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	<title>Comments on: Jefferson Republican Party Boycotts Bank of America</title>
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		<title>by: Lucky225</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-198189</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2007 07:40:44 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Globalist Elitist -- it's easy for the bank to prove you're not a foreigner, see the whole thing is they require you to show a VISA proving your LEGAL status and that you are NOT eligible for an SSN.  If you can't provide proof that you ARE a foreigner *OR* a US citizen(i.e. illegal alien) you don't get an account open at all -- end of story.  That's why this 'uproar' about mortgages being given to people without SSN's is non-sense since they're only given to LEGAL aliens.  Trust me, I *AM* a us citizen and don't give my ssn for anything, but ever since the patriot act I have not been able to open any other accounts because I'm a 'us person', I've tried saying I'm a foreigner, they want documentation that you are and that you have applied for a tax ID with the IRS(which the irs also wants LEGAL documentation post-2002)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Globalist Elitist&#8212;it&#8217;s easy for the bank to prove you&#8217;re not a foreigner, see the whole thing is they require you to show a <span class="caps">VISA</span> proving your <span class="caps">LEGAL</span> status and that you are <span class="caps">NOT</span> eligible for an <span class="caps">SSN</span>.  If you can&#8217;t provide proof that you <span class="caps">ARE</span> a foreigner <strong>OR</strong> a US citizen(i.e. illegal alien) you don&#8217;t get an account open at all&#8212;end of story.  That&#8217;s why this &#8216;uproar&#8217; about mortgages being given to people without <span class="caps">SSN</span>&#8217;s is non-sense since they&#8217;re only given to <span class="caps">LEGAL</span> aliens.  Trust me, I <strong>AM</strong> a us citizen and don&#8217;t give my ssn for anything, but ever since the patriot act I have not been able to open any other accounts because I&#8217;m a &#8216;us person&#8217;, I&#8217;ve tried saying I&#8217;m a foreigner, they want documentation that you are and that you have applied for a tax ID with the <acronym title="which the irs also wants <span class="caps">LEGAL</span> documentation post-2002">IRS</acronym></p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-155252</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 16:29:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-155252</guid>
					<description>Personally, im not sure having Jesus Christ in the preamble helps us...and it certainly does some damage. Not sure where I stand on that one.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Personally, im not sure having Jesus Christ in the preamble helps us&#8230;and it certainly does some damage. Not sure where I stand on that one.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154733</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154733</guid>
					<description>Income tax is better than protectionism because protectionism works as a sales tax, and sales taxes are regressive and place a higher burden on the poor and working people than they do on the rich. The data is in on that. And I'm not opposing sales tax from a purely egalitarian perspective, but from the fact that it's anti-growth. It discourages economic activity.

Actually, Smith was too much of a nationalist! Along with courts, police, defense, patents, and public education, he also said government had a responsibility to &quot;maintain the dignity of the sovereign,&quot; which I'm guessing means the king. Riccardo is the better economist.

Americans most certainly do pay for tarrifs. They pay for them in the form of higher prices on imported goods, and lower quality of domestic goods since domestic producers are not incentivized to produce higher quality or lower cost competitors.

