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	<title>Comments on: No Solution to Rick Jore Recount $$ Problem</title>
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		<title>by: Kurtis Oliverson</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-175090</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 May 2007 15:14:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh, P.S., &quot;wether that is because he is wealthy,or more prone to take big risks, I dont know&quot;:

It is because of neither.  It looks like he spent more on his campaign because more people donated to his campaign than to the other Montana candidates:  http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/candidate.phtml?si=200626&amp;#38;c=424323

This makes sense, because of (1) his national recognition from the previous year's abuse by his opponent and the Montana supreme court and (2) his principled refusal of donations from good people wanting to help him when the court ordered that he pay his opponents' legal bills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh, P.S., &#8220;wether that is because he is wealthy,or more prone to take big risks, I dont know&#8221;:</p>
	<p>It is because of neither.  It looks like he spent more on his campaign because more people donated to his campaign than to the other Montana candidates:  <a href='http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/candidate.phtml?si=200626&#038;c=424323' rel='nofollow'>http://www.followthemoney.org/database/StateGlance/candidate.phtml?si=200626&#038;c=424323</a></p>
	<p>This makes sense, because of (1) his national recognition from the previous year&#8217;s abuse by his opponent and the Montana supreme court and (2) his principled refusal of donations from good people wanting to help him when the court ordered that he pay his opponents&#8217; legal bills.</p>
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		<title>by: Kurtis Oliverson</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-174249</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 16:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ah, I see what you mean, Trent.

The Republican currently holding that senate seat ran for it after having served in the house, though I don't recall whether it was because he was term-limited out.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ah, I see what you mean, Trent.</p>
	<p>The Republican currently holding that senate seat ran for it after having served in the house, though I don&#8217;t recall whether it was because he was term-limited out.</p>
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		<title>by: RWR</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-174103</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 May 2007 09:20:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Trent-

No, I'm reasonably certain that people can bounce from one position to another for as long as they desire, just so it isn't the same position for more than 8 years. I see where the confusion may have started – I said term limits for state &lt;i&gt;legislators&lt;/i&gt; which is true, but the limits are for representatives and senators separately.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Trent-</p>
	<p>No, I&#8217;m reasonably certain that people can bounce from one position to another for as long as they desire, just so it isn&#8217;t the same position for more than 8 years. I see where the confusion may have started &#8211; I said term limits for state <i>legislators</i> which is true, but the limits are for representatives and senators separately.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173815</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 18:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>What I meant was,

He put more money into his campaign than alot of CP candidates can. Now,wether that is because he is wealthy,or more prone to take big risks, I dont know.

So...the term limit thing applies to the entire legislature? He can't run for State Senate next time?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>What I meant was,</p>
	<p>He put more money into his campaign than alot of CP candidates can. Now,wether that is because he is wealthy,or more prone to take big risks, I dont know.</p>
	<p>So&#8230;the term limit thing applies to the entire legislature? He can&#8217;t run for State Senate next time?</p>
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		<title>by: Kurtis Oliverson</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173811</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:56:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Trent, you're right about Rick having name recognition, experience, and already being elected by half of the district, but the money part isn't quite accurate.

He had to take a bank note out on his Caterpillar to pay part of his own legal fees from the Democrats' lawsuit.  Thankfully, a lot of good people from the local community, from the Republican party, from CP National, and from the now TAV group, helped him get his bulldozer out of hock.

Hey, maybe it IS possible for people with differing opinions to be united in a cause!  :^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Trent, you&#8217;re right about Rick having name recognition, experience, and already being elected by half of the district, but the money part isn&#8217;t quite accurate.</p>
	<p>He had to take a bank note out on his Caterpillar to pay part of his own legal fees from the Democrats&#8217; lawsuit.  Thankfully, a lot of good people from the local community, from the Republican party, from <span class="caps">CP </span>National, and from the now <span class="caps">TAV</span> group, helped him get his bulldozer out of hock.</p>
	<p>Hey, maybe it IS possible for people with differing opinions to be united in a cause!  :^)</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173788</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 17:21:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173788</guid>
					<description>&quot;Keyes is a Catholic, the the League is sadly GOP bought territory.

Keyes stated he would leave the GOP (how many times have we heard that one) if the GOP nominates an openly pro-choicer. Guess he missed the many comments by Bush stating he supports exceptions and that he would not touch Roe.&quot;


Keyes is a member of the Catholic league, and your right--it is GOP territory.
Something tells me Keyes is going to bolt though.
And if he could, Michael Novak also sits on that same Board of Directors, and is a good friend of his. Maybe he'd give the CP some coverage?

