CP National Committee Meeting In Boise Report: Part 1

While I was not able to attend the Constitution Party’s National Committee meeting in Boise, Idaho- Louisiana CP State Chairman and Third Party Watch blogger, Trent Hill is currently there and reported that the unofficial CP affiliate in Indiana, and the reorganized Constitution Parties in Arkansas, New York, and Ohio have all been officially recognized as official state affiliates of the national Constitution Party.
It was also reported that Gen. Charles Jones of the National Veterans Coalition has drafted Jerome Corsi, co-author of Unfit for Command, to seek the Party’s nomination as the Constitution Party’s Presidential candidate for 2008.
And I have heard that Mr. Corsi has agreed to be nominated.

More details of the meeting and Saturday’s session will be forthcoming.

67 Responses to “CP National Committee Meeting In Boise Report: Part 1”

  1. Doctor Paul Wayne Snyder, PhD Says:

    Do not blindly depend on Citizens For A Better Veterans Home on a review of the Constitutional Party’s [so called] National Veterans Coalition!
    Six talking points and NOT ONE dealing with abused and neglected former military and or their families!

  2. Trent Hill Says:

    Super. We don’t need the support of Citizens For a Better Veterans Home and its six members.

    I’ll bet you STILL haven’t called Brigadier General Charles Jones have you?

  3. Doctor Paul Wayne Snyder, PhD Says:

    Called him months ago, he has not return such!
    About those six talking points…..

  4. Chris Says:

    Off topic: Doesn’t the PhD appended to your name imply the “Doctor” at the beginning? Why the redundancy? The only people I have ever known who called themselves “Doctor So And So, PhD” either had degrees in education (I don’t know why) or no accredited degree at all.

    I’m not saying that is the case, but that is the impression.

  5. Trent Hill Says:

    “Doctor” Paul Wayne Snyder,

    What about the six points? They meant as a focal point for bringing veterans into the CP,after which they will (hopefully) be introduced to the other idea of the CP, and will be educated on the constitution (if not already so).

  6. Trent Hill Says:

    “Louisiana CP State Chairman and Third Party Watch blogger, Trent Hill”

    Technical correction – I am not State Chairman. I am State Contact.

  7. Brandon H. Says:

    Jerome Corsi, though he would not be a bad candidate, consider the following poll of potential CP candidates:
    http://www.constitutionparty.com/surveys/index.php?sid=2

    While I am not sure what the chances of some of those leading candidates actually accepting the nomination if it were offered to them, Corsi is in last place in these polls.

  8. matt Says:

    I don’t know very much about Corsi, but in view of the book he wrote during the ‘04 election cycle, the question of whether or not he is a republican hack is very relevant.

  9. Trent Hill Says:

    None of the congressmen, Tancredo, Paul, or Hunter would cross over. They aren’t realistic at all.
    Howard Phillips and Rick Jore both will not run. Rick Jore because he needs to keep his MONTANA House Seat, and Phillips has declined to run again.
    Which leaves:
    Alan Keyes
    Roy Moore
    Chuck Baldwin
    Jim Gilchrist
    Jerome Corsi

    Alan Keyes, I suspect, will cross-over…but only if our party will support him. I’v seen alot of things from him that suggest he is excellent issues, however he also has said MANY things I disagree with. I would be willing to put him in the VP position…but not President.

    Roy Moore, too religious. He comes off as a theocrat. I wont vote for a Theocrat.

    Chuck Baldwin is an INCREDIBLE man, whom I had an opportunity to spend some time with. I would also support him for VP. He is brilliant on the issues and cuts quite a figure. However, he has his hands full with his talk show, his state party, his exec duties, and other things. Most importantly, he doesnt have the money or the name recognition that is needed.

    Jim Gilchrist rejoined the REPs,and would be met with alot of angry faces in the CP. Another possibility for VP.

    Jerome Corsi has name recognition, conservative background, is right on the issues, has money, is joining the race/party early. I agree he isnt Ron Paul or anything, but that was never going to happen. Jerome Corsi is the caliber candidate we need to be searching for.

