=One word: JOBS!
You can say Americans are better doing white-collar work or simply being the economic icing on the cake of the world.
But I don’t think so.

Unless it’s a political office, I’d rather work in the fields instead of sitting on my butt in a cubical playing paper football.

Maybe if we stop getting into the businesses of other nations, including their economy, then maybe they’ll stop hating us and we wouldn’t have to worry about anyone holding us by the balls on oil and natural resources.

No apologees.

=Damn straight I work with my hands, especially if you are making parts that go into the human body, I always have to wear a smock and a hair net, plus a beard net, for the stuff I do. I make little over 1600 dollars a month, before deductions. You’ll say that’s better then working as a construction worker, or a janitor, or a laborer. But I’ve done all those jobs, I’ve worked the same jobs as illegals have, and received s**t pay for it, but I still made money nevertheless, and despite my politics, I keep my month shut when I go to work, especially if you’re working alongside not just people that may not have a green-card, but ex-convicts and gangsters. I can tolerate working with them, eating lunch with them, giving them a few dollars for the venting machine, even became friends with them. But I remain unshaken about my views. In fact the temp jobs I did, I didn’t hold them for long either because my skin just was a little too white, or I didn’t speak another language, but I took it and moved up to where I am today. My current job is way better then any other I had. But still I have issues, since my job’s Human Resources Dept. are run by completely incompetant people, or my Med. Insurance gives us the runaround every so often on our bills, especially when you are raising a child.
So don’t say I’m just a stupid white boy from upper OC suburbia that doesn’t know jack about the world. My parents never spoiled me or bought me a car, I had to do everything on my own. And I’ve worked as cheap labor with cheap labor. In fact if it paid good and had good benifits I would be more then happy to work as a gardener, and janitor, a construction worker, a warehouse worker- anything where you are a human work-horse I would do it and not complain. Blue-Collar work is wired in my blood, as my dad was a Truckdriver, my grand-dad was a steel-worker and a welder, my great grampa was a lumberjack and I can go on and on.
But even if I have mexican, black, Salvadorian, Puerto-Rican friends or co-workers, I will always be a committeed nationalist/populist and a economic Protectionist.

Yet you’ve probably never done the work I have in your life, so you have no right to tell me otherwise.

“As wealth rises, our wants increase. As more is produced, we are allowed to consume more.”

=Usually you can contribute that to greed and financial over-confidence.
Yet I remain a penny-pincher, I’m not like most Americans on money.

“You are not a capitalist if you do not believe in free trade.”

=I have no problem with free-trade within my country, and I still believe in free trade with other countries, as long as we have strict tariffs and regulations that won’t let alien elements warp the American economy and businesses as it’s already doing.

“If globalization only benefits Wal-Mart (not true), then I have a simple solution: BE WAL-MART.”

=It’s bad enough we shop there since it’s in our buget.
And that South Park episode on Wal-Mart really freaked me out (sarcasm).

Yet I do support the towns and communities that are resisting Wal-Marts being built to ruin the local businesses already there.
And FYI, there is no mom-and-pop stores that I could shop at in my town at all.

“You have a typical lazy liberal victim mentality.”

=I should say the same about you, especially since you ran for Congress as a Green.

“My purpose has been to expose you CP/AIP types as the anticapitalists you are. I think I have succeeded.”

=Nope, nobody thinks us as ‘economic communists’ -except you.

I thought it was pretty well understood that I am being extreme and vitriolic for my own entertainment and the potential entertainment of others.

Matt – Why would we want this country to be a manufacturing mecca? Let China do the manufacturing. We have better things to do.

GE,
Tag you’re it. You really seem to be swaying public opinion.

Oh,and as for the CP being anti-free market. You are PRO-MINIMUM WAGE!!
I thought the market had final say?

“The CP is against any minimum wage, and yet they want to be more coercive and create wage protection through immigration controls. This not only ensures lower wages for everyone in the end, but also a lower standard of living.”
Also, the CP says NOTHING about immigration controls, but rather about reforming ILLEGAL immigration. This is so innocent aliens wont be exploited or hurt (i.e. earn NO money or be robbed while crossing the border), and so not-so-innocent Aliens wont be able to wreak havoc on our community.

