GE,

It is interesting to note that you have avoided Cody’s answer. LAS VEGAS is where the White People’s Party is based. Don’t forget that although the South has a history of racism, most new converts in “white supremacist” organizations are from the Northern States. In Michigan, the “Punk” gangs were created in the late 80’s to combat the Skinheads. Your arguement holds no water.

People dying of lung cancer cost you money. Do you want to ban tobacco? The obesity problem in America is costing you money. Do you want to ban trans-fat and snack foods? Having un-protected sexual encounters creates diseases, out of wedlock babies and abortions which cost you money. Do you want to ban all sex between non-healthy people?

I don’t think you do.

=Vegas.
I’m serious, you can look at their website.

That’s a red herring. At one time, cops could not pull you over in Michigan for not wearing a seat belt. Now, not only can they do that, they can even stop people randomly to SEE if they’re wearing a seatbelt! That’s an outrage! We agree. But so long as the law is “if you’re pulled over for another reason, you can be given an added citation for not wearing a seatbelt” then I’m fine with it. And as for helmets? I have no problem with you being stopped for not wearing a helmet. You are posing a danger to my financial security by being such a dumb ass. And unlike not wearing a seatbelt, which cannot be really seen without stopping someone, it is easy to tell you are not wearing a helmet (unless you have newscaster hair), AND, unlike seatbelts, you can’t have your motorcycle “searched” the same way as your car.

“The market will solve the problem” doesn’t cut the mustard when a very simple problem like this is presented and you can’t find the solution.

THERE IS NO WAY that th “market” can solve the problem of whether or not a doctor should treat a dying patient until he finds out of the dying patient a) has insurance, and b) was wearing a seatbelt. The doctor is either going to treat or not treat. If he treats and the patient can’t pay, then the only thing “the market” can do is PASS THE COST ON TO ME AND YOU. If he doesn’t treat, the guy dies – even if they guy had insurance or could pay! You call that a solution?

Andy wants to keep brown-skinned people from coming into the country in the name of existing welfare laws – EVEN THOUGH IMMIGRANTS BENEFIT THE ECONOMY. And yet he is not willing to support seatbelt/helmet laws, even given the current infrastructure, when abolishing them would cost everyone a shit load of money / cause innocent people to die. Hmmm…

May 12th, 2007 at 12:29 am
Andy:

1. I’m an EMS driver. I see a guy dying on the side of the road. Does he need to pay me before I pick him up? Answer the question. Don’t say ‘the free market will figure it out.’”

If we had a real free market, the free market would indeed figure it out. Start cutting taxes and all of the other government BS and more people could afford healthcare and insurance and there would be more money going to private charities.

“2. So do I treat him or not? What if he can’t/ won’t pay? What do I do? What if he has no assets? What if he dies? What if his heirs are insolvent? Do you know how many uninsureds meet at least one of the above criteria? Virtually all of them. So I, the doctor, don’t get paid, and then I have to charge more to people with insurance/means in order to make up for it. SOCIETY STILL FOOTS THE BILL.”

It is not up to me whether you treat somebody or not. The market would take of this.

“You’re living in a fantasy world. When you want to join me in reality, I will welcome you.”

You are living in a fantasy world if you believe that a bunch of nanny state laws are needed in order to solve problems.

All seat belt laws and helmet laws do is give cops another excuse to pull people over, harrass them, and fine them.

However there is a growing presence of skinheads and white supremacists in southern Nevada and Vegas.

Sorry to bust your bubble.

In Northern Nevada, all you have is the JDL and some jerk in Fallon.

=Go for it!
I’ll be job hunting around Carson City and Minden in two weeks.

1. I’m an EMS driver. I see a guy dying on the side of the road. Does he need to pay me before I pick him up? Answer the question. Don’t say “the free market will figure it out.”

2. So do I treat him or not? What if he can’t/ won’t pay? What do I do? What if he has no assets? What if he dies? What if his heirs are insolvent? Do you know how many uninsureds meet at least one of the above criteria? Virtually all of them. So I, the doctor, don’t get paid, and then I have to charge more to people with insurance/means in order to make up for it. SOCIETY STILL FOOTS THE BILL.

You’re living in a fantasy world. When you want to join me in reality, I will welcome you.

May 11th, 2007 at 4:08 pm
In Andy’s fantasy world: The EMS finds a guy dying on the side of the road. He has shot through his windsheild when his car hit a tree.

1. Does the EMS try to make him pay for their services before putting him in the ambulance?

Let’s say the guy is white, so they assume he can pay. They take him to the hospital. The doctor asks if he was wearing his seatbelt, because if not, his insurance (assuming he has any) is not going to pay.”

Nobody is under any obligation to pay for anyone’s medical care. If somebody WANTS to pay for it, it should be done by charity, not coersion.

Also, if it was left to the free market I think that a solution would be found. I don’t believe in running to government to solve every problem.

“2. What does the doctor do? Does he treat the guy? Yes or no?

Let’s say that for whateve reason, the doctor does. Then come to find out, the guy wasn’t wearing his seatbelt. And he dies.”

This is up to the doctor.

“WHO FOOTS THE BILL?”

Just as long as it is not the tax payers, who cares? We should get away from this notion that taxes are supposed to pay for healthcare.

Something else to consider is that if it weren’t for all of the BS that our government gets involved in, people would have a lot more money of their own to spend on things like healthcare as well as private charity.

Yet another thing to consider is that there are instances where people are injured or even killed because they were wearing a seat belt. Now I’m personally of the belief that the odds are that you are better off wearing one, so I always wear a seat belt and I actually wore them before these seat belts laws went into effect. But I still don’t like these laws as I think that they are intrusive and nanny state in nature.

As Chris Hansen said above, seat belt laws are nothing more than an excuse for the cops to pull people over and give them tickets. Once the cops pull people over they try to find other things for which they can get people. This is just another excuse for the state to extort money from the public.