    As for Don Grundman, he is a nice guy with a few ohk ideas. But he is our Gene Chapman, he cannot present himself well.
    A few other names have been tossed at me, including Jim Clymer, Thom Holmes, Mary Starrett, and Bryan Malatesta—Wonderful people ALL of them. I had dinner with all of the above just Saturday night, but they have neither name recognition, nor money. If we ever want to break out of the box, we have to court those with influence.
    My opinion—The only way to do that is to win more state legislative races. Stop funneling $700,000 into Presidential campaigns, when we could easily put 20 CPers into State Leg office with that amount.

    I love the Constitution Party, but unless there is a legitimate grassroots effort in favor of us (which I dont forsee, but could happen, and im trying to stir stuff up) or a BIG name candidate, we will never cross the 5% threshold (number needed for Federal Matching Funds).
    I sincerely hope im wrong.

    For now, Jerome Corsi is our best option. And indeed he is not a bad one at all. He has more money and name recognition than Peroutka. The only problem he, he isnt a clear front-runner. Should Alan Keyes join the race, this could down to the wire.

  10. Cody Quirk Says:

    Technical correction – I am not State Chairman. I am State Contact.

    =If you’re heading the Louisiana CP, you’re unofficialy it’s state chairman.

  11. Cody Quirk Says:

    Called him months ago, he has not return such!
    About those six talking points…..

    =Just like when Gene Chapman tried contacting the CP, how comparable.

  12. SovereignMN Says:

    Trent Hill says: “we will never cross the 5% threshold (number needed for Federal Matching Funds).”

    I hope that if/when the CP does qualify for the Federal Matching Funds that we will refuse it. How could we be trusted to limit federal spending to its prescribed constitutional limits if we’re willing to accept unconstitutional money?

    Your idea about putting resources into local races instead of an unwinnable Presidential bid is a good one. I would also concur. The problem though is that in order to attract the average Joe to your party you need to have someone at the top. When trying to recruit new people to the party they inevitably ask “Who is your Presidential candidate?”. They don’t ask “Who’s running for city council in Peoria, IL?” It’s the old chicken/egg debate.

  13. Chris Campbell Says:

    Trent, have a little faith and less triangulation methods. I am pulling for Gilchrist or Baldwin. Keyes has said he will leave the GOP kennel if they nominate an openly Pro-homo, Pro-abort.

    I guess actions-and lack thereof-of the last 6 yrs of a GOP Congress and GOp White House are not enough for him. (and other opportunities in the past). Apparently, he is going to stay in said kennel until someone on the GOP podium actually mouths platitudes. Never mind the actions/inactions, eh?

    No one in GOP will do that anytime soon, as they are great at playing to the Christian, “values” votes and largely disentangling actions/works from words, pretty as they are to purchase the voter.

    I left the GOP when I realized no actions were forthcoming and I was largely being used in a good cop/bad cop charade between Federal Reserve puppets Republican and Democrat.

    Some people have in the political arena what amounts to the battered wife syndrome, whereas the spouse (GOP) gives you some flowers, cheap chocolate and then smacks you around, only to repeat steps soon thereafter.

    Paul would be nice, not really seeing that happen, but we can hope. In the meantime, will stick with those that have committed and been there for the CP.

  14. Chris Campbell Says:

    We also need to hammer home about the Fed and its relationship to the NWO and the debt. A good movie is Russo’s, trying now to burn several copies and hand them out. It is an eye opener for many and a topic we need to hammer on in CP.

  15. Sean Scallon Says:

    I had a discussion once with Ben Manski, who’s an organizer for the Greens in my home state of Wisconsin about the utility of running a presidential campaign when you know you’re probably not going surpass one million votes. He told me that even losing presidential camapign from a non-major party standpoint is still a great way to to build party ID, membership, keep the state parties ballot status. Presidential campaigns are what separate the non-majors from being legitimate parties or just another sect.

    What the CP has to do is to find someone who has the resources to put some of their own money into the campaign to free up monies to help elect state legislators or other local office holders next year. Corsi may very well be that kind of person although to me it really doesn’t matter who the CP nominates so long as it’s not Alan Keyes.

  16. Cody Quirk Says:

    I hope that if/when the CP does qualify for the Federal Matching Funds that we will refuse it. How could we be trusted to limit federal spending to its prescribed constitutional limits if we’re willing to accept unconstitutional money?

    =Ok if you want to slit your throut and passed up such opportunities, that’s your choice.

  17. Cody Quirk Says:

    Chris,

    Gilchrist went back to the GOP and he endorsed a Libertarian candidate over our candidate for Calif. Governor. He is a traitor and if he tries to get the nomination, I and the AIP will firmly oppose his nomination.

