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	<title>Comments on: Battered Voter Syndrome</title>
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		<title>by: Christopher</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-411479</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2007 17:20:56 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;strong&gt;Christopher&lt;/strong&gt;

...Refurbished treadmill is not for everyone...</description>
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	<p>...Refurbished treadmill is not for everyone&#8230;</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-156587</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Apr 2007 05:07:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>No problem. Maybe you could even run as a Green again. =)</description>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-156360</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 23:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I'm working on it. Thanks for the encouragement.</description>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-156287</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 20:42:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>GE, then stop peddling your expanded knowledge here. Obviously we &quot;aren't getting it&quot;. So, use your vast knowledge of the economy to become FAR more rich than any of us, and then fund your own party, or run for office under the LP ticket and prove us wrong. Until then...it is an undecided point. There is no evidence one way or the other, because you cannot compare Gold to the Dollar without having BOTH of them seperated from the economy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>GE, then stop peddling your expanded knowledge here. Obviously we &#8220;aren&#8217;t getting it&#8221;. So, use your vast knowledge of the economy to become <span class="caps">FAR</span> more rich than any of us, and then fund your own party, or run for office under the LP ticket and prove us wrong. Until then&#8230;it is an undecided point. There is no evidence one way or the other, because you cannot compare Gold to the Dollar without having <span class="caps">BOTH</span> of them seperated from the economy.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-155648</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:34:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Um, yes I do. Inflation is an expansion of the money supply that outpaces economic growth. Deflation is a contraction of the money supply so that it does not accomodate economic and/or population growth. Deflation kills economies. Hyperinflation does as well. But mild inflation does not. Price stability is the goal of monetary policy, but recognizing that zero-inflation is an impossibility, monetary policymakers err on the side of inflation because a minor degree of deflation is as damaging as a large degree of inflation.

These people want to revert to an economic system in which growth was low, credit was tight, and people toiled for subsistence, not to add value. They want to return to a time when panics and depressions were as common as congressional elections, and of which the vast majority (if not all) were DEflation-related.

Yes, there is a problem with people not understanding inflation. But I'm the only one not afflicted by that problem here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Um, yes I do. Inflation is an expansion of the money supply that outpaces economic growth. Deflation is a contraction of the money supply so that it does not accomodate economic and/or population growth. Deflation kills economies. Hyperinflation does as well. But mild inflation does not. Price stability is the goal of monetary policy, but recognizing that zero-inflation is an impossibility, monetary policymakers err on the side of inflation because a minor degree of deflation is as damaging as a large degree of inflation.</p>
	<p>These people want to revert to an economic system in which growth was low, credit was tight, and people toiled for subsistence, not to add value. They want to return to a time when panics and depressions were as common as congressional elections, and of which the vast majority (if not all) were DEflation-related.</p>
	<p>Yes, there is a problem with people not understanding inflation. But I&#8217;m the only one not afflicted by that problem here.</p>
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		<title>by: Nidian</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-155634</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 06:11:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I may not be all that 'money smart' but even I can tell Global Elitist doesn't understand inflation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I may not be all that &#8216;money smart&#8217; but even I can tell Global Elitist doesn&#8217;t understand inflation.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-153869</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 15:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-153869</guid>
					<description>Nah, I'm not an anarchist. Anarchism =/ capitalism. My former name was to symbolize an attitude, not a way of political philosophy.

Capitalism cannot exist without the state. Adam Smith not only advocated a court system, patent office, and national defense, but also a public education system.

Murray Rothbard is not the godfather of capitalism. He is a minor league thinker. Adam Smith, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill, etc. These are the great minds of capitalism.

How does capitalism exist without a court system, for example? It cannot. How can modern capitalism exist without patents, trademarks, and copyrights? Their absense is anti-growth. 

The government's role in the economy is to facilitate prosperity. 99.9% of the time, that means doing nothing. But prosperity is best suited by the government providing a pro-growth infrastructure. This includes courts, intllectual property, defense, and public education, as well as coining money and administering monetary policy, and providing a minimal social safety net that encourages risk taking.

John Stuart Mill said that, when the question was whether or not government should act, the default answer is always no. In order to justify action, it must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it's action is for the greater good or prosperity. In this way, government is guilty until proven innocent.

