If the CP is ruined, why are there reoganized affiliates spring up left and right where the others left, why is the Party growing? The CP is only ruined for the wackos that tried to ruin it in the first place.

August 7th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
BTW: The Mises University organization was quite fun. Too many Anarchists for my taste, but still quite fun. In my personal opinion, the professors held Rothbard in too high a regard, and Mises/Menger/Bohm-Bawerk not high enough.
But,essentially, a great experience.”

Which professors did you have?

When I was there I attended a Mark Thorton speech. I wasn’t there for a seminar or as a student or anything like that, I was in Auburn for something else, so I was just at the Mises Institute as a visitor.

After attending the Mises Institute, do you still support the concept of protectionist tarriffs? I know that the Mises Institute is pretty anti-protectionism.

Unfortunately it is true that some Libertarians have made comments like this, but keep in mind that they don’t speak for the entire Libertarian Party.

“A host on the mainstream ‘Free Talk Live’ has defended child abandonment.”

This guy doesn’t speak for every Libertarian either.

“Short-time libertarian presidential contender Doug Stanhope also has a bit in his act joking about how he and his wife murdered their preborn child, essentially admitting he recognizes it is murder.”

I like Doug Stanhope and I was disappointed when he dropped out of the Presidential race. However, I’ve seen the bit you are talking about on YouTube and I would agree that the joke was in poor taste. I don’t know if Stanhope’s wife/girlfriend really got an abortion, but whether she did or didn’t, abortion is no laughing matter.

“At a certain point, a fetus becomes a child. I don’t know when that point is, but it sure as hell isn’t conception. Ron Paul witnessed a pre-Roe abortion in which a baby was actually delivered and put in a bucket and left to die. I can see how witnessing such an event would distort one’s rationality.”

More information you just pulled out of your tail? No, it is a medical reality that humans begin at conception. What happened to you to “distort your rationality?” You display your ignorance when you say that children don’t begin at conception, but you don’t have any idea when they do.

“Very true, but Ron has clarified this, on occasions at which people who were in the know about American history were the majority, by stating that he is using that term “rather loosely”.”

I hadn’t heard him say that. He shouldn’t be using the term at all. If Americans understood the difference, they might have a more accurate view of the role of government.

“He probably avoids playing the “Not a democracy, Stupid!” card, because so much of the sheep populace which is ignorant about its own nation’s history would look at him with a blank stare.”

True, when most hear people speaking against democracy, “communism” immediately comes to mind. : )

“There is a lot of division in the Libertarian Party over abortion and there a lot more anti-abortion Libertarians than some realize.”

I know there is division, but some of the most disgusting rhetoric I’ve heard has been from libertarians. A host on the mainstream “Free Talk Live” has defended child abandonment. Short-time libertarian presidential contender Doug Stanhope also has a bit in his act joking about how he and his wife murdered their preborn child, essentially admitting he recognizes it is murder.

“I happen to know some anarchist-Libertarians who are vehemently anti-abortion. They say that without government protecting abortion doctors that it would be “open season” (as in hunting season) on abortion doctors.”

Well, my main problem is not that the government fails to uphold the fifth amendment guarantee that none shall be deprived of life without due process, it’s that in addition to that it punishes those who do. To me one of the most hypocritical actions to occur in the US is the state murder of Paul Hill in FL. I feel that at all times, one must occur, state enforcement or private enforcement.

August 7th, 2007 at 2:37 am
So Andy now supports the vigilante assassination of doctors?”

You must have a reading