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	<title>Comments on: TIME: Ron Paul&#8217;s ideas &#8216;brilliant&#8230;weird&#8217;</title>
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		<title>by: Tom Bryant</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-193224</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 05:00:45 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-193224</guid>
					<description>Andy,

Your first link does not prove your thesis that 9/11 was an inside job, in fact it contradicts it many times over.  How many times does the article refer to the fact that it was Muslims who attacked the WTC?  The government also gets many tips each day about imminent attacks, and the vast majority of them are bogus.  It reminds me of the guy in high school who used to always say &quot;now&quot; when looking at a red light.  He would say &quot;now&quot; about 20 times until the light turned green.  Then he'd look really smug and say &quot;See?  I had it timed&quot;  I guess you'd actually believe that he did have the light timing down.

As for the videos, that just shows how poor your researching skills are.  A google video is part of your research?  Seriously, you need to learn how to come up with credible sources.

You take Steve Jone's word as truth, but what about Bazant, Robertson, Verdure, Eager, and fellow BYU professor Firmage?  Of course, all of the experts who disagree with you are part of the big conspiracy.  BYU fired Jones because they are in on the conspiracy, and it had nothing to do with the fact that misrepresented his paper on the controlled demolishion as being peer reviewed when it was never submitted to any scientific journal.

What makes you believe Jones over the rest of the scientific community?  Is it his research method or his conclusion?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Andy,</p>
	<p>Your first link does not prove your thesis that 9/11 was an inside job, in fact it contradicts it many times over.  How many times does the article refer to the fact that it was Muslims who attacked the <span class="caps">WTC</span>?  The government also gets many tips each day about imminent attacks, and the vast majority of them are bogus.  It reminds me of the guy in high school who used to always say &#8220;now&#8221; when looking at a red light.  He would say &#8220;now&#8221; about 20 times until the light turned green.  Then he&#8217;d look really smug and say &#8220;See?  I had it timed&#8221;  I guess you&#8217;d actually believe that he did have the light timing down.</p>
	<p>As for the videos, that just shows how poor your researching skills are.  A google video is part of your research?  Seriously, you need to learn how to come up with credible sources.</p>
	<p>You take Steve Jone&#8217;s word as truth, but what about Bazant, Robertson, Verdure, Eager, and fellow <span class="caps">BYU</span> professor Firmage?  Of course, all of the experts who disagree with you are part of the big conspiracy.  <span class="caps">BYU</span> fired Jones because they are in on the conspiracy, and it had nothing to do with the fact that misrepresented his paper on the controlled demolishion as being peer reviewed when it was never submitted to any scientific journal.</p>
	<p>What makes you believe Jones over the rest of the scientific community?  Is it his research method or his conclusion?</p>
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		<title>by: Jay Matthews</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-193208</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 May 2007 04:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-193208</guid>
					<description>Hey Andy, those points are a good start.  There's at least seven dozen others, not that they need to be posted.

I've posted this before but since we're on the topic,.....It's astounding that despite the chronic lies, deception, and scandal with this administration when it comes to 9/11 they are suddenly a bunch of boy scouts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey Andy, those points are a good start.  There&#8217;s at least seven dozen others, not that they need to be posted.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve posted this before but since we&#8217;re on the topic,.....It&#8217;s astounding that despite the chronic lies, deception, and scandal with this administration when it comes to 9/11 they are suddenly a bunch of boy scouts.</p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192880</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192880</guid>
					<description>9/11 Mysteries:  Demolitions
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&amp;#38;q=9%2F11+mysteries</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>9/11 Mysteries:  Demolitions<br />
<a href='http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&#038;q=9%2F11+mysteries' rel='nofollow'>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6708190071483512003&#038;q=9%2F11+mysteries</a></p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192879</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192879</guid>
					<description>Physics Professor Steven Jones Lecture on 9/11
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&amp;#38;q=physics+professor+steven+jones&amp;#38;hl=en</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Physics Professor Steven Jones Lecture on 9/11<br />
<a href='http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&#038;q=physics+professor+steven+jones&#038;hl=en' rel='nofollow'>http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=964034652002408586&#038;q=physics+professor+steven+jones&#038;hl=en</a></p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192875</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 21:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192875</guid>
					<description>&quot;Tom Bryant Says: 

May 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pm 
The problem with the 9/11 Truthers is that they don’t have any facts or evidence that prove their thesis.&quot;

