Thank you for the response. Signing off…..

James

Thank you for the response. Perhaps I wasn’t clear enough in my answer. Certainly, what God says in the Bible settles it for time and eternity. However, if something is not expressly spelled out in the Bible, we need to look to what is laid out and apply it to the circumstance at hand. Example: The Bible doesn’t say “Do not let your lawnmower clippings blow into your neighbor’s yard. ” Or “Do not let your dog bark by your neighbor’s bedroom window at 2:00 in the morning.” However, the command to “Love your neighbor as yourself” would indicate that you should not do something that you would not like to be done to yourself, therefore you should not blow your grass clippings into his yard, or let your dog bark at his bedroom window at 2:00 in the morning. Likewise, the Bible does not say “Thou shalt not beat your wife with the broomstick.” Do I therefore have freedom to do it? No, because the Bible commands me to love my wife, and give honor unto her as the weaker vessel, and to love and cherish her. (Not saying that I would like to beat her anyway, but just to prove my point. ) So when the Bible says something specifically, we need to say, “Yes, that is true and right. Thus sayeth the Lord.” When the Bible isn’t specific on a certain matter, we need to look at the principles and apply them to the case at hand.
As far as your statement that “We cannot force beliefs onto America.”, we do all the time. (And rightfully so.) We have laws against murder, rape, theft, perjury, etc.etc. So we do (and should) have laws which reflect God’s principles.

Thank you-

James Niemela

You hit the nail on the head. You “think” scripture indicates it. I am a literalist. I do not think because then it is me and not God. Weather I believe a child or a women should vote is not the issue. Personally I believe in one family one vote. However. I cannot force what is Gods into the realm of that which is Cesar’s. If God ordains the government then whoever rules over us is exactly who God intends. God uses human stupidity to fulfill his ultimate desires. So where we fail to agree is not in principle but in application. America is a Republic a Nation of laws. So thus we cannot circumvent our constitution to fit our biblical beliefs. This is why good Christians are commanded to be civilly obedient. Man does not command a women to vote. You can be a good Christian family by only sending the man to vote. Do you see what I mean. You have a right to be biblically correct which I agree you are. But you cannot demand Cesar to follow God’s rules. Which takes us to another reason why we will not agree. I believe in free will. And forced faith is not free will. I believe Jesus died for ALL not just a select few. But God already knows who will accept him and reject him. So I am not saying scripturally you are wrong. That is why I needed you to prove your stance first. But you would have to provide a verse that says God forbids it in Caesar’s realm to prove your point. A women not running for office is America’s burden to bear. You do not have to let a women run or vote for a women if you do not want to. Do you understand what I am getting at. We cannot force beliefs onto America. But we still have the right to practice our beliefs and we should. Hope this helps. But Cody and Trent are free to believe what they want just as you are free to believe in headship which is certainly biblical. But Paul also commands us via the Holy Spirit to submit to the civil authorities. Until man takes your right to worship and follow the Bible away you are free to not vote for a women.

Thank you. If you are looking for a direct Scriptural quote that says, “Women cannot be involved in any way in the political/civil process”, you will not find one. Just like there is no Scriptural quote that says, “You shall not use forceps to tear a baby apart in the womb.” However, the Scriptural implications are, I believe, clear on both issues. The Bible indicates the value of human life, and how God is the Creator of life, and how life is to be protected. Likewise, I believe Scripture is clear on the God-ordained headship order. Christ, man, woman, and then children. You stated God is no respecter of persons, and that is true. The Bible says it. Do you then feel children should be able to vote? If not, why not? Why should they be denied the “right” to be involved in the political process? You may bring up Deborah in the Bible; the Israelites also wanted a king, and God consented to their request/demands. But it was not to their blessing. I can’t recall the exact place in Scripture where it says it, but I remember a reference in the Bible which speaks of children being their oppressors, and women ruling over them. I hope this answers you where I am coming from. If we are still in disagreement, I fear we will never come to agreement. If I am wrong, please show me from Scripture where I am wrong. Thank you-

Regards,

James Niemela

Ooooohhhhhh, James! Such hypocracy! Tsk! Tsk! Tsk!

Dear Chris,

Could you explain how Romans 13 and 1st Peter deal with the above stated issues (Property rights, Constitution, States’ Rights, American Sovereignty)? Certainly, you have the right to advocate for them what does God say about them? Do you have the right to force them on America? By whose authority do you determine that property rights, Constitution, states rights, and American sovereignty are political/civil issues, but the issue of Biblical headship is outside the political/civil realm? Is God only over the church? Is He not also over politics, and over everything? We need to make some sense of this or we cannot debate it. If our worldviews are not in agreement, we cannot ever come to agreement, and all our words are for naught.

James Niemela

How juvenile of you. =)
You should do the “nanna nanna boo boo” thing…that one gets ‘em every time!

James, none of the issues listed on Chris’ website NEED to come from God. They are government affairs, political matters. The truth is, Women holding office is a civil issue also. But you say it is a spiritual matter, so Chris is being a man,and fighting you on your own ground.
Furthermore, you failed to answer Chris’ question still.

James

-Cody

=Could you stop doing the same thing too James? No one likes a hypocrite.

=Look whose talking.

BTW I accept your apology. We have to make sure our intentions are clear. This is why I am usually so blunt.