As for the Senate District, that guy only got 5%, but Rick Jore has name recognition, experience, money, and already got elected by half the district.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Keyes is a Catholic, the the League is sadly <span class="caps">GOP</span> bought territory.</p>
	<p>Keyes stated he would leave the <span class="caps">GOP </span>(how many times have we heard that one) if the <span class="caps">GOP</span> nominates an openly pro-choicer. Guess he missed the many comments by Bush stating he supports exceptions and that he would not touch Roe.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Keyes is a member of the Catholic league, and your right&#8212;it is <span class="caps">GOP</span> territory.<br />
Something tells me Keyes is going to bolt though.<br />
And if he could, Michael Novak also sits on that same Board of Directors, and is a good friend of his. Maybe he&#8217;d give the CP some coverage?</p>
	<p>As for the Senate District, that guy only got 5%, but Rick Jore has name recognition, experience, money, and already got elected by half the district.</p>
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		<title>by: Kurtis Oliverson</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173719</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 15:07:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>RWR, you're right, but the CPer who got the 5% in that senate race had a serious car accident and baby birth (same day), whereby he had to stay home and take care of his injured wife and child in the last weeks leading up to the election.  Perhaps the percentages would have been higher if he had been able to continue campaigning during those critical weeks, but then again, perhaps not.  Only heaven knows.  ;^)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">RWR</span>, you&#8217;re right, but the CPer who got the 5% in that senate race had a serious car accident and baby birth (same day), whereby he had to stay home and take care of his injured wife and child in the last weeks leading up to the election.  Perhaps the percentages would have been higher if he had been able to continue campaigning during those critical weeks, but then again, perhaps not.  Only heaven knows.  ;^)</p>
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		<title>by: John Chance</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173629</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 12:51:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173629</guid>
					<description>Keyes is a Catholic, the the League is sadly GOP bought territory.

Keyes stated he would leave the GOP (how many times have we heard that one) if the GOP nominates an openly pro-choicer. Guess he missed the many comments by Bush stating he supports exceptions and that he would not touch Roe.

6 yrs of little to no action from the good &quot;Christian&quot; GOP President and Congress should be a glaring sign.

Then, some people are more loyal to Party then Principle. I would, if I were on CP Committee, not waste a lot of time with Buchanan or Keyes. They can lead, follow and move out of the way.

Sorry, but I tire of cool aid drinkers and do nothings. I get tired of those of influence that sell out and do not look at works, but just pretty words (sums of Protestants much to often as well).

Chec out the Remnant Newspaper-they complain about any deviation, no matter how slight, but then fawn over Buchanan.

Doubt they would give me the time of day...oh thats right, they have not and ignore my past letters in support of CP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Keyes is a Catholic, the the League is sadly <span class="caps">GOP</span> bought territory.</p>
	<p>Keyes stated he would leave the <span class="caps">GOP </span>(how many times have we heard that one) if the <span class="caps">GOP</span> nominates an openly pro-choicer. Guess he missed the many comments by Bush stating he supports exceptions and that he would not touch Roe.</p>
	<p>6 yrs of little to no action from the good &#8220;Christian&#8221; <span class="caps">GOP </span>President and Congress should be a glaring sign.</p>
	<p>Then, some people are more loyal to Party then Principle. I would, if I were on <span class="caps">CP </span>Committee, not waste a lot of time with Buchanan or Keyes. They can lead, follow and move out of the way.</p>
	<p>Sorry, but I tire of cool aid drinkers and do nothings. I get tired of those of influence that sell out and do not look at works, but just pretty words (sums of Protestants much to often as well).</p>
	<p>Chec out the Remnant Newspaper-they complain about any deviation, no matter how slight, but then fawn over Buchanan.</p>
	<p>Doubt they would give me the time of day&#8230;oh thats right, they have not and ignore my past letters in support of CP.</p>
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		<title>by: RWR</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173429</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 May 2007 02:43:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173429</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;Surely it wouldn’t be TOO difficult to simply run for the Senate District that his current House District is part of,right?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

I don't think it would be difficult at all; his senate district comprises only two house districts. He proved he can win one of those districts by a 10% margin against an incumbent, and the other district voted for the Republican candidate by a 20% margin last time, so they're definitely conservative enough. Similarly, that senate district elected their Republican senator by a 20% margin in 2004, and he is up for re-election in 2008. However, the last CPer to run for that senate seat only took slightly more than 5% of the vote. With all the praise Rick got for his fairness and honesty – even from the most liberal, most mudslinging Democrats – I think people throughout the region will be a little more open to putting a CPer in the Senate.