    And it appears Corsi likely is going to be our candidate for Prez.

  18. Cody Quirk Says:

    -I’m well aware of the possible unconstitutioness of our currency, but if we’re going to behave in a purist manner on any kind of opportunity we get, we minus well join the Family Values Party.

  19. Bri Says:

    Chris Campbell Says:
    We also need to hammer home about the Fed and its relationship to the NWO and the debt. A good movie is Russo’s, trying now to burn several copies and hand them out. It is an eye opener for many and a topic we need to hammer on in CP.

    Chris-

    How were you able to get a copy of America: Freedom to Fascism? I haven’t been able to find one that my DVD burner will copy. I only have the $25 version from Aaron Russo’s website.

    Bri

  20. SovereignMN Says:

    Cody said: “Ok if you want to slit your throut and passed up such opportunities, that’s your choice.”

    So if the mob came up to you and offered you $100,000 you’d take it? If a porn producer offered to put $1MM into your party you’d have no problem accepting it?

    I would hope that the Constitution Party stands for more than the almighty dollar.

  21. SovereignMN Says:

    Cody says: “I’m well aware of the possible unconstitutioness of our currency, but if we’re going to behave in a purist manner on any kind of opportunity we get, we minus well join the Family Values Party.”

    If we are going to have a platform that is purist when it comes to federal spending then we need to abide by it with our actions. If we can’t turn down a buck when we haven’t been elected how can we be trusted to do the same once in power?

  22. Cody Quirk Says:

    If we are going to have a platform that is purist when it comes to federal spending then we need to abide by it with our actions. If we can’t turn down a buck when we haven’t been elected how can we be trusted to do the same once in power?

    “there are good compromises and bad compromises. A good compromise is one that moves you toward your objective. A bad compromise is one that moves you away from your objective.”

    -That was taught by Howard Phillips. Accepting millions of dollars that could go into CP organization, advertising and campaigning would take us towards our objectives.

  23. Trent Hill Says:

    SovereignMN,

    For the record, there is no Constitution Party plank against Public Funding. Now, obviously most/all of it oppose it because it costs the taxpayer money,and goes directly into political parties that that taxpayer may heavily disagree with. However…it is a catch 22. We cant abolish these Public funding laws until we get into office. We cant get into office without accepting public funding.
    I’d LIKE to be able to say we wouldn’t accept Federal Funding. But we will be putting ourselves at even MORE of a disadvantage. For the record, I would vote against accepting Federal Funding, I think it would give us a grassroots advantage. And if we are getting 5%, we are probably capable of raising more than Federal Funding anyways.

    “Trent, have a little faith and less triangulation methods. I am pulling for Gilchrist or Baldwin. Keyes has said he will leave the GOP kennel if they nominate an openly Pro-homo, Pro-abort.”
    Keyes might very well leave the GOP, but he has to prove he can improve our party. Not just USE its nomination. We aren’t interested in lending out our nomination to GOP-losers. He’d also have to justify his reparations statements to me personally.
    Baldwin is an EXCELLENT guy, and I hope he’ll be somewhere on the ticket.

    Cody,

    Gilchrist supported a Libertarian candidate for Governor over the AIP. So what? There are some cases where I would support an LP over a CP candidate. Now…they are far and few between, but they exist.

  24. JR Says:

    How is getting more people on the federal dole getting us closer toward our objective of getting less people on the federal dole? Sort of counter-intuitive don’t you think?

    JR

  25. Cody Quirk Says:

    How is getting less people on the federal dole getting us closer toward our objective of getting even less people on the federal dole?

  26. Cody Quirk Says:

    Trent, thanks for pointing that out in the platform.
    When Gilchrist endorsed Art Olivier over Ed Noonan AND went back to the GOP, he lost any credibility with the AIP and also the CP and he lost my respect.

    I also heard Gilchrist has been causing problems within the Minutemen Project. Which tells me this guy aint gonna be our candidate for President next year.

  27. Trent Hill Says:

    JR,

    If you are going to look at it from an absolutionist view…then I won’t bother explaining. ANYONE, even those against accepting federal funding(like me), can see the catch 22 here.