Take this recent disaster by the Bush admin to slap &quot;sanctions&quot; on Chinese paper. The Chi-Coms are subsidizing the purchase of printer paper for Americans. The Chinese taxpayer is helping ME buy a pack of paper! How is this bad for me? I don't want my government doing it, but if another government is dumb enough, then great! Do we really need domestic paper producers anyway? And if we do, then that just makes it so they have to produce better quality paper / add value in some other way. Let the Chi-Coms make my paper cheaper. It only hurts them in the long run.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Income tax is better than protectionism because protectionism works as a sales tax, and sales taxes are regressive and place a higher burden on the poor and working people than they do on the rich. The data is in on that. And I&#8217;m not opposing sales tax from a purely egalitarian perspective, but from the fact that it&#8217;s anti-growth. It discourages economic activity.</p>
	<p>Actually, Smith was too much of a nationalist! Along with courts, police, defense, patents, and public education, he also said government had a responsibility to &#8220;maintain the dignity of the sovereign,&#8221; which I&#8217;m guessing means the king. Riccardo is the better economist.</p>
	<p>Americans most certainly do pay for tarrifs. They pay for them in the form of higher prices on imported goods, and lower quality of domestic goods since domestic producers are not incentivized to produce higher quality or lower cost competitors.</p>
	<p>Take this recent disaster by the Bush admin to slap &#8220;sanctions&#8221; on Chinese paper. The Chi-Coms are subsidizing the purchase of printer paper for Americans. The Chinese taxpayer is helping ME buy a pack of paper! How is this bad for me? I don&#8217;t want my government doing it, but if another government is dumb enough, then great! Do we really need domestic paper producers anyway? And if we do, then that just makes it so they have to produce better quality paper / add value in some other way. Let the Chi-Coms make my paper cheaper. It only hurts them in the long run.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154729</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 05:05:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154729</guid>
					<description>Michigan. I can't remember the lady's name now. She was my neighbor at the time - directly across the street. I did not know her until I saw a filing from my town (Adrian at the time) on a list of filings and then noticed she was on the same street! I went over and talked to her and her husband. Those were some good conversations. I think her name was Gloria Van something. Anyway, her husband was one of the guys who made an impassioned plea to keep &quot;Jesus Christ&quot; out of the preamble to the CP platform.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Michigan. I can&#8217;t remember the lady&#8217;s name now. She was my neighbor at the time &#8211; directly across the street. I did not know her until I saw a filing from my town (Adrian at the time) on a list of filings and then noticed she was on the same street! I went over and talked to her and her husband. Those were some good conversations. I think her name was Gloria Van something. Anyway, her husband was one of the guys who made an impassioned plea to keep &#8220;Jesus Christ&#8221; out of the preamble to the CP platform.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154707</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:55:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154707</guid>
					<description>Hm. What Constitution Party candidate did you vote for? And what state do you live in? (I'd like to know because it corresponds to the state LP).

You can email me if you don't feel comfortable giving out info.
Shotdown1027@yahoo.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hm. What Constitution Party candidate did you vote for? And what state do you live in? (I&#8217;d like to know because it corresponds to the state LP).</p>
	<p>You can email me if you don&#8217;t feel comfortable giving out info.<br />
<a href="mailto:Shotdown1027@yahoo.com">Shotdown1027@yahoo.com</a></p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154706</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 03:54:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154706</guid>
					<description>I didnt say I supported &quot;Wealth of Nations&quot;, only that I supported John Adams. I'v read Wealth of Nations, I don't care much for the way it ignores national soviergnty (oh my god. I butchered that word).

As for some elite in Washinton deciding what the tarriff rates are....how is that worse than the Elite in washington determining what the income tax rate is?
The idea is to keep it low in both cases. But this way, the American citizen doesn't pay that tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I didnt say I supported &#8220;Wealth of Nations&#8221;, only that I supported John Adams. I&#8217;v read Wealth of Nations, I don&#8217;t care much for the way it ignores national soviergnty (oh my god. I butchered that word).</p>
	<p>As for some elite in Washinton deciding what the tarriff rates are&#8230;.how is that worse than the Elite in washington determining what the income tax rate is?<br />
The idea is to keep it low in both cases. But this way, the American citizen doesn&#8217;t pay that tax.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154584</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154584</guid>
					<description>Opposition to protectionism is the biggest idea in Wealth of Nations. That's like saying you like the Communist Manifesto but you don't like the collective ownership of property. Actually, it's virtually the same thing, because protectionism is pretty much collective ownership, since you're allowing the elite in Washington to make buying and selling choices for individuals who are too dumb to act in their own rational self interest, according to you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Opposition to protectionism is the biggest idea in Wealth of Nations. That&#8217;s like saying you like the Communist Manifesto but you don&#8217;t like the collective ownership of property. Actually, it&#8217;s virtually the same thing, because protectionism is pretty much collective ownership, since you&#8217;re allowing the elite in Washington to make buying and selling choices for individuals who are too dumb to act in their own rational self interest, according to you.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154582</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 17:43:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154582</guid>
					<description>As has been exposed, I was a member of the Green Party in 2004. Immediately after the election, I was pretty much out of that thinking. In fact, it was watching the now-disgraced Badnarik in debates that got me to begin the process of re-evaluation. So in 2004, I mostly voted for Green, Natural Law, and a few Dems. I did vote for one Republican (because I really hated the Dem) and one Constitution Party candidate (because amazingly, she was my next-door neighbor!) Prior to 2004, I had mostly voted for Dems, although I always voted for third parties in the races I knew nothing about (i.e. Board of Education, etc.)

