Comments on: Paul Calls Flooding Michigan GOP Office http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/ Wed, 03 Dec 2008 20:30:51 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Miss Scarlett http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187972 Sun, 20 May 2007 05:40:13 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187972 Ron Paul is the only candidate with perfect foresight. He is the man to beat in my book. Finally, a true American patriot who will serve the people and not corporations or special interest groups. Ron Paul 2008!!! Ron Paul is the only candidate with perfect foresight. He is the man to beat in my book. Finally, a true American patriot who will serve the people and not corporations or special interest groups.

Ron Paul 2008

]]> by: Devin Ray Freeman http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187510 Sat, 19 May 2007 13:30:00 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187510 Wow. An apology from globalist_elitist. Let NO man compare globalist_elitist to Dandero again! Wow. An apology from globalist_elitist.
Let NO man compare globalist_elitist to Dandero again!

]]> by: BC http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187476 Sat, 19 May 2007 12:07:22 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187476 It looks like Saul is crying uncle at this point: http://migop.blogs.com/blog/2007/05/rnc_debate_peti.html It looks like Saul is crying uncle at this point:

http://migop.blogs.com/blog/2007/05/rnc_debate_peti.html

]]> by: globalist_elitist http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187098 Fri, 18 May 2007 23:33:28 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187098 You are so right. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_men#The_Theories_of_David_Icke You are so right.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lizard_men#The_Theories_of_David_Icke

]]> by: Devious David http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187094 Fri, 18 May 2007 23:21:57 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187094 Few people on earth have the guts, integrity and bravery of Ron Paul, period end of story. I think that even if he threatens, the rules will be changed and a tremendous amount of fraud could be brought in. Not to mention political pressure. There are many, many levers that are available to assure a predetermined outcome. It would require as yet unestablished OVERWHELMING support to get Dr. Paul the nomination. It is possible, however. This is one of the reasons the primaries are being moved up, I beleive. Not just for Dr. Paul, but for ANYONE who is/will be a threat now and in the future. There are also future debates. The GOP leadership and media is threatened so much already that they are blasting the idea of his participation. I would be astonished just to see him in another debate. They'll have to have a three way debate, since he's in fourth in the mainstream, traditional polls. That means that cutting Ron Paul out also interestingly makes it almost a necessity to cut out Tancredo, Gilmore, Brownback et al. I think Fred Thompson is a shoe in for veep. I really think that the "winner" has been decided and they'll do whatever backroom stuff they need to do to make it happen. Overall, I think the Republicans desperation to maintain status quo could backfire for them. They seem viciously dedicated to run libertarian support off. But for the REAL powers that be, that's fine by them. They don't care if a Democrat or Republican wins. They own them both. It's a false choice. That's why you'll see the man behind the curtain now and then, seemingly committing suicide deliberately. Remember the Smither campaign? The "two party" system is an illusion and a tool used to divide people and keep their eyes off of the REAL issues at hand. Few people on earth have the guts, integrity and bravery of Ron Paul, period end of story.

I think that even if he threatens, the rules will be changed and a tremendous amount of fraud could be brought in. Not to mention political pressure. There are many, many levers that are available to assure a predetermined outcome. It would require as yet unestablished OVERWHELMING support to get Dr. Paul the nomination. It is possible, however.

This is one of the reasons the primaries are being moved up, I beleive. Not just for Dr. Paul, but for ANYONE who is/will be a threat now and in the future.

There are also future debates. The GOP leadership and media is threatened so much already that they are blasting the idea of his participation. I would be astonished just to see him in another debate. They’ll have to have a three way debate, since he’s in fourth in the mainstream, traditional polls. That means that cutting Ron Paul out also interestingly makes it almost a necessity to cut out Tancredo, Gilmore, Brownback et al. I think Fred Thompson is a shoe in for veep. I really think that the “winner” has been decided and they’ll do whatever backroom stuff they need to do to make it happen.

Overall, I think the Republicans desperation to maintain status quo could backfire for them. They seem viciously dedicated to run libertarian support off. But for the REAL powers that be, that’s fine by them. They don’t care if a Democrat or Republican wins. They own them both. It’s a false choice. That’s why you’ll see the man behind the curtain now and then, seemingly committing suicide deliberately. Remember the Smither campaign? The “two party” system is an illusion and a tool used to divide people and keep their eyes off of the REAL issues at hand.

]]> by: globalist_elitist http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187014 Fri, 18 May 2007 21:21:48 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-187014 Wow. My sarcasm didn't come over well at all, there. But reading my own post, I can see why. Sorry. Wow. My sarcasm didn’t come over well at all, there. But reading my own post, I can see why. Sorry.