    Cody,

    He won’t be our candidate.
    A.)He left the party. Doesn’t automatically discount him…but not good.
    B.)He endorsed Art Olivier over Ed Noonan. Art is pro-choice, pro-gay marriage. Bad news.
    C.)His Minuteman Project is experiencing problems, he is tied up there. For the record,he wasn’t causing the problems, his board tried to take over the Project—the Judge gave him his organization back.
    D.)Most importantly, Gilchrist isn’t good on all the issues. He is excellent on immigration…and that is basically it.
    Personally, I’d like to see Chris Simcox (who spoke to the meeting Friday Night,and has offered help on multiple occasions) as our Veep.

  28. Cody Quirk Says:

    Hmmmmmm.

    If it’s going to be Corsi for sure, then I would like to see Simcox as his running mate.

    And Noonan was a better candidate then Olivier, In my opinion.

  29. JR Says:

    No explanation necessary … this has been a source of internal debate for at least the last ten years.

  30. Trent Hill Says:

    Im not saying he wasn’t. Iv met Noonan,great guy. But im saying there are certain situations where I would endorse an LP over a CP.

    Corsi, i like alot. He doesnt have AS MUCH name recognition as Keyes, or as much money.
    But he is sound on the issues.

  31. Chris Fluharty Says:

    I agree with Trent that we need to fund local candidates that can make a change. Jore is a very powerful man in that state. The party will grow with action and education of issues. Here in Missouri we have grown nicely without a prez. Candidate. Why? Because of the issues. Just this weekend a illegal Alien killed a Missourian in a drunk driving accident. People want to know what is going to be done. Had we a chuck of that 700,000 we could run a state rep in a rural county and win.

    my 2 cents on the candidate issue is first. I do not think it is wise to take federal dollars. We would be cutting our hamstrings instead of our throats. Public perception is politics and we’d look to hypocritical. I think when Trent and Cody get a little older and been around the block a few more times they will see just how important public perception is.

    I do not know Corsi well enough yet. He has a lot of time however to make himself known to the party faithful. I would not however vote for Keyes because he has had his chance to leave sooner and has not. Gilchrist is not a true conservative. Baldwin does not have the time. I have a much smaller church then he does and I can barely find the time now. Moores name recognition has dropped a lot. He had his chance when he ran for Gov to switch and he did not. So he should have done the right thing then. If he would have changed I would have voted for him. He is not a theocrat. Far from in fact. He just knows where law came from. That is a big difference. He does not advocate legislating issues like sabbath observance and no women in politics.

    Even if Paul would change over I do not want a fair weather friend. So the GOP can keep him and the others.

    Those of you who know where Corsi stands on the issues please post them sop we can search him out.

  32. Andy Says:

    “Trent Hill Says:

    April 23rd, 2007 at 1:13 pm
    SovereignMN,

    For the record, there is no Constitution Party plank against Public Funding.”

    If the Constitution Party was really going to follow the Constitution they would oppose public funding of political campaigns since this is prohibited by the Constitution.

    “Now, obviously most/all of it oppose it because it costs the taxpayer money,and goes directly into political parties that that taxpayer may heavily disagree with. However…it is a catch 22. We cant abolish these Public funding laws until we get into office. We cant get into office without accepting public funding.”

    I remember back in 2000 that Pat Buchanan accepted public funding and he recieved several million dollars. His vote total was still pretty low as he barely got more votes than Libertarian Presidential candidate Harry Browne.

  33. Cody Quirk Says:

    I would endorse an LP over a CP.

    =In cases like Marvin Richardson, or Pat Buchanan over Howard Phillips- I can understand that. But I prefered Ed over Art- Art was only pretending to be Pro-Borders in my book.

  34. Cody Quirk Says:

    I also remember seeing commercial after commercial of Pat Buchanan for President advertisments on the TV and he received a LOT of recognition from the media then.

    The only reason why he didn’t do so well was because conservatives desperately wanted Bush to win, they were sick of Democrat rule and formed a united front to elect him. Of course many here regret doing that, including me.
    Another factor possibly was how Buchanan and Phillips split the conservative third-party vote.

    Think about it.

  35. david Says:

    I strongly feel the side shows and various ill fated alliances Pat and Bay made (such as Fullainni) to get control of the Reform party and its federal funds were serious mistakes and diverted much effort from his campaign. He would have been much better off in 2000 running a principled campaign that would have built up a party than trying to take over the joke of a reform party – of course his health problems during the most important time of the campaign can not be over empasized either. Pat made a decision in 2000 to do the pragmatic thing and go for the federal funds rather than the right thing and run as a constitution party candidate In my experience in politics pragmatism doesn’t work

  36. Trent Hill Says:

    “I think when Trent and Cody get a little older and been around the block a few more times they will see just how important public perception is.”

