What are the consquences——————-if he marries to a citizen?

Please respond only if you are aware of immigration laws.

That aside, you’re calling immigration laws arduous attempting to make excuses for illegals. Therefore condoning illegals.

“They are a group of people attempting to make a better life for themselves. The horror!

They are subverting the law because the racist law has become so arduous that there is no other way.”

Any law can be challenged regardless of how much it may or may not be observed.

The 9/11 comment wasn’t for yourself but more generally for those who buy the entire official account (not myself) and still think immigration laws should be fewer, less stringent, and not enforced.

Emergency room care,........are you serious? How many emergencies room visits does anyone need in a lifetime illegal or not? Not to mention the number of low-income Americans exceeds the number or illegals. Again a flawed argument.

Children of illegals DO get free education whether they come here individually or not. If you’re going to say they don’t you don’t know what you’re talking about.

Let’s not forget medicaid, social security benefits, avoiding income taxes, and other forms of public assistance.

It’s not impossible to obey the law. People are doing it now and have for decades. You want to say it’s not affordable for many, fine, but where’s the obligation to cater to some who cannot afford it. The poor? If one is poor any cost short of free can be seen as too much. Did Central America save the U.S. from nazi rule? Guess I was out sick that day. Again I’ll ask, where is this “we owe them” sentiment coming from? Why should illegals go to the front of the line and just be handed citizenship?

And what’s the problem with putting armed personnel on the border?

In any event, we’ll agree to disagree.

In the meantime your condoning of illegal immigration and “we owe them amnesty” attitude will continue to be bizarre

I apologize if you can’t read, or comprehend what you read. The public school system must really be degrading faster than I thought.

What is bizarre is you have decided that I believe what I have never said I believe. Tell me, where/when have I advocated amnesty, or illegal immigration for that matter?

You’re wrong.

How so? How would the laws ever be challenged?

On a side note, if one accepts the official 9/11 story about 19 hijackers with exacto-blades etc., it would stand to reason one would want immigration laws enforced if not made more stringent.

Well, if you believe the “official” story, then yes, I can understand why you are dumb enough to be so emotional about an issue (immigration) that was manufactured so that drones like you could have something to be distracted with.

Leaving aside the fact that these actions were racist and unjust, they did not work. Chinese and Japanese continued to enter the USA, legally or not, by the thousands.

They came here for the same reason so many Mexicans, Guatemalans, Hondurans, Columbians, etc. etc. etc. come here today. Hint: it’s NOT free health care. Illegal immigrants use less emergency-room care than impoverished American citizens, for fear of discovery and deportation. Second hint: it’s NOT free education- the majority of illegal immigrants come alone, leaving their families at home, in nations which ALSO promise free education to all their children.

They come here because life as the scum of the earth in the USA, making one-quarter what we call our minimum wage, living in terror that they will be imprisoned or (thinking our cops are like theirs) beaten and tortured if caught, all of this is a MUCH better life than what they have at home.

Remember: the “poverty line” in the USA is higher than the gross domestic product per capita of any Latin American country. That means being officially poor in the USA would make you middle class- UPPER middle class- in most of the rest of the hemisphere.

The only way you’re going to stop people moving from that level of poverty to our level of affluence is to withdraw our army from Iraq, Afghanistan, Korea, and everyplace else, split them into three shifts, and line them up- one person every seventy yards or so- along the Mexican border…

... and murder everyone who tries to cross.

Oh, and you’d have to shut down the border completely- no imports, no exports, no tourism- because over half the illegal immigrants we have came here LEGALLY.

So no, you’re not going to stop them. You’ll hardly even slow them down.

And as far as trying to obey the law… when it costs thousands of dollars most of these people don’t have in the first place and can take as much as ten years just to get legal residency, never mind citizenship, and legal residency does NOT include the right to work, and on top of all that there are quotas limiting the number of people even allowed to APPLY…

... when it’s impossible to obey the law, people are going to break it.

Don’t tell me about respecting the process; the process is RIGGED.

And it’s specifically rigged against the poor and the Latino.

Oh, one final, minor note. Recently a cabbage grower decided to try using all-white, all-US labor for his California fields. He couldn’t do it. The few workers he got quit within a week, and most refused to do it at all for less than ten dollars an hour.

That’d be some pretty expensive cabbage.

I agree illegal immigration is not 100% stoppable but c’mon, there’s lots of room for improvement. Bush is more concerned with the Syria/Iraq/Iran borders than our own.

I also don’t understand the “we owe them” sentiment here. News flash: this country doesn’t owe anyone easy citizenship any more than another country owes Americans emigrating there easy citizenship. I’m not suggesting it should be hard, I’m saying the laws are what they are. Want to lobby your senators and congressman to try to change them, well fine.

And I don’t buy the “they do jobs Americans won’t” argument. Pay someone a decent wage and people will do anything no matter how mundane and/or disgusting.

Legend has it that, one day when the toadies of his court told him how great he was one too many times, he took his court to the seashore at low tide, walked out to the edge of the surf, and commanded the tide not to come in.

His feet got wet anyway, proving his point: some things are just not controllable by a king, or by a government.

The immigrants are a tide, and they are unstoppable. We can waste a lot of money damming the tide, we can give up vital liberties in a futile attempt to bail out the water… or else we can accept the facts and use that tide to our advantage.

(And also, let us not forget, this is a HUMAN tide. Every person there is an individual with rights and with the desire for a better life. Water in a bucket has no rights to violate, but a peaceful human being seeking nothing more than to get himself and his family out of poverty does have rights. Violations of those rights are a moral stain on our nation- our IMMIGRANT nation.)

In the meantime your condoning of illegal immigration and “we owe them amnesty” attitude will continue to be bizarre, especially for someone whose website is loaded with Ron Paul-related news. A candidate also against amnesty.

“Correct me if I am wrong, but if everyone obeyed every law there would be no need or incentive to challenge a law.”

You’re wrong. That aside since there are millions of illegals here your rationale is “well they’re here, let’s take it easy on them” instead of insisting the current laws should be enforced.

On a side note, if one accepts the official 9/11 story about 19 hijackers with exacto-blades etc., it would stand to reason one would want immigration laws enforced if not made more stringent. Otherwise the argument is even more flawed.

I think Nigel should be thanked for his comments on this subject.

It’s one thing to suggest laws should be changed. It’s another to suggest they should be ignored, subverted, and the authorities should look the other way.

Correct me if I am wrong, but if everyone obeyed every law there would be no need or incentive to challenge a law. Therefore the Judicial Branch and it’s role in checks and balances would be void.