20 Smoking Guns: The 9/11 Military/Psyops Attack
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/911_redux.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Tom Bryant Says:</p>
	<p>May 25th, 2007 at 3:56 pm<br />
The problem with the 9/11 Truthers is that they don&#8217;t have any facts or evidence that prove their thesis.&#8221;</p>
	<p>20 Smoking Guns: The 9/11 Military/Psyops Attack<br />
<a href='http://www.propagandamatrix.com/911_redux.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.propagandamatrix.com/911_redux.html</a></p>
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		<title>by: Tom Bryant</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192794</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 19:56:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192794</guid>
					<description>The problem with the 9/11 Truthers is that they don't have any facts or evidence that prove their thesis.

They have selected bits and pieces that fit their thesis and ignore everything that does not fit their thesis.  In order to do so, they have to grow the conspiracy to huge proportions that could not sustain its own weight.

For example, they discount all the eye-witnesses and officials who state that they saw a plane hit the pentagon.  Those people are believed by the Truthers to all be liars and/or paid off by the government.  The few witnesses who say they saw a missile hit the pentagon are seen as heros telling the truth. 

All of the demolishion experts and structural engineers who say that the towers fell from the impact and fire are discounted by the Truthers because, oddly enough, they are all lairs and/or paid off by the government.  The couple of experts or college professors who say that the towers could not possible collapse from impact/fire are heros telling the truth.

The sheer amount of people that have been paid off by the government in order to make the Truthers' story feasible is ridiculously large.  A conspiracy that large would crumble and fall apart.

Andy...I have another question for you.  Do you believe that we won or lost the Revolutionary War?  Are we still a British Colony?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The problem with the 9/11 Truthers is that they don&#8217;t have any facts or evidence that prove their thesis.</p>
	<p>They have selected bits and pieces that fit their thesis and ignore everything that does not fit their thesis.  In order to do so, they have to grow the conspiracy to huge proportions that could not sustain its own weight.</p>
	<p>For example, they discount all the eye-witnesses and officials who state that they saw a plane hit the pentagon.  Those people are believed by the Truthers to all be liars and/or paid off by the government.  The few witnesses who say they saw a missile hit the pentagon are seen as heros telling the truth.</p>
	<p>All of the demolishion experts and structural engineers who say that the towers fell from the impact and fire are discounted by the Truthers because, oddly enough, they are all lairs and/or paid off by the government.  The couple of experts or college professors who say that the towers could not possible collapse from impact/fire are heros telling the truth.</p>
	<p>The sheer amount of people that have been paid off by the government in order to make the Truthers&#8217; story feasible is ridiculously large.  A conspiracy that large would crumble and fall apart.</p>
	<p>Andy&#8230;I have another question for you.  Do you believe that we won or lost the Revolutionary War?  Are we still a British Colony?</p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192733</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:09:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192733</guid>
					<description>Jesse Ventura Question Official 9/11 Story
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/260906venturaquestions.htm</description>
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<a href='http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/260906venturaquestions.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/september2006/260906venturaquestions.htm</a></p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192730</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 18:06:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192730</guid>
					<description>&quot;Eric Dondero Says: 

May 25th, 2007 at 12:44 pm 
To the individual who compared Ron Paul to Jesse Ventura, Pleeeease! Gimmee a break. Ventura is not a “Surrenderist” like Ron Paul. He’s an ex-Navy Seal, who understands the threat the United States faces from the rise of Islamo-Fascism.&quot;

You don't know what in the fuck you are talking about.  Jesse Ventura has come out AGAINST the war in Iraq and he's also said that he believes that 9/11 was an inside job.  GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Eric Dondero Says:</p>
	<p>May 25th, 2007 at 12:44 pm<br />
To the individual who compared Ron Paul to Jesse Ventura, Pleeeease! Gimmee a break. Ventura is not a &#8220;Surrenderist&#8221; like Ron Paul. He&#8217;s an ex-Navy Seal, who understands the threat the United States faces from the rise of Islamo-Fascism.&#8221;</p>
	<p>You don&#8217;t know what in the fuck you are talking about.  Jesse Ventura has come out <span class="caps">AGAINST</span> the war in Iraq and he&#8217;s also said that he believes that 9/11 was an inside job.  <span class="caps">GET YOUR FACTS STRAIGHT</span>!</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192663</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 16:53:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192663</guid>
					<description>46 posts here, and not a single one of you is addressing the fundamental point of the article: The fact that Joe Klein of Time says Rudy Giuliani won the debate because of Ron Paul's major flub.  