99.9% of the time, 300 million individuals can individually create the greater good. Markets work; the wisdom of crowds work. But as any non-ideaologue or non-brainwashing victim of the Cult of Rand, Rothbard, or Mises knows, there is something in economics called &quot;the freeloader effect.&quot; The minimal necessary public purposes cannot be funded through &quot;voluntary&quot; means, because it is always in one's rational self interest to hope that someone else does it. The minimal functions of government must be funded, and therefore, they must be funded in the least anti-growth manner as possible; the method in which the most decision-making power is still left with the crowd, and not the government, which will never be as efficient as the crowd. A tax on unimproved land is, in my opinion, probably the best method of taxation, but second to that is a tax on income. It is the least destructive to growth. We have low tax rates in America, but they could and should be much lower. I'm an advocate of the Steve Forbes flat tax at the federal level, and the elimination of most other taxes at every level. That's a realistic, principled, pro-capitalist approach.

Ayn Rand was a novelist, not an economist or even a legitimate philosopher. Murray Rothbard and Von Mises were crackpot nobodies. IT BEGINS WITH ADAM SMITH, and libertarians would be wise to revisit The Wealth of Nations, On Liberty by John Stuart Mill, etc., not these ideaologically driven, dishonest tracts by anti-American loons.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nah, I&#8217;m not an anarchist. Anarchism =/ capitalism. My former name was to symbolize an attitude, not a way of political philosophy.</p>
	<p>Capitalism cannot exist without the state. Adam Smith not only advocated a court system, patent office, and national defense, but also a public education system.</p>
	<p>Murray Rothbard is not the godfather of capitalism. He is a minor league thinker. Adam Smith, David Ricardo, John Stuart Mill, etc. These are the great minds of capitalism.</p>
	<p>How does capitalism exist without a court system, for example? It cannot. How can modern capitalism exist without patents, trademarks, and copyrights? Their absense is anti-growth.</p>
	<p>The government&#8217;s role in the economy is to facilitate prosperity. 99.9% of the time, that means doing nothing. But prosperity is best suited by the government providing a pro-growth infrastructure. This includes courts, intllectual property, defense, and public education, as well as coining money and administering monetary policy, and providing a minimal social safety net that encourages risk taking.</p>
	<p>John Stuart Mill said that, when the question was whether or not government should act, the default answer is always no. In order to justify action, it must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that it&#8217;s action is for the greater good or prosperity. In this way, government is guilty until proven innocent.</p>
	<p>99.9% of the time, 300 million individuals can individually create the greater good. Markets work; the wisdom of crowds work. But as any non-ideaologue or non-brainwashing victim of the Cult of Rand, Rothbard, or Mises knows, there is something in economics called &#8220;the freeloader effect.&#8221; The minimal necessary public purposes cannot be funded through &#8220;voluntary&#8221; means, because it is always in one&#8217;s rational self interest to hope that someone else does it. The minimal functions of government must be funded, and therefore, they must be funded in the least anti-growth manner as possible; the method in which the most decision-making power is still left with the crowd, and not the government, which will never be as efficient as the crowd. A tax on unimproved land is, in my opinion, probably the best method of taxation, but second to that is a tax on income. It is the least destructive to growth. We have low tax rates in America, but they could and should be much lower. I&#8217;m an advocate of the Steve Forbes flat tax at the federal level, and the elimination of most other taxes at every level. That&#8217;s a realistic, principled, pro-capitalist approach.</p>
	<p>Ayn Rand was a novelist, not an economist or even a legitimate philosopher. Murray Rothbard and Von Mises were crackpot nobodies. <span class="caps">IT BEGINS WITH ADAM SMITH</span>, and libertarians would be wise to revisit The Wealth of Nations, On Liberty by John Stuart Mill, etc., not these ideaologically driven, dishonest tracts by anti-American loons.</p>
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		<title>by: Devious David</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-152976</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 19:12:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Man, I thought you were an anarchist! You should be.

&quot;American Capitalism&quot; is really a mixed-economy, quasi-facist perversion of true capitalism. An unfettered Market can best solve any problem. Taxation is an inhibition of the market and all government actions resulting from such are in direct contravention of the Market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Man, I thought you were an anarchist! You should be.</p>
	<p>&#8220;American Capitalism&#8221; is really a mixed-economy, quasi-facist perversion of true capitalism. An unfettered Market can best solve any problem. Taxation is an inhibition of the market and all government actions resulting from such are in direct contravention of the Market.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-152200</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 17:13:30 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am not a Keynesian. Keynes had some valid ideas, and some elements of Keynesianism work well during certain environments. But I'm more of a monetarist.

