Stanley took in the 1960s.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2%2C5-dimethoxy-4-methylamphetamine

  19. Vincent Darrah Says:

    As a former member of the CP, I have to say this is silly. I know that the CP answers all who inquire of them. Sometimes it takes them a while, but they even contact me, someone who left on not good terms. And I dont think the CP should back this guy. I remember last election, some guy tried to run as the LP, CP, Green, Reform Candidate. He came and informed everyone that he was going to be the candidate of all those parties and that those who opposed him would see the error of their ways. I dont think he made the nomination for any party at all. He was so irrelevant that I cant even remember his name. And I think this is the same type of thing

  20. Cutty Sark Says:

    By the way Gene, I have underaged daughters and even though they live with their shrew of a mother, I do stay in touch regularly, so if I was to catch you showing them your “website and platform” so they could “take it all in” I would
    make it my business to find you and beat the shit out of you, literally.

    Using politics and religion to prey on children is really not cool, even for a certified, diagnosed, mentally hospitalized and most likely off your medication whackjob like you.

  21. undercover_anarchist Says:

    ” I remember last election, some guy tried to run as the LP, CP, Green, Reform Candidate.” Wasn’t that Aaron Russo?

  22. undercover_anarchist Says:

    Question: Why does this moron have this blog entry linked from his website? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m glad the CP has the sense to oppose this nutjob. If only the LP would do the same.

  23. Vincent Darrah Says:

    no his name was Sterling something but I dont remember if that was his first or last name

  24. Joey Dauben Says:

    Gene Chapman has become the Allen Hacker of the Constitution Party.

    I love it.

    Where’s Gary Nolan when you need him?

  25. Fred C. Says:

    Vincent: Are you thinking of Sterling D. Alan, the guy with the bunch of websites on Mormonism?

  26. Jason Gatties Says:

    “Question: Why does this moron have this blog entry linked from his website? That’s the stupidest thing I’ve ever heard of. I’m glad the CP has the sense to oppose this nutjob. If only the LP would do the same.”

    I take some offense to this statement. I’m a proud LP candidate and just because he is being allowed to debate at some functions doesn’t mean anything. Infact before I joined the LP, I checked into the CP (USTP here in Michigan) and the chairman at the time made some anti jewish statements in a meeting. Thats why I never joined the CP and found a better fit with the LP.

    My point is, there is NUTS in every party. Get off your soapbox.

  27. Jason Gatties Says:

    errr..proud member, not candidate

  28. Cody Quirk Says:

    Fred, Sterling Allen was excommunicated from the Church.

    FYI

  29. Eric Prindle Says:

    I wish I was a “distinguishable person.” You see, I have this problem where everyone seems to think I’m a tree.

  30. wnw3 Says:

    Why would the members of “Third Parties” (I agree more with the term Minor Parties) combine to make a “Super Third Party”?This is also similar to people who think if your not a Republican or a Democrat your an Independent and all Independents agree on all the issues. This is not the case. I agree more with The Libertarian Party than I do with all the other political parties so I claim to be a Libertarian. Why would I want to say that I agree with the Greens, Communist, Constitition Party etc. Some of the other 120 or so Parties are complete opposite of my views so why would I want to be linked with them? I know the Constitution Party have alot of issues that they agree on with the Libertarian Party, but they differ on a womans right to choose and they seem to believe women have no right to be in “Leadership positions” and there should be no seperation of church (Southern Baptist) and government. This seems to be an ongoing arguement in the Constitution Party (I know we LP’ers have alot of things we argue about also, I’m not trying to put any Party down). I’m just trying to say I have aligned myself with the party I agree with on most issues and I can’t be a part of another party that I disagree with. To the “Revolutionary Coalition” I’m sorry you wish to lump all of us into a one size fits all, but I’m glad that everyone here has his or her own views and are brave enough to “buck” the system and belong to the Party they are most comfortable with. Remember its Okay to go outside the lines every once in a while.

  31. Lex Says:

    The CP is only the “third largest” political party because it’s known as the American Independent Party in California, and lots of people register by mistake.

  32. Fred C. Says:

    Cody – I figured as much given the contents of some of his sites, you’ll note I said “with a bunch of websites on Mormonism” and not “that Mormon guy” ;) But I think that’s who Vincent was referring to if my memory serves that far back.

  33. MLB Says:

    Well, as long as Gary Odom isn’t mistaken for a tree, I guess all is right with the world.

  34. Cody Quirk Says:

    Yeah I know, even if he a ex-Mormon, he still follows “Mormon Principles”, his way, of course.

  35. Cody Quirk Says:

    You’re half right on cali. Lex,

    But Nevada is another story.

  36. Anthony Distler Says:

    The Constitution Party is the third largest THIRD Party. The Green and Libetarians are larger. Constitution Party may have slightly more registured members, but the Greens and the Libetarians have more supporters and recieve more votes in elections.

  37. Trent Hill Says:

    Slightly more? The CP has like 100,000 more registered members.

    They do recieve more votes in most elections. However, currently the CP has a state legislator. And the LP and GP dont.

    WNW3,

    Wrong on several counts. The CP HAS women in leadership positions. Mary Starrett is communications director. Lois McClain is one of the Southern Region Chairmen, and a leader in Florida. Also, Janine Hansen is one of the Western Area Chairmen. So…this isnt only wrong, its slanderous.

    As for the “Southern Baptist” gaffe, wrong again. There are LOTS of Mormons, Catholics, lutherans, episcapalians. In fact,there may be more Mormons than Southern Baptists. I personally am a non-denominational Christ with Catholic and Methodist views (and a very liberal interpretation of the Bible).

  38. Vincent Darrah Says:

    Yes it is Sterling Alan but I had no idea about his connection or non connection with mormonism. I just thought he was weird

  39. Cody Quirk Says:

    He is.