The headline of the story for goodness sakes is &quot;How Rudy won the Debate.&quot;  

Are you all here that out of touch with mainstream politics that you cannot even acknowledge the fact that Rudy trounced Ron Paul, after his stupid remark?

Some of you more Geeky types may have thought Ron Paul won that round.  That's natural, cause you don't understand is that perception is reality.  Your personal image sucks, so you don't get the fact that image is everything in politics, NOT ISSUES!

Probably explains why the Libertarian Party continues to nominate Goobers like Michael Badnarik for President.  

Grow up fellow Libertarians.  Good looks, quick wittiedness, well-spokeness, counts for a lot in politics.  

That's why Rudy (and Romney) are winning, and Ron Paul continues to languish at 0 to 1%.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>46 posts here, and not a single one of you is addressing the fundamental point of the article: The fact that Joe Klein of Time says Rudy Giuliani won the debate because of Ron Paul&#8217;s major flub.</p>
	<p>The headline of the story for goodness sakes is &#8220;How Rudy won the Debate.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Are you all here that out of touch with mainstream politics that you cannot even acknowledge the fact that Rudy trounced Ron Paul, after his stupid remark?</p>
	<p>Some of you more Geeky types may have thought Ron Paul won that round.  That&#8217;s natural, cause you don&#8217;t understand is that perception is reality.  Your personal image sucks, so you don&#8217;t get the fact that image is everything in politics, <span class="caps">NOT ISSUES</span>!</p>
	<p>Probably explains why the Libertarian Party continues to nominate Goobers like Michael Badnarik for President.</p>
	<p>Grow up fellow Libertarians.  Good looks, quick wittiedness, well-spokeness, counts for a lot in politics.</p>
	<p>That&#8217;s why Rudy (and Romney) are winning, and Ron Paul continues to languish at 0 to 1%.</p>
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		<title>by: Eric Dondero</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192653</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 16:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192653</guid>
					<description>To the individual who compared Ron Paul to Jesse Ventura, Pleeeease!  Gimmee a break.  Ventura is not a &quot;Surrenderist&quot; like Ron Paul.  He's an ex-Navy Seal, who understands the threat the United States faces from the rise of Islamo-Fascism.

Paul wants us to just wave the white flag.  He thinks that if we surrender to the Islamo-Fascists they'll just go away and leave us alone.

Jesse Rocks!  Ron Paul is dropping like a brick.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To the individual who compared Ron Paul to Jesse Ventura, Pleeeease!  Gimmee a break.  Ventura is not a &#8220;Surrenderist&#8221; like Ron Paul.  He&#8217;s an ex-Navy Seal, who understands the threat the United States faces from the rise of Islamo-Fascism.</p>
	<p>Paul wants us to just wave the white flag.  He thinks that if we surrender to the Islamo-Fascists they&#8217;ll just go away and leave us alone.</p>
	<p>Jesse Rocks!  Ron Paul is dropping like a brick.</p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192457</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 May 2007 11:25:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192457</guid>
					<description>&quot;Jay Matthews Says: 

May 24th, 2007 at 6:22 pm 
Andy remember, in the end regardless of what evidence is presented to people, they will believe what they want to believe. Life is more comfortable that way.&quot;

Jay,  you just hit the nail on the head.  Many people are simply too lazy to think for themselves and investigate things on their own,  so it is a lot easier for them to believe what the government tells them.  It is too scary for a lot of people to confront the fact that their government is lying to them,  because then they will be put in a position of having to do something about it or they will have to admitt to themselves that they are cowards and do nothing about it.  