Central banks and governments currently hold 25% of the world's gold - that's 25% of all that's ever been mined in the history of the earth. Governments hold 10 times the annual output of gold.

If Fort Knox is empty - which is not - oh well. That would be like finding out my old copy of Monopoly has no &quot;money&quot; in the plastic tray.

You are giving schools too much credit. I didn't learn anything of any substance in school.

Anarchist = no. Liberal = yes and proud. Fan of central planning = absolutely not. I'm a fan of American Capitalism; of the pro-growth financial infrastructure (which includes some taxation) that has allowed us all to be richer and live better lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am not a Keynesian. Keynes had some valid ideas, and some elements of Keynesianism work well during certain environments. But I&#8217;m more of a monetarist.</p>
	<p>Central banks and governments currently hold 25% of the world&#8217;s gold &#8211; that&#8217;s 25% of all that&#8217;s ever been mined in the history of the earth. Governments hold 10 times the annual output of gold.</p>
	<p>If Fort Knox is empty &#8211; which is not &#8211; oh well. That would be like finding out my old copy of Monopoly has no &#8220;money&#8221; in the plastic tray.</p>
	<p>You are giving schools too much credit. I didn&#8217;t learn anything of any substance in school.</p>
	<p>Anarchist = no. Liberal = yes and proud. Fan of central planning = absolutely not. I&#8217;m a fan of American Capitalism; of the pro-growth financial infrastructure (which includes some taxation) that has allowed us all to be richer and live better lives.</p>
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		<title>by: Devious David</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-152148</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 15:31:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Governments lie. Besides, so what if the price of gold plummeted? The fact of the matter is that the central banks already have dumped their gold on the market. That's why the price was so low during the 90's. They are running out of ammunition. Most of the gold has been &quot;leased&quot; out, never to return.

You should really go and seriously look at the work done by GATA. Fort Knox is probably empty.

All you are really doing is parrotting what you &quot;learned&quot; in school. You think because you have a piece of paper from a government operated indoctrination camp, that you know money. What they taught you was wrong. Imagine for a moment if that is true (it is). Like all good Keynesians, you have a selective memory and revisionist history books. 

Your scramble to support and endorse central planning is amusing and sad. But at least we know where you really stand on the matter. You are a proponent of central planning and you cannot be relied upon to oppose it under any circumstance. You're just a liberal that doesn't like taxes, in other words. And a poor example of an anarchist.

The causal link between gold and the problems you outlined is nil. You are also wrong about total wealth. June Cleaver doesn't exist anymore because people have to run faster on the inflation treadmill. The cost of the goods is the same or lower, it's the dollar that has depreciated. Explain why I can take a $1 silver dollar, melt it into a lump so that it has no numismatic value and then sell that lump for $10. I can buy 4 gallons of gasoline with $10. When that silver dollar was minted it would likely buy... (drumroll) 4 gallons of gasoline, because gasoline when priced in dollars was 25 cents.

You might make a great libertarian one day, but I will have to consider staging an intervention in order to affectuate the process. Maybe I'll start a website that people can contribute to. The money will go towards sending you to the Ludwig Von Mises Instittue to debate these issues with Lew Rockwell and Walter Block. Have you read Murray Rothbards &quot;What has government done to our money&quot;? Read it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Governments lie. Besides, so what if the price of gold plummeted? The fact of the matter is that the central banks already have dumped their gold on the market. That&#8217;s why the price was so low during the 90&#8217;s. They are running out of ammunition. Most of the gold has been &#8220;leased&#8221; out, never to return.</p>
	<p>You should really go and seriously look at the work done by <span class="caps">GATA</span>. Fort Knox is probably empty.</p>
	<p>All you are really doing is parrotting what you &#8220;learned&#8221; in school. You think because you have a piece of paper from a government operated indoctrination camp, that you know money. What they taught you was wrong. Imagine for a moment if that is true (it is). Like all good Keynesians, you have a selective memory and revisionist history books.</p>
	<p>Your scramble to support and endorse central planning is amusing and sad. But at least we know where you really stand on the matter. You are a proponent of central planning and you cannot be relied upon to oppose it under any circumstance. You&#8217;re just a liberal that doesn&#8217;t like taxes, in other words. And a poor example of an anarchist.</p>
	<p>The causal link between gold and the problems you outlined is nil. You are also wrong about total wealth. June Cleaver doesn&#8217;t exist anymore because people have to run faster on the inflation treadmill. The cost of the goods is the same or lower, it&#8217;s the dollar that has depreciated. Explain why I can take a $1 silver dollar, melt it into a lump so that it has no numismatic value and then sell that lump for $10. I can buy 4 gallons of gasoline with $10. When that silver dollar was minted it would likely buy&#8230; (drumroll) 4 gallons of gasoline, because gasoline when priced in dollars was 25 cents.</p>
	<p>You might make a great libertarian one day, but I will have to consider staging an intervention in order to affectuate the process. Maybe I&#8217;ll start a website that people can contribute to. The money will go towards sending you to the Ludwig Von Mises Instittue to debate these issues with Lew Rockwell and Walter Block. Have you read Murray Rothbards &#8220;What has government done to our money&#8221;? Read it.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-151423</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Mar 2007 01:53:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, and by the way: &quot;Audits of the gold by the General Accounting Office (in cooperation with the United States Mint and the United States Customs Service) in 1974 and the Treasury Department from 1975 to 1981 found no discrepancies between the reported and actual amounts of gold at the Depository. Approximately 10% of the bullion is audited annually to ensure the amount and purity matches official records.&quot;