    I already noted that I would NOT accept federal funding in that case. Im just saying there is a case to be made for that circumstance (the catch-22).

    “I would not however vote for Keyes because he has had his chance to leave sooner and has not.”
    I will say this, although I am not overly impressed with Keyes—He apparently has plans to come over in mass, and bring all of his supporters with him. That shows he intends to stay.

    “He does not advocate legislating issues like sabbath observance and no women in politics.”
    That is all well and good. But he opposes Gay Marriage and Abortion based on scriptural grounds. To me, he needs to be able to advocate a pro-life position based on the facts, rather than the scripture. Doesn’t mean I wouldn’t support his candidacy though.

    “Even if Paul would change over I do not want a fair weather friend. So the GOP can keep him and the others.”
    I think this demonstrates “Party over principle”. Paul is right on all the issues. Has money. Has name recognition. He is a tireless worker against big government, and upholds constitutional law. He isn’t a fair-weather friend…in fact he has been a friend to Constitutional Governance longer than you’ve known of it.

    “Those of you who know where Corsi stands on the issues please post them sop we can search him out.”
    All we have on Corsi right now are his writings. His three books and hundreds of articles on WorldNetDaily

  37. Michael Says:

    Pat Buchanan should have either run as a Republican or skipped the 2000 race. It would have given him credibility for a run in 2008.

  38. Andy Says:

    “Michael Says:

    April 23rd, 2007 at 6:16 pm
    Pat Buchanan should have either run as a Republican or skipped the 2000 race. It would have given him credibility for a run in 2008.”

    Pat Buchanan ran in the Republican Presidential primaries in 1992 and in 1996.

  39. Kn@ppster Says:

    Corsi?

    Um … wow. Are you that hard up for a candidate?

    Then again, it looks like Biden is an also-ran for the Dem nomination, so at least the key pro-plagiarism voting bloc wouldn’t be split.

  40. Chris Fluharty Says:

    I oppose abortion rights and homosexual marriage because of the Bible but that does not make me a theocrat either. I am hated by the theocrats. However I do know how to oppose those issues constitutionally as well. Beside you can only oppose homosexual marriage biblically because marriage is a religious issue not a civil one. It was not until they found a way to tax marriage did they make it civil. But that is neither here nor there. No group deserves special rights.

    I have not seen enough from Keyes to show me he wants to stay. He is a good man but should have left the GOP a long time ago. Just my opinion.

    I want to grow this party on integrity. Running a reject would not do well for reputation. I know Paul’s past and what he stands for. But I have problems with his voting record and his Libertarian past. If he was such a tireless worker for the end of big government his voting record would reflect it and it does not. He is a GOPer through and through. So it is principle over politics for me. But we have a freedom to disagree. My opinion is not any more valuable then yours. I respect how you feel towards him.

  41. Andy Says:

    “Kn@ppster Says:

    April 23rd, 2007 at 8:55 pm
    Corsi?

    Um … wow. Are you that hard up for a candidate?

    Then again, it looks like Biden is an also-ran for the Dem nomination, so at least the key pro-plagiarism voting bloc wouldn’t be split.”

    What plagiarism are you talking about?

  42. Trent Hill Says:

    His Libertarian past?

    ....His libertarian present and future you mean. There is nothing, absolutely NOTHING wrong with a libertarian like Ron Paul, and our committee would accept him by a LARGE percentage. Even people like Randy Stufflebeam and Bryan Malatesta, who totally oppose an “outsider” for our nomination, agree that Ron Paul would be acceptable.
    I’m not saying it is wrong to oppose Abortion or Gay marriage on biblical grounds…but the public at large doesn’t want to hear how you are against Gay Marriage because of ThisScripture or ThatScripture, they want to hear why it doesn’t make SENSE, and why it isn’t feasible.