In 2006, I voted for Libertarians, Democrats, and Greens. Whomever was the least worst in my view.

I am not thrilled with my state's LP. It has a more conservative approach, focusing on issues that align it with the far right. Many of its candidates do not share my values. And furthermore, it runs a whole lot of &quot;paper candidates&quot; over and over and over again, for whom I feel like my vote would literally be a waste.

So I consider myself to be a true independent. A neo-liberal. In 2008 and beyond, my guiding principle will be to select the candidate that best reflects my values of maximizing individual rights and economic growth. I care not if the candidate has a &quot;chance to win,&quot; but I do care whether or not they deserve to win. Whether or not they could do the job, whether or not they're working hard to get it. So sadly, I do not anticipate on voting for as many LP candidates as I would if I lived in a state like Georgia, for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As has been exposed, I was a member of the Green Party in 2004. Immediately after the election, I was pretty much out of that thinking. In fact, it was watching the now-disgraced Badnarik in debates that got me to begin the process of re-evaluation. So in 2004, I mostly voted for Green, Natural Law, and a few Dems. I did vote for one Republican (because I really hated the Dem) and one Constitution Party candidate (because amazingly, she was my next-door neighbor!) Prior to 2004, I had mostly voted for Dems, although I always voted for third parties in the races I knew nothing about (i.e. Board of Education, etc.)</p>
	<p>In 2006, I voted for Libertarians, Democrats, and Greens. Whomever was the least worst in my view.</p>
	<p>I am not thrilled with my state&#8217;s LP. It has a more conservative approach, focusing on issues that align it with the far right. Many of its candidates do not share my values. And furthermore, it runs a whole lot of &#8220;paper candidates&#8221; over and over and over again, for whom I feel like my vote would literally be a waste.</p>
	<p>So I consider myself to be a true independent. A neo-liberal. In 2008 and beyond, my guiding principle will be to select the candidate that best reflects my values of maximizing individual rights and economic growth. I care not if the candidate has a &#8220;chance to win,&#8221; but I do care whether or not they deserve to win. Whether or not they could do the job, whether or not they&#8217;re working hard to get it. So sadly, I do not anticipate on voting for as many LP candidates as I would if I lived in a state like Georgia, for example.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154574</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 16:51:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154574</guid>
					<description>I dont reject him...simply his opposition to protectionism.
Just like I like Hamilton's protectionist support, but not the way he killed Aaron Burr.

Actually, i believe you have said those words GE, or if not those exactly, then I am paraphrasing. But for the sake of a nicer thread ill say &quot;whoops, maybe not.&quot;

However, rather than bicker about Adam Smith, i'd like to concentrate on your first two paragraphs.
First, I realize you haven't place the race card *in this thread*.
Second, why HAVE you toned down the vulgarity? (not that im complaining)
Third, here is my question--do you only vote LP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I dont reject him&#8230;simply his opposition to protectionism.<br />
Just like I like Hamilton&#8217;s protectionist support, but not the way he killed Aaron Burr.</p>
	<p>Actually, i believe you have said those words GE, or if not those exactly, then I am paraphrasing. But for the sake of a nicer thread ill say &#8220;whoops, maybe not.&#8221;</p>
	<p>However, rather than bicker about Adam Smith, i&#8217;d like to concentrate on your first two paragraphs.<br />
First, I realize you haven&#8217;t place the race card <strong>in this thread</strong>.<br />
Second, why <span class="caps">HAVE</span> you toned down the vulgarity? (not that im complaining)<br />
Third, here is my question&#8212;do you only vote LP?</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154264</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 04:03:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154264</guid>
					<description>For one, I'm not using racism anywhere in this thread. I've also toned down the vulgarities.