Montana's term limits are a maximum of 8 years in a 16 year period for state legislators, so he cannot run for re-election until 2010.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>&#8220;Surely it wouldn&#8217;t be <span class="caps">TOO</span> difficult to simply run for the Senate District that his current House District is part of,right?&#8221;</i></p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t think it would be difficult at all; his senate district comprises only two house districts. He proved he can win one of those districts by a 10% margin against an incumbent, and the other district voted for the Republican candidate by a 20% margin last time, so they&#8217;re definitely conservative enough. Similarly, that senate district elected their Republican senator by a 20% margin in 2004, and he is up for re-election in 2008. However, the last CPer to run for that senate seat only took slightly more than 5% of the vote. With all the praise Rick got for his fairness and honesty &#8211; even from the most liberal, most mudslinging Democrats &#8211; I think people throughout the region will be a little more open to putting a CPer in the Senate.</p>
	<p>Montana&#8217;s term limits are a maximum of 8 years in a 16 year period for state legislators, so he cannot run for re-election until 2010.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173276</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:52:26 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I thought it was consecutive too, maybe the info is wrong?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I thought it was consecutive too, maybe the info is wrong?</p>
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		<title>by: Austin Cassidy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173269</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:40:35 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh wow, I didn't realize he was going to be term limited.  Are you sure that applies even if the terms are broken up?  I know here in Florida we have people that bounce back and forth between the Jacksonville City Council and the State Legislature because the term limits are 8 consecutive years.  Some have done the cycle 2-3 times.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh wow, I didn&#8217;t realize he was going to be term limited.  Are you sure that applies even if the terms are broken up?  I know here in Florida we have people that bounce back and forth between the Jacksonville City Council and the State Legislature because the term limits are 8 consecutive years.  Some have done the cycle 2-3 times.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173247</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 18:06:03 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oh,by the way.

To those accusing Alan Keyes of being anti-catholic.

He sits on the Board of Directors for the *Catholic League*
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_League_%28U.S.%29</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Oh,by the way.</p>
	<p>To those accusing Alan Keyes of being anti-catholic.</p>
	<p>He sits on the Board of Directors for the <strong>Catholic League</strong><br />
<a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_League_%28U.S.%29' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_League_%28U.S.%29</a></p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173202</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:34:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I certainly hope he will seek higher office. Surely it wouldn't be TOO difficult to simply run for the Senate District that his current House District is part of,right?
One thing better than an elected State Representative, is an elected State Senator. Hell, he could even ask a fellow CPer to run in his House seat. Surely we could keep it that way...

I didn't know about the term limit thing...I certainly hope Jore will continue to play the role of standard bearer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I certainly hope he will seek higher office. Surely it wouldn&#8217;t be <span class="caps">TOO</span> difficult to simply run for the Senate District that his current House District is part of,right?<br />
One thing better than an elected State Representative, is an elected State Senator. Hell, he could even ask a fellow CPer to run in his House seat. Surely we could keep it that way&#8230;</p>
	<p>I didn&#8217;t know about the term limit thing&#8230;I certainly hope Jore will continue to play the role of standard bearer.</p>
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		<title>by: matt</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173200</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 15:24:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hopefully Jore will seek higher office after he's termed out. If certain scenarios play out, Ithink he might be able to win a three way state level race.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hopefully Jore will seek higher office after he&#8217;s termed out. If certain scenarios play out, Ithink he might be able to win a three way state level race.</p>
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		<title>by: Gary Odom</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/04/30/still-no-solution-to-rick-jore-recount-problem/#comment-173190</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 14:39:42 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The saddest thing is that due to his previous stints in the legislature, Rick will be &quot;termed out&quot; after this term due to Montana's term limits law.

Like Bill Shearer, I'm beginning to wonder if my previous support for term limits for legislative offices was misplaced-not just because of it cutting off Rick Jore's tenure, but just generally.  Oh well, there are many more fish to fry besides re-visiting the term limits issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The saddest thing is that due to his previous stints in the legislature, Rick will be &#8220;termed out&#8221; after this term due to Montana&#8217;s term limits law.</p>
	<p>Like Bill Shearer, I&#8217;m beginning to wonder if my previous support for term limits for legislative offices was misplaced-not just because of it cutting off Rick Jore&#8217;s tenure, but just generally.  Oh well, there are many more fish to fry besides re-visiting the term limits issue.</p>
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