    Kn@ppster,

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    You’re making fun of OUR premier candidate? You’re promoting a BROKE candidate, with NO name recognition, who is often hampered by his PAROLE?
    Im not sure where you got this info that Corsi plagiarised, i’v heard nothing of it. I DO know that he had a number 1 best selling book, and another top ten best seller. He also has name recognition amongst conservatives, and has money to fund his own campain (as opposed to Kubby). I can gaurantee you Corsi will have a full campaign staff, Kubby has YOU.
    We all play nice until you come in here looking down on people. =)

  43. Chris Fluharty Says:

    That just shiows the party is growing Trent. We acyually have to debate who the best choice is for our party. In the past they just picked them. Good problem to have. I persoanlly cannot support him based on voting record but that is me.

  44. Trent Hill Says:

    Id say it is also due in large part to alot of people not knowing that he is pro-life,but only on the state level, and that he is FOR legalizing drugs.
    There are actually more people who agree with him in the CP than I thought there would be…but still not many.

  45. matt Says:

    Altough I’m a libertarian, I’m a big fan of the Constitition party. They get a lot of things right, and a whole lot of good people run for office on their ticket.

    95% of those people have more business on a presidential ticket than Jerome Corsi.

    Name recognition and personal wealth are not the only factors to consider.

    The CP has elevated it’s profile considerably since 04, and only the worst sort of debacle could prevent them from breaking the 1% barrier. Jerome Corsi, if he repeats past behavior, could be that debacle. Even worse, he could ruin the party’s good name.

    http://www.nndb.com/people/244/000059067/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Corsi

  46. Trent Hill Says:

    I would suppose this is concerning his posts on the FreeRepublic website,which I just found myself. Certainly this paints a bad picture in my eyes.
    While those posts dont disqualify him in my eyes…they are certainly inflammatory. I think it is interesting,however, to note that although wikipedia and Media Matters for Amerca say that he is anti-catholic, he is a catholic himself. The statements werent anti-catholic, but anti-john kerry.
    However…either way. He now has even more to prove to me.

    So far we’ve got Don Grundman, Jerome Corsi, and Alan Keyes.
    PLLLLLLEASE RON PAUL? SWITCH OVER TO OUR SIDE! IM BEGGING YOU.

    In like of Jerome Corsi’s bad comments, i’d still support him for VEEP. Course…i’d support anyone with money, name recognition, and a DECENT history for VEEP. That is basically all it is for.

  47. Kn@ppster Says:

    Andy and Trent,

    Google the words “Corsi” and “plagiarism” if you want to inform yourselves on that.

    While Corsi has more name recognition than Kubby, both have some, Kubby’s ratio of positive name rec to negative is almost certainly much higher than Corsi’s, and neither of them is a household name.

    Kubby is not, and never has been, on “parole.”

  48. matt Says:

    Corsi plagarism charges here:

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/archives/2006/02/swift_boat_auth.html

    Corsi racial/religious/cultural slurs here:

    http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2005/update021105.html

    Some of it might be made up. It’s certainly been blown out of proportion by certain segments of the left. All of it can’t be false, however, and in any case, the guy certainly comes off looking awful and will make your party look awful by extension.

  49. Angela Wittman Says:

    “Trent Hill Says:

    “April 21st, 2007 at 5:53 pm
    “Super. We don’t need the support of Citizens For a Better Veterans Home and its six members.

    “I’ll bet you STILL haven’t called Brigadier General Charles Jones have you?”

    Dear Trent,

    In previous posts I excused your insubordination due to your age, but this type of response to Doctor Paul Wayne Snyder, PhD is totally uncalled for. With your representation of the Constitution Party, Mr. Corsi will have a hard time getting support for his campaign.

  50. Cody Quirk Says:

    Angela,

    Why are you acting like a hypocrite? Don’t you know hypocracy is unchristian?

    And why come to the aid of someone that thinks the CP is still a theocratic party? Maybe you’re not who you say you are.

  51. Cody Quirk Says:

    And Mr. Corsi will trump Peroutka’s 2004 candidacy. Mark my words.

  52. Trent Hill Says:

    Knapp,

    No, Corsi’s name is MUCH better known than Kubby’s. Here is Louisiana he is known far and wide, because all of his books were popular here. I know the same is true in alot of conservative states.
    Also, you didn’t mention the money.

    Matt,

    The Plagiarism charges, while serious, are a small blemish on an otherwise good record. He plagiarizd one article, and later apologized and posted a link. I’v done this before…read an article, and then subconsciously siphoned the information (in some cases pretty close to the original wording) into my article. To tell you the truth, I don’t think that is what happened. Be assured, however, that I will question him about this.

