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	<title>Comments on: Steve Gordon Leaving LP HQ</title>
	<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/</link>
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		<title>by: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-230514</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-230514</guid>
					<description>Carl, shame on you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Carl, shame on you.</p>
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		<title>by: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-230511</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 22:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-230511</guid>
					<description>George, agreed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>George, agreed.</p>
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		<title>by: George Phillies</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-230117</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 14:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-230117</guid>
					<description>Mr. Benedict puts his finger on a very serious problem the Libertarian Presidential campaigns (one campaign, after Memorial day 2008) face, namely that there is some possibility that the campaigns will have as one of their opponents a person who is actively supported with their checkbooks by members of the Libertarian National Committee.  Because the R Party has its convention late, we will not know that until after Labor Day.

To the best of my recollection, there are no LNC members donating to any of our Presidential campaigns.  At least some are supporting the campaigns of other parties.  Tom Knapp may be able to chime in on the Kubby campaign.

Under these circumstances, it is impossible to have coordination between the Presidential campaign and the National party.  Now, some classes of coordination are not possible anyhow, if you want the national committee to be making uncoordinated campaign expenses.  However, there are things that under other circumstances have been coordinated, for example relating to donor and contact lists, but I expect most candidates are unwilling to put out donor lists where they may wend their way to a  Republican candidate.  There is a serious problem when part of your own party's governing board is known to be disloyal to the party they propose to govern.

Of course, after Memorial Day we will have a new LNC, so perhaps the matter will have been fixed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mr. Benedict puts his finger on a very serious problem the Libertarian Presidential campaigns (one campaign, after Memorial day 2008) face, namely that there is some possibility that the campaigns will have as one of their opponents a person who is actively supported with their checkbooks by members of the Libertarian National Committee.  Because the R Party has its convention late, we will not know that until after Labor Day.</p>
	<p>To the best of my recollection, there are no <span class="caps">LNC</span> members donating to any of our Presidential campaigns.  At least some are supporting the campaigns of other parties.  Tom Knapp may be able to chime in on the Kubby campaign.</p>
	<p>Under these circumstances, it is impossible to have coordination between the Presidential campaign and the National party.  Now, some classes of coordination are not possible anyhow, if you want the national committee to be making uncoordinated campaign expenses.  However, there are things that under other circumstances have been coordinated, for example relating to donor and contact lists, but I expect most candidates are unwilling to put out donor lists where they may wend their way to a  Republican candidate.  There is a serious problem when part of your own party&#8217;s governing board is known to be disloyal to the party they propose to govern.</p>
	<p>Of course, after Memorial Day we will have a new <span class="caps">LNC</span>, so perhaps the matter will have been fixed.</p>
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		<title>by: wes benedict</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-230068</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 13:50:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-230068</guid>
					<description>Just to clarify, I won't be voting in the Republican Primary.  But I hope Ron Paul wins the Republican primary and perhaps my contribution will make a small difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Just to clarify, I won&#8217;t be voting in the Republican Primary.  But I hope Ron Paul wins the Republican primary and perhaps my contribution will make a small difference.</p>
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		<title>by: wes benedict</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-229702</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 06:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-229702</guid>
					<description>Don Wills,

You are correct.  I was pretty mean to Timothy West here.  Probably went over the top.

Timothy West had some good things to say about Ron Paul.  I appreciate and support Ron Paul myself:

http://wesbenedictforlnc.blogspot.com/2007/05/my-600-says-ron-paul-presidential.html

People like Sean Haugh are now asking me to resign from the LNC due to my support for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary even though I certainly expect to support whomever the Libertarian Party nomination for president ends up being.

http://www.libertyforall.net/?p=724#comments

I've read on this blog that Timothy West and Carl Milsted are both supporters of Ron Paul.

Timothy and Carl, perhaps we should get together and develop a strategy for reforming the Libertarian Party.  

Can't we all get along?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don Wills,</p>
	<p>You are correct.  I was pretty mean to Timothy West here.  Probably went over the top.</p>
	<p>Timothy West had some good things to say about Ron Paul.  I appreciate and support Ron Paul myself:</p>
	<p><a href='http://wesbenedictforlnc.blogspot.com/2007/05/my-600-says-ron-paul-presidential.html' rel='nofollow'>http://wesbenedictforlnc.blogspot.com/2007/05/my-600-says-ron-paul-presidential.html</a></p>
	<p>People like Sean Haugh are now asking me to resign from the <span class="caps">LNC</span> due to my support for Ron Paul in the Republican Primary even though I certainly expect to support whomever the Libertarian Party nomination for president ends up being.</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.libertyforall.net/?p=724#comments' rel='nofollow'>http://www.libertyforall.net/?p=724#comments</a></p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve read on this blog that Timothy West and Carl Milsted are both supporters of Ron Paul.</p>
	<p>Timothy and Carl, perhaps we should get together and develop a strategy for reforming the Libertarian Party.</p>
	<p>Can&#8217;t we all get along?</p>
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		<title>by: timothy west</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-229464</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Jun 2007 01:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-229464</guid>
					<description>Haha I always knew Tim West was a filthy Canadian spy.