&quot;...all Expierence hath shewn,  that Mankind are more disposed to suffer,  while Evils are sufferable,  than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.&quot;  Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Jay Matthews Says:</p>
	<p>May 24th, 2007 at 6:22 pm<br />
Andy remember, in the end regardless of what evidence is presented to people, they will believe what they want to believe. Life is more comfortable that way.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Jay,  you just hit the nail on the head.  Many people are simply too lazy to think for themselves and investigate things on their own,  so it is a lot easier for them to believe what the government tells them.  It is too scary for a lot of people to confront the fact that their government is lying to them,  because then they will be put in a position of having to do something about it or they will have to admitt to themselves that they are cowards and do nothing about it.</p>
	<p>&#8220;...all Expierence hath shewn,  that Mankind are more disposed to suffer,  while Evils are sufferable,  than to right themselves by abolishing the Forms to which they are accustomed.&#8221;  Thomas Jefferson in the Declaration of Independence</p>
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		<title>by: Jay Matthews</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192010</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 22:22:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192010</guid>
					<description>Andy remember, in the end regardless of what evidence is presented to people, they will believe what they want to believe.  Life is more comfortable that way. 

I'm not terribly familiar with Jones' movies but I have seen his footage of Bohemian Grove.  Prior to his film many people I'm sure laughed at him and his premise.  Then he exposes it as a real, shoots ritual footage, even interviews David Gergen about it, and we see Gergen get bent out of shape.

I'm sure some people still think it's a Jones fabrication.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Andy remember, in the end regardless of what evidence is presented to people, they will believe what they want to believe.  Life is more comfortable that way.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m not terribly familiar with Jones&#8217; movies but I have seen his footage of Bohemian Grove.  Prior to his film many people I&#8217;m sure laughed at him and his premise.  Then he exposes it as a real, shoots ritual footage, even interviews David Gergen about it, and we see Gergen get bent out of shape.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m sure some people still think it&#8217;s a Jones fabrication.</p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192006</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 22:16:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-192006</guid>
					<description>&quot;globalist_elitist Says: 

May 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pm 
Wouldn’t you also agree that it’s too bad that David Duke goes off on “tangents,” because he also has some good things to say? Also, Hitler had some good ideas, too, don’t you think?&quot;

Everyone has good things to say at least once in a while,  even you,  but some more so than others.  

I don't like Bill Clinton but if it is raining outside,  and Bill says  &quot;Hey,  it's raining outside.&quot; then this doesn't mean it is not true just because Bill Clinton said it and other stuff he says is bullshit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;globalist_elitist Says:</p>
	<p>May 24th, 2007 at 2:42 pm<br />
Wouldn&#8217;t you also agree that it&#8217;s too bad that David Duke goes off on &#8220;tangents,&#8221; because he also has some good things to say? Also, Hitler had some good ideas, too, don&#8217;t you think?&#8221;</p>
	<p>Everyone has good things to say at least once in a while,  even you,  but some more so than others.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t like Bill Clinton but if it is raining outside,  and Bill says  &#8220;Hey,  it&#8217;s raining outside.&#8221; then this doesn&#8217;t mean it is not true just because Bill Clinton said it and other stuff he says is bullshit.</p>
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		<title>by: globalist_elitist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-191832</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-191832</guid>
					<description>Wouldn't you also agree that it's too bad that David Duke goes off on &quot;tangents,&quot; because he also has some good things to say? Also, Hitler had some good ideas, too, don't you think?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wouldn&#8217;t you also agree that it&#8217;s too bad that David Duke goes off on &#8220;tangents,&#8221; because he also has some good things to say? Also, Hitler had some good ideas, too, don&#8217;t you think?</p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-191813</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 May 2007 18:12:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/05/22/time-ron-pauls-ideas-brilliantweird/#comment-191813</guid>
					<description>&quot;globalist_elitist Says: 

May 24th, 2007 at 10:10 am 
Yes. He’s a disinfo agent. Perhaps part of the Illuminati himself? Perhaps a LIZARD MAN himself?&quot;

I don't know if David Icke is a disinfo agent or not.  If he is,  he'd likely be on the payroll of some government agency or perhaps the Monarchy itself,  but of course I'm merely speculating here.  

It's too bad that Icke goes off on these wild tangents because other then that I think that he's got some good stuff to say.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;globalist_elitist Says:</p>
	<p>May 24th, 2007 at 10:10 am<br />
Yes. He&#8217;s a disinfo agent. Perhaps part of the Illuminati himself? Perhaps a <span class="caps">LIZARD MAN</span> himself?&#8221;</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t know if David Icke is a disinfo agent or not.  If he is,  he&#8217;d likely be on the payroll of some government agency or perhaps the Monarchy itself,  but of course I&#8217;m merely speculating here.</p>
	<p>It&#8217;s too bad that Icke goes off on these wild tangents because other then that I think that he&#8217;s got some good stuff to say.</p>
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