]]> by: Michael http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186957 Fri, 18 May 2007 20:16:36 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186957 To TZ, about nineteen GOP primaries are winner take all either at the state or congressional district level. In N.H. you need 10 percent of the vote to begin getting delegates. I believe Iowa is straight percentage. Five percent of the vote, five % of the delegates. The website "The Green Papers" (Not related in any way to the Green Party) has information on the precentage primaries. To TZ, about nineteen GOP primaries are winner take all either at the state or congressional district level. In N.H. you need 10 percent of the vote to begin getting delegates. I believe Iowa is straight percentage. Five percent of the vote, five % of the delegates. The website “The Green Papers” (Not related in any way to the Green Party) has information on the precentage primaries.

]]> by: Trent Hill http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186732 Fri, 18 May 2007 16:32:50 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186732 "then again, he is a 9/11 truther, so maybe he is that delusional." GE, Wrong. He told the "Truth"ers that he, "Would certainly support a re-investigation of what happened at the WTC" That is NOWHERE close to being a "truth"er. When he spoke to those Students, my guess would be that he didn't even know how radical their stupid ideas were. You must remember they confronted him at a Fundraiser in NH. “then again, he is a 9/11 truther, so maybe he is that delusional.”

GE,

Wrong. He told the “Truth”ers that he, “Would certainly support a re-investigation of what happened at the WTC”
That is NOWHERE close to being a “truth”er. When he spoke to those Students, my guess would be that he didn’t even know how radical their stupid ideas were. You must remember they confronted him at a Fundraiser in NH.

]]> by: Devin Ray Freeman http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186677 Fri, 18 May 2007 15:52:32 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186677 You're talkin outta your ass, elitist. Paul's neither "dumb enough" nor "delusional". He's out there to spread a libertarian message and he does it fabulously. Nor is he a "9/11 truther". What he did say is that he doesn't trust the government to investigate itself. For some reason, you choose to impishly belittle a man of integrity and guts on something you dreamed up. Ron Paul forces his own party to look at its own delusions. Does that bother you? You’re talkin outta your ass, elitist. Paul’s neither “dumb enough” nor “delusional”. He’s out there to spread a libertarian message and he does it fabulously. Nor is he a “9/11 truther”. What he did say is that he doesn’t trust the government to investigate itself. For some reason, you choose to impishly belittle a man of integrity and guts on something you dreamed up. Ron Paul forces his own party to look at its own delusions. Does that bother you?

]]> by: Tom Bryant http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186637 Fri, 18 May 2007 14:59:52 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186637 I think Ron Paul's best bet is for the GOP to wake up and realize that they've lost the 2008 election already. There is still plenty of voter backlash carrying over from 2006 that will cause the GOP to lose more seats and the Presidency. The GOP could then make Ron Paul an example. Let him win the nomination and lose big in 2008. They would finally be able to kill off the remaining small government / Goldwater Republicans. I think the delusion is not Ron Paul thinking he can win the primary, but any Republican thinking he can win in 2008. I think Ron Paul’s best bet is for the GOP to wake up and realize that they’ve lost the 2008 election already. There is still plenty of voter backlash carrying over from 2006 that will cause the GOP to lose more seats and the Presidency.

The GOP could then make Ron Paul an example. Let him win the nomination and lose big in 2008. They would finally be able to kill off the remaining small government / Goldwater Republicans.

I think the delusion is not Ron Paul thinking he can win the primary, but any Republican thinking he can win in 2008.

]]> by: Tom Bryant http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186633 Fri, 18 May 2007 14:56:01 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186633 GE writes: "Tom – My problem with the MILP. They make huge issues out of stuff like minimum wage and “racial preference,” which just makes libertarians look (undeservedly) racist/ right wing." The MILP is a volunteer organization. We only can accomlish the things that are volunteers step up to. We don't have a pool of volunteer time and employees that we can direct to different policy changes. We take what we can get. If you don't like the direction, get involved and take up a different issue. The party will support any libertarian policy change that someone wants to spearhead. If there's an issue you don't see the MILP addressing, it isn't because we don't want to, it's because we aren't able to. We need volunteers to take up projects and run with it. The problem with the LP isn't what we do, it's what we don't do. GE writes:
“Tom – My problem with the MILP. They make huge issues out of stuff like minimum wage and “racial preference,” which just makes libertarians look (undeservedly) racist/ right wing.”

The MILP is a volunteer organization. We only can accomlish the things that are volunteers step up to. We don’t have a pool of volunteer time and employees that we can direct to different policy changes. We take what we can get. If you don’t like the direction, get involved and take up a different issue. The party will support any libertarian policy change that someone wants to spearhead. If there’s an issue you don’t see the MILP addressing, it isn’t because we don’t want to, it’s because we aren’t able to. We need volunteers to take up projects and run with it.

The problem with the LP isn’t what we do, it’s what we don’t do.