I am not filthy. I take at least one shower a day, AND I use soap.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Haha I always knew Tim West was a filthy Canadian spy.</p>
	<p>I am not filthy. I take at least one shower a day, <span class="caps">AND I</span> use soap.</p>
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		<title>by: Don Wills</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-229162</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 20:22:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-229162</guid>
					<description>I occasionally stop by here to see what's up with the LP and it's merry
band of pranksters.  From the comments in this thread, it appears
that nothing's changed.  Disinformation and insults masquerading
as discussion.

Wes - I don't know you and I'm glad I don't.  Your post berating Tim
was mean and destructive.

Ralph - your bullet points try to prove that there is some insidious
hidden cabal that is out to destroy the LP.  Not so.  It is destroying
itself from within.

And to all who think the word libertarian has a net positive connotation
in the minds of the American electorate - you need to stop taking
those hallucinogenic drugs and return to reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I occasionally stop by here to see what&#8217;s up with the LP and it&#8217;s merry<br />
band of pranksters.  From the comments in this thread, it appears<br />
that nothing&#8217;s changed.  Disinformation and insults masquerading<br />
as discussion.</p>
	<p>Wes &#8211; I don&#8217;t know you and I&#8217;m glad I don&#8217;t.  Your post berating Tim<br />
was mean and destructive.</p>
	<p>Ralph &#8211; your bullet points try to prove that there is some insidious<br />
hidden cabal that is out to destroy the LP.  Not so.  It is destroying<br />
itself from within.</p>
	<p>And to all who think the word libertarian has a net positive connotation<br />
in the minds of the American electorate &#8211; you need to stop taking<br />
those hallucinogenic drugs and return to reality.</p>
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		<title>by: timothy west</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-228550</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 10:12:42 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-228550</guid>
					<description>K.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>K.</p>
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		<title>by: Austin Cassidy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-228199</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 03:56:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-228199</guid>
					<description>Tim, just drop me an email if you're interested.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Tim, just drop me an email if you&#8217;re interested.</p>
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		<title>by: Carl</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-228028</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 29 Jun 2007 00:47:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-228028</guid>
					<description>Sean. Chris Farris was correct. Nuf said.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sean. Chris Farris was correct. Nuf said.</p>
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		<title>by: Ken H</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227978</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 23:46:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227978</guid>
					<description>I have been a supporter of the Libertarian Party in the past and just recently rejoined.  After the Republican Party rejects Ron Paul and nominates another liberal presidential candidate I want to have someone to vote for in 2008.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have been a supporter of the Libertarian Party in the past and just recently rejoined.  After the Republican Party rejects Ron Paul and nominates another liberal presidential candidate I want to have someone to vote for in 2008.</p>
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		<title>by: timothy west</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227869</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:11:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227869</guid>
					<description>Sean, 

I dont think anyone really got what they wanted with the platform. I do think that most delegates decided it was time for a housecleaning and that the platform had grown to be a mess after having plank after plank tacked onto it over the years.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sean,</p>
	<p>I dont think anyone really got what they wanted with the platform. I do think that most delegates decided it was time for a housecleaning and that the platform had grown to be a mess after having plank after plank tacked onto it over the years.</p>
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		<title>by: timothy west</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227802</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227802</guid>
					<description>I dunno. Sounds kinda like him. 

Wes,

since I'm no longer a libertarian, (as in registered or party member) whats the point? 
I'm only still here because , as in the beginning, I find the LP a fascinating paradox.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I dunno. Sounds kinda like him.</p>
	<p>Wes,</p>
	<p>since I&#8217;m no longer a libertarian, (as in registered or party member) whats the point?<br />
I&#8217;m only still here because , as in the beginning, I find the LP a fascinating paradox.</p>
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		<title>by: RalphsDaddy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227775</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:34:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227775</guid>
					<description>I'll wager that Ralph is MG (Michael Gilson-de Lemos).   Any takers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;ll wager that Ralph is <span class="caps">MG </span>(Michael Gilson-de Lemos).   Any takers?</p>
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		<title>by: Sean Haugh</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227771</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 Jun 2007 20:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/06/27/steve-gordon-leaving-lp-hq/#comment-227771</guid>
					<description>Let's see Carl, you got just what you wanted with the platform and then you still took your ball and went home like a whiny little kid.  You're just as crazy, and just as lacking in credibility, as Ralph.  It's a wonder anybody listens to you anymore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let&#8217;s see Carl, you got just what you wanted with the platform and then you still took your ball and went home like a whiny little kid.  You&#8217;re just as crazy, and just as lacking in credibility, as Ralph.  It&#8217;s a wonder anybody listens to you anymore.</p>
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