    As for the comments he has made, I didn’t find any of them to be anti-semtic, and i am indeed sensitive on that subject. He DID ask wether John Kerry was Jewish or not (this was meant as an attack on his catholicism, because he is not pro-life). His comments on catholicism are pretty irrelevant, considering he IS catholic. He issues an apology saying that the comments were meant to be satirical and conflict-provoking on the forums.
    This blog gets pretty heavy sometimes too. And if GE ran for Senate in Ohio or something 5 years from now, virtually no one would hold internet postings from half a decade ago against him.
    However, this means to me that he perhaps can’t hold himself up in a debate without name calling. It is important to me that our presidential candidate be articulate and composed.

    Once again I say—im glad he is in our race…it steps up the level of competition. Once Alan Keyes jumps in we will have a true race.

  53. matt Says:

    Well, I’m done bashing him for now. We’ll see what happens. Hopefully good things, rather than bad things, will happen.

  54. Andy Says:

    “He DID ask wether John Kerry was Jewish or not (this was meant as an attack on his catholicism, because he is not pro-life).”

    Aren’t Jews SUPPOSED to be pro-life as well? Afterall, “Thou shall not kill.” comes from the Ten Commandmants which is from the Old Testament. So it would seem that the Jews who actually follow the Old Testament (or Torah) and are not hypocrites would be pro-life.

  55. Trent Hill Says:

    I believe they are, ya.

    But the leaders of Judaism are not as forceful in their opposition to abortion, as catholic leaders are.

  56. Chris Fluharty Says:

    I have not met to many pro life Jews. In fact there is a national group called Hadassah that pretends to be a women’s health group but really promote abortion. SO that maybe why the Jews do not get the reputation of pro life.

  57. Andy Says:

    “Chris Fluharty Says:

    April 24th, 2007 at 8:56 pm
    I have not met to many pro life Jews.”

    Well this only means that they are hypocrites. Either that or they are just ethnic Jews but do not follow the religion, or more specifically, the 10 Commandments.

  58. Chris Fluharty Says:

    I would say the latter. But here in AMerica it is getting harder to tell the difference. Like all faiths there are good and bad followers.. Faithful and hypocrites in all as well. But OT law has punishments for those who cause harm to an unborn child. SO I doubt faithful Jews are pro death.

  59. Timm Knibbs Says:

    Although Paul has stated that he would not run as a third party candidate, I do not think you can rule that out. He would have the support of several minor parties if he did.
    I personally am supporting Paul no matter what he runs as. My second choice is a toss up between Corsi and Keyes.

  60. Trent Hill Says:

    Timm,

    Paul has basically brushed away all third party communications. Any Libertarian or Constitution Party people who are interested in talking to him, he ignores.

    This isn’t because he is rude, or because he doesn’t believ ein our movements, he does. But he will be under alot of scrutiny concerning Third Parties. Im willing to say there is a VERY tiny chance he will switch. But don’t bank on it.

  61. Trent Hill Says:

    Sorry. Missed Cody’s statement.

    No, I am not “acting chairman” or any such thing. I am an appointed official, not elected. And I will be happy when I can resign all these responsibilities to a committee.

  62. Chris Campbell Says:

    Bri Says:

    April 23rd, 2007 at 11:02 am
    Chris Campbell Says:
    We also need to hammer home about the Fed and its relationship to the NWO and the debt. A good movie is Russo’s, trying now to burn several copies and hand them out. It is an eye opener for many and a topic we need to hammer on in CP.

    Chris-

    How were you able to get a copy of America: Freedom to Fascism? I haven’t been able to find one that my DVD burner will copy. I only have the $25 version from Aaron Russo’s website.

    Bri

    Bri..
    Someone from Michigan or somewhere sent ome a burnable copy, I have a fellow trying now to do this, he has not the technical know-how to do it easily and so far, do not think he has made much progress. We have 70+ DVD-R discs at hand to start handing them out!!

  63. Chris Campbell Says:

    Cody, did not know this about Gilchrist, though during his run I though he was a little to chummy w/GOPers. Thought maybe he was trying to go after Reagan GOpers. His reception in Tampa was great, sad he turned his back on us.