]]> by: tz http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186615 Fri, 18 May 2007 14:16:46 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186615 Many primaries and caucuses are "winner take all" affairs for delegates. So you are half-right. He needs to be a majority winner in a few big states, or lots of little states or some combination. Think electoral college. No one thought an obscure govenor from georgia or arkansas could win, but the last two democrat presidents were just that. I don't know that he will win, but the cause is far from hopeless unless he doesn't try and we don't support him. Ron Paul in St. Paul! Many primaries and caucuses are “winner take all” affairs for delegates. So you are half-right. He needs to be a majority winner in a few big states, or lots of little states or some combination. Think electoral college.

No one thought an obscure govenor from georgia or arkansas could win, but the last two democrat presidents were just that.

I don’t know that he will win, but the cause is far from hopeless unless he doesn’t try and we don’t support him.

Ron Paul in St. Paul!

]]> by: SovereignMN http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186604 Fri, 18 May 2007 14:06:14 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186604 GE...Good point regarding the super delegates. Does anyone know how many super delegates there are pct wise at the convention? I think it's around 40%. Is that too high? GE…Good point regarding the super delegates. Does anyone know how many super delegates there are pct wise at the convention? I think it’s around 40%. Is that too high?

]]> by: Louise Lloyd http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186576 Fri, 18 May 2007 13:43:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186576 My guess is Anuzis was never a Libertarian, and he's obviously not much of a Republican now. Someone probably told him what to think one time and then once he was a Libertarian, another person told him it'd be cool to be Republican so he went over there. Since he is trying to put such a snow job over on Ron Paul, I think he seems to be a follower-type-- he'll listen to anything the mainstream media tells him and he'll buy it hook, line and sinker. Would it be worth also contacting national GOP headquarters and voicing support for Ron Paul? To show that there is wide support for him appearing in the debates? Rather than messing with Saul "Look at Me, I Like Press Attention" Anuzis? My guess is Anuzis was never a Libertarian, and he’s obviously not much of a Republican now. Someone probably told him what to think one time and then once he was a Libertarian, another person told him it’d be cool to be Republican so he went over there.

Since he is trying to put such a snow job over on Ron Paul, I think he seems to be a follower-type—he’ll listen to anything the mainstream media tells him and he’ll buy it hook, line and sinker.

Would it be worth also contacting national GOP headquarters and voicing support for Ron Paul? To show that there is wide support for him appearing in the debates? Rather than messing with Saul “Look at Me, I Like Press Attention” Anuzis?

]]> by: globalist_elitist http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186563 Fri, 18 May 2007 13:35:17 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/17/paul-calls-flooding-michigan-gop-office/#comment-186563 Ron Paul cannot win the nomination. Anyone who thinks he can obviously doesn't know how the nomination is determined. It's about delegates. Paul scoring plurality victories in every primary will not be enough to do it - as if that were even a realistic possibility to begin with. But even a 50% take in every primary held would probably not do it for him, due to the "super delegates," etc. Ron Paul cannot be dumb enough to actually think he can win - then again, he is a 9/11 truther, so maybe he is that delusional. Tom - My problem with the MILP. They make huge issues out of stuff like minimum wage and "racial preference," which just makes libertarians look (undeservedly) racist/ right wing. I am against racial preferences in state contracting, but when the LP championed Prop. 2, it aligned itself with racist groups and racist individuals - including Mr. Dondero's good friend, Leon Drolet (who incidentally supported the racist homophobic hard-core antilibertarian Repub in my district, Tim Walberg). The minimum wage is essentially irrlavent at current levels. I'm not saying thae LP shouldn't support abolishing (or at least NOT RAISING) minimum wage, and shouldn't support the abolition of racial preference, but the party also needs to think about the message it is sending to the electorate based on the issues it gives prominence and the groups it aligns itself with. Ron Paul cannot win the nomination. Anyone who thinks he can obviously doesn’t know how the nomination is determined. It’s about delegates. Paul scoring plurality victories in every primary will not be enough to do it – as if that were even a realistic possibility to begin with. But even a 50% take in every primary held would probably not do it for him, due to the “super delegates,” etc. Ron Paul cannot be dumb enough to actually think he can win – then again, he is a 9/11 truther, so maybe he is that delusional.

Tom – My problem with the MILP. They make huge issues out of stuff like minimum wage and “racial preference,” which just makes libertarians look (undeservedly) racist/ right wing. I am against racial preferences in state contracting, but when the LP championed Prop. 2, it aligned itself with racist groups and racist individuals – including Mr. Dondero’s good friend, Leon Drolet (who incidentally supported the racist homophobic hard-core antilibertarian Repub in my district, Tim Walberg). The minimum wage is essentially irrlavent at current levels. I’m not saying thae LP shouldn’t support abolishing (or at least NOT RAISING) minimum wage, and shouldn’t support the abolition of racial preference, but the party also needs to think about the message it is sending to the electorate based on the issues it gives prominence and the groups it aligns itself with.

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