    Why do you think the LDS Church kicked him out?

  40. gene chapman Says:

    “By the way Gene, I have underaged daughters and even though they live with their shrew of a mother, I do stay in touch regularly, so if I was to catch you showing them your “website and platform” so they could “take it all in” I would make it my business to find you and beat the shit out of you, literally.”

    Gene’s reply: You are reading a mix of two stories that my opponents who hate tax protesters made up to enflame the voters against me. It’s called spin. My exchanges with the two 16 year olds in Colorado were in a hotel lobby infront of their parents. Everything was very innocent and proper.

    The other story was when I went to a Safeway to shop a few blocksa away and noted that all the women in this particular town were attractive. Someone said I was acting like a teenager in heat, and I jokingly replied that I was a teenager in heat. No big dael and everything was proper. I am learning that we can;t just be open in a dialogue with the people anymore. It’s sad.

    I took down the link that my webmaster made to this link and asked that he be more careful in the future not to connect us to such baseless attacks. If you feel the need to discuss this further, I have reader comments at ChapmanForPresident08.com, you may call me on my cell at 972-872-0784 or email me at genechapman@hotmail.com.

    God bless us all, as we work to free America from Global National Socialism.

    Gene Chapman

  41. Anthony Distler Says:

    Did Gene Chapman just leave his cell phone number on the site that has been slamming him? Ohhh boy.

  42. Trent Hill Says:

    heheheheheehe. Ever heard of Phone-bombing?

  43. Bill Wood Says:

    Trent Hill, thanks for the information. The women in leadership roles seemed to be an issue with some CP members in some blogs several weeks ago. I figured that was a inner Party debate, like we have the “who is more libertarian debate” in the LP.

    Watching one of the former CP Candidates for President (2000?) he came across as a “Southern Baptist” not that there is anything wrong with Southern Baptist. I just think people should be able to believe in their GOD of choice , or not believe. :-)

  44. RWR Says:

    Trent said:

    “However, currently the CP has a state legislator.”

    Who is this state legislator? If you’re talking about Rick Jore, it’s a completely different Constitution Party, and I think you know that.

  45. RWR Says:

    Bill said:

    “not that there is anything wrong with Southern Baptist. I just think people should be able to believe in their GOD of choice , or not believe.”

    Was Howard Phillips converting people at gunpoint? I think he would agree with you 100% that people should be able to believe according to their conscience. Perhaps your complaint is that he is expressing beliefs contrary to yours. If so, then just say it rather than make misleading insinuations about him.

  46. Trent Hill Says:

    It is the Constitution Party of Montana. It is considered part of the CP, its numbers are included in our registration numbers, and its platform is identical. Besides, 4 out of their 9 committee members support re-establishing with the National Party, and they are considered likely to rejoin before ‘08. (as is Oregon)

  47. RWR Says:

    Trent said:

    “It is considered part of the CP, its numbers are included in our registration numbers, … and they are considered likely to rejoin before ‘08.”

    According to their withdrawl resolution, they forbade the national CP from using their party, their candidates, and their elected officials for promotional purposes. Using Rep. Jore to claim that the CP has a state legislator sounds like a direct violation of that resolution to me.

    And what some members of the national CP “consider” CPMT to be doesn’t change the fact that they clearly don’t want to be considered in that way. In addition, speculation about what the CPMT may do in relation to the national CP in the future does not entitle the CP to override the wishes of what is presently a completely independent organization.

    Try to pull that in a copyright case between two corporations:

    “We at Kmart consider Office Max to be part of our company because we owned it until recently. Therefore, we are including their profits in our statements and will sell products under the Office Max name. Heck, we had even planned on buying it back in a few years!”

    It’s a lame argument! When (if) CPMT actually rejoins with the national CP, then we’ll talk.

  48. Cutty Sark Says:

    For the latest in Chapman news check out

    http://chapmanforpresident.blogspot.com/2007/02/gene-dropping-out-of-presidential-race.html

  49. undercover_anarchist Says:

    K-Mart is part of Sears Holdings (SHLD). Office Max is a standalone company. A better analogy would have been Wendy’s and Tim Horton’s.

  50. Trent Hill Says:

    RWR, I serve in no official capacity to the CP. So I can relate who I want with what I want without legal ramifications. The fact is,they share the same name, the same idealogy. There are talks of ramifications, and wether the CPMN likes it or not, when people read the CPMN,they associate it with the National CP, and many National CP people donate to the Jore campaign. So they are ASSOCIATED, if not legally.

  51. RWR Says:

    UA:

    Kmart owned OfficeMax during the early and mid-90s. You are correct, though, that Office Max is now a standalone company, hence the analogy. Your example is also applicable, and a more timely one at that.

    Trent:

    I am not claiming that you are legally bound to say or not say anything; rather, I used the copyright example to highlight the weakness of your defense. There is a difference between correctly recognizing associations between two organizations, such as shared beliefs and support of each others’ candidates, and falsely claiming that they are the same organization. Indeed, you are free to claim whatever you want and there will be no legal ramifications; however, the ramifications to your credibility are much more real.

    You’ve dodged the primary issue so far, but I’d appreciate your answer: Does the fact that many people believe the CPMT is part of the national CP make it true?

  52. undercover_anarchist Says:

    RWR: Wow, I didn’t know that. KMart should have held on to Office Max and maybe then it wouldn’t have had to go bankrupt. Thanks for the info.

  53. Trent Hill Says:

    Im not claiming the CPMT is in fact part of the National. Simply that most people relate them and they are in fact related (however closely or distantly). When the average person reads “Constitution Party of Montana” they figure that that party is in fact the state affilliate of the National CP.
    It doesnt matter. It is symantics.

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