Governments continue to horde gold. Why? Because if they let it loose on the open market, the value would plummet. Gold is a welfare-subsidized ornament. It is worthless beyond its shine.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, and by the way: &#8220;Audits of the gold by the General Accounting Office (in cooperation with the United States Mint and the United States Customs Service) in 1974 and the Treasury Department from 1975 to 1981 found no discrepancies between the reported and actual amounts of gold at the Depository. Approximately 10% of the bullion is audited annually to ensure the amount and purity matches official records.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Governments continue to horde gold. Why? Because if they let it loose on the open market, the value would plummet. Gold is a welfare-subsidized ornament. It is worthless beyond its shine.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-151279</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 23:33:28 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Fort Knox is the property of the U.S. Treasury, not the Fed.

The Fed has a board of governors + the OMO committee, all appointed by the president with senate approval. They do not require appropriations from the government, and they engage in a minute percentage of Treasury transactions. They decide how much to charge member banks on overnight loans - loans that are RARELY taken out. And they determine the reserve requirement, which hasn't been changed since 1988. There are Fed banks all throughout the country, the member banks are in virtually every city. Where is the centralization?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Fort Knox is the property of the U.S. Treasury, not the Fed.</p>
	<p>The Fed has a board of governors + the <span class="caps">OMO</span> committee, all appointed by the president with senate approval. They do not require appropriations from the government, and they engage in a minute percentage of Treasury transactions. They decide how much to charge member banks on overnight loans &#8211; loans that are <span class="caps">RARELY</span> taken out. And they determine the reserve requirement, which hasn&#8217;t been changed since 1988. There are Fed banks all throughout the country, the member banks are in virtually every city. Where is the centralization?</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-151242</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 22:43:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The FED is the CENTRALIZATION of DECISIONS on money. It is a CENTRAL AREA for CONTROL, far from prying eyes.
If you disagree with my allegation that it is &quot;far from prying eyes&quot;, check out when the last time Fort Knox was audited was...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The <span class="caps">FED</span> is the <span class="caps">CENTRALIZATION</span> of <span class="caps">DECISIONS</span> on money. It is a <span class="caps">CENTRAL AREA</span> for <span class="caps">CONTROL</span>, far from prying eyes.<br />
If you disagree with my allegation that it is &#8220;far from prying eyes&#8221;, check out when the last time Fort Knox was audited was&#8230;</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-151211</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:49:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I don't agree at all. I don't even understand the allegation. If you want a response from me, you have to spell out to me how the Federal Reserve system is a &quot;concentration&quot; of money. In comparison to what? Previous national banking models? Other central banks? No to both. The Fed system is extremely well dispersed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I don&#8217;t agree at all. I don&#8217;t even understand the allegation. If you want a response from me, you have to spell out to me how the Federal Reserve system is a &#8220;concentration&#8221; of money. In comparison to what? Previous national banking models? Other central banks? No to both. The Fed system is extremely well dispersed.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/battered-voter-syndrome/#comment-151164</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Mar 2007 21:02:11 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Um, explain how not?

The Fed is extremely HEAVY centralization of money.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Um, explain how not?</p>
	<p>The Fed is extremely <span class="caps">HEAVY</span> centralization of money.</p>
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