Somone had to do it, rather I agree with calling one out on a public forum or not. UA/GE through his actions and slander towards many including the CP (ie, mule fuckers, rednecks, Nazi’s, racist, daughter fuckers, elitist, slave owners, inbread idiots, religous bigots, ect, ect) more than warrants a personal defamation on such a “soft” and easy target such as GE.

And this is a public forum and GE ran for a public office, so if he apprehensive to the thought of certain comments that he has publicaly stated may somehow come back to bight him, well I’m sure that is why a man so long ago once said, “Be careful not to put your foot in your own mouth”. Good luck you slanderous dipshit, you reep what you sow.

-Jason

It is the regulation and strongarm tactics that create the problem, and there again, much of the impetus for these them can be traced back to vicious (and shortsighted) bosses.

The US is about 2 or 3 changes in labor law away from being a manufacturing mecca again, but the entrenched labor community will have none of it.

The Democratic Party has not always been protectionist. In the early part of this century, that was not the case. But yes, their alignment with the labor movement has confused the natural order.

A couple things about unions:

1. Unions have never done anything without management agreeing to it.

2. “Unions” aren’t the problem – it’s the government’s protection and codification of unionism into law that’s the problem. For example, did you know it is illegal for me to start a union with my fellow employees unless I involve the damn NRLB and a big union like the AFL? I can’t just start the “Bob’s Markethouse Employees Union” – it’s against the law. Who does this benefit? The big unions, of course.

[At this point, I could divert from the subject at hand even more wildly by pointing out that unions are one of the major forces sapping the US economy and the number one engine driving jobs overseas, but that would be more relevant somewhere else.]

In the past, this has been tempered by the influence of the big business donors they share with the GOP, but that might be changing.

The freshman Democrats, especially (the otherwise awesome) Jim Webb got elected on protectionist rhetoric. I hope they don’t have enough power to push that agenda through congress.

Andy – There are always rules that go along with any economic system. I don’t think the minimum wage should guarantee a middle class income like the left says it should. I think it should protect people – i.e. the mentally slow – from exploitation. I don’t think any sane person would contract to work for less than $5.15 an hour.

The CP is against any minimum wage, and yet they want to be more coercive and create wage protection through immigration controls. This not only ensures lower wages for everyone in the end, but also a lower standard of living.

Speaking of how non-free-market the Republicans have become, I just saw an interview with Alfonso Jackson, the president’s secretary of HUD, bragging about how the budget calls for $50 million in “housing counseling.” How can this be a good idea???

I don’t consider protectionism to be in line with free market capitalism.

However, I will say that in spite of this the Constitution Party is more free market than the typical Democrat, Republican, and Green. Of course, the Libertarian Party is the most free market party of all.

March 23rd, 2007 at 12:54 pm
Cody – If you work with your hands, you deserve the price for your labor that the market dictates. Not the price that the government dictates.”

This from a guy who has promoted minimum wage laws in other threads.

“If globalization only benefits Wal-Mart (not true), then I have a simple solution: BE WAL-MART.”

If you want to be Wal-Mart you’d better get in good with the politicians since you’ll need plenty of corporate welfare and land confiscated through eminent domain.

GE has given us the information to find his name before. He doesnt seem ot care TOO much. That being said, I agree on a certain level. Cody is starting to resemble John Lofton’s attack stance. Cody, that isnt a reputation you want.

GE,
We arent anti-capitalist. We’re protectionist capitalist. You are as radically stupid as can be.

You do a good thing, you’re a really good writer, and I agree with most of what you say, but until you learn that people who disagree with you (and in some cases insult you) deserve just as much respect as you do, you’ll run the risk of being a hindrance rather than a help to your particular third party and the movement as a whole.

I’m not trying to be a jerk, just calling it like I see it.

A rising tide lifts all boats. I want a market of 7 billion for my products. As wealth rises, our wants increase. As more is produced, we are allowed to consume more.

You are not a capitalist if you do not believe in free trade. Adam Smith’s The Wealth of Nations evangalizes free trade. Saying you’re a capitalist against free trade is like saying you’re a Communist against state ownership of property.

If globalization only benefits Wal-Mart (not true), then I have a simple solution: BE WAL-MART.

You have a typical lazy liberal victim mentality.

My purpose has been to expose you CP/AIP types as the anticapitalists you are. I think I have succeeded.