    Not sure then at this point who I will vote for next year at the nominating convention. Then again, wonder if we will really nominate anyone. My prediction, everyone will jump on the Ron Paul bandwagon, expend a lot of energy and after this crashes, the money and energy will largely be spent.

    Paul likely will not switch over to CP and hence, our candidate will have little time and energy to do much. We in NC will have little time to get the 500+ write in signatures and little time to promote said candidate.

    2008 was looking good for CP, now….......

  64. John Chance Says:

    As far as Buchanan, Lofton and Peroutka nailed it on the head in their shows.

    I would add he is washed up, a has-been, a for-profit GOP critic and I am personally tired of the fawning over him in Catholic circles, esp the Remnant and the like.

    Angela, men are talking about politics and leadership…need I say it again, your posts at TAV and the articles of your allies there are clear..women are to remain silent on everyting and comment on nothing. Please take your own advice, beliefs and OT Calvinism seriously.

  65. John Chance Says:

    ANgela, insubordination?? Did not know Trent or others were in the service. Or are you talking about the God you claim to serve that has no relation to the OT or NT God..you know, the angry SOB that takes pleasure in creating people jsut to throw them into Hell against their wishes, actions, beleifs, etc??

    BTW-who is the AHP going to nominate? If he has dual citizenship, Ian Paisley would be a good one for you all. Or Butch Paugh of WV, curently skulking to drag the CP down, yet again, into the false classsification of a Protestants-only party many of us have worked to get behind us and present the CP as it really is.

    Again, men are talking….........

  66. John Chance Says:

    Andy Says:

    April 24th, 2007 at 6:45 pm
    “He DID ask wether John Kerry was Jewish or not (this was meant as an attack on his catholicism, because he is not pro-life).”

    Aren’t Jews SUPPOSED to be pro-life as well? Afterall, “Thou shall not kill.” comes from the Ten Commandmants which is from the Old Testament. So it would seem that the Jews who actually follow the Old Testament (or Torah) and are not hypocrites would be pro-life.

    Sadly, most Jews are not and many led the Roe vs. Wade charge in the 60’s, including now Christian Bernard Nathanson.

  67. Trent Hill Says:

    “Dear Trent,

    In previous posts I excused your insubordination due to your age, but this type of response to Doctor Paul Wayne Snyder, PhD is totally uncalled for. With your representation of the Constitution Party, Mr. Corsi will have a hard time getting support for his campaign.”

    OHHHHH, I missed this one! Yay, more cannon-fodder.
    I will first talk about your first sentence.
    “In previous posts I excused your insubordination due to your age, but this type of response to Doctor Paul Wayne Snyder, PhD is totally uncalled for.”
    Let me first say that I originally had no problem with “Dr.” Paul Wayne Snyder, however, he has made himself a oneissue person. Whilst he blasts the CP for being a “Pro-life Party”, he is only concerned about the issue of “Veteran’s abuse”. He has shown nothing for contempt for the CP, even though it seems he has not even made an attempt to learn ANYTHING about it. Had he made a real effort to contact anyone in the party, he certainly could have. At this very moment, I could pick up a phone and get in contact with 4/5s of the state chairs, and 4/5s of the Executive Committee, using only Internet-resources (open to everyone). And while he continually lambasted the CP, I never brought up the size of his “organization” until my post on THIS thread. Because as I previously mentioned, I would be surprised to find more than 6 members on the rosters.

    The second sentence:
    “With your representation of the Constitution Party, Mr. Corsi will have a hard time getting support for his campaign.”
    HAHAHA. Im glad you said this, it gives me a chance to show exactly how the LACP is doing. Yesterday I sat down and made about 60 phone calls to our key contacts in the state (and I have to mak 30 more this afternoon). We are having a meeting soon, and although it is a very busy time for everyone—we are going to have quite a group. Amongst those people will be: Two lawyers, and a former judge and PAC leader. I also recieved two endorsements from Former La. Congressmen. I’d say we’ll be doing fine. I look forward to the time when I can step out of the position i’v been shoved into, but for now im making the best of it. We will be running a handful of candidates in ‘08 (although only 1 in ‘07). As for Corsi, i’m not sure if I want him as our Presidential candidate, I have alot of things to explore between now and then, but you ca rest assured that whomever he is will benefit from the LACP’s help. We have a core group of VERY active people, and the ability to reach out to alot more.

    So how IS the AHP of Illinois (Or Indiana, I forget) doing?

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