I'm not trying to discourage people from voting third-party. I have voted third party in the vast majority of races for which there were third-party candidates since I began voting in 1996.

Unlike others, I do not believe you should vote for a candidate because he/she will win. That's idiotic. You vote is your voice. You have to choose how you want your voice to be heard and counted.

I've donated small amounts of money to a lot of candidates. I just did the math; 15 in all over the course of the past three years. 10 of the 15 were third-party or independents. Only 2 of the 15 won. Only one or two additional had any realistic chance of winning.

I've you understand Adam Smith, then you reject him. He was an opponent of mercantlism, a creed to which you profess your faith.

Also, it is typically low class to quote me saying words I've never said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>For one, I&#8217;m not using racism anywhere in this thread. I&#8217;ve also toned down the vulgarities.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not trying to discourage people from voting third-party. I have voted third party in the vast majority of races for which there were third-party candidates since I began voting in 1996.</p>
	<p>Unlike others, I do not believe you should vote for a candidate because he/she will win. That&#8217;s idiotic. You vote is your voice. You have to choose how you want your voice to be heard and counted.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve donated small amounts of money to a lot of candidates. I just did the math; 15 in all over the course of the past three years. 10 of the 15 were third-party or independents. Only 2 of the 15 won. Only one or two additional had any realistic chance of winning.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve you understand Adam Smith, then you reject him. He was an opponent of mercantlism, a creed to which you profess your faith.</p>
	<p>Also, it is typically low class to quote me saying words I&#8217;ve never said.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-154249</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 03:41:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh my. I'm quite sorry if my lazy typing skills have a tendency to make menial errors. However,let's address the bigger misuse.

You, using racism, prejudice, and vulgarity to try and disparage people from voting third party (because in your words &quot;Only democrats and republicans will win&quot;).

Oh,and in case you didn't realize, i'm quite well read.
You've read Adam Smith.
I've read Adam Smith and understood it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh my. I&#8217;m quite sorry if my lazy typing skills have a tendency to make menial errors. However,let&#8217;s address the bigger misuse.</p>
	<p>You, using racism, prejudice, and vulgarity to try and disparage people from voting third party (because in your words &#8220;Only democrats and republicans will win&#8221;).</p>
	<p>Oh,and in case you didn&#8217;t realize, i&#8217;m quite well read.<br />
You&#8217;ve read Adam Smith.<br />
I&#8217;ve read Adam Smith and understood it.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-153372</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Apr 2007 06:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-153372</guid>
					<description>Yes, because white people are stupid. No, it has more with your apparently poor reading comprehension and your routine misuse of your/you're.

Protectionism is the cruelest, most regressive, most anti-growth, and most big-government form of taxation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yes, because white people are stupid. No, it has more with your apparently poor reading comprehension and your routine misuse of your/you&#8217;re.</p>
	<p>Protectionism is the cruelest, most regressive, most anti-growth, and most big-government form of taxation.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-153089</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:46:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>White*</description>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-153086</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 22:44:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-153086</guid>
					<description>Illiterate? Hmmm, and how am I illiterate GE?
Or is this one of those &quot;he's whitew so he is stupid&quot; things?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Illiterate? Hmmm, and how am I illiterate GE?<br />
Or is this one of those &#8220;he&#8217;s whitew so he is stupid&#8221; things?</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-152426</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Apr 2007 01:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/03/27/jefferson-republican-party-boycotts-bank-of-america/#comment-152426</guid>
					<description>I'm a capitalist who knows how to read and write. Unlike the functional illiterate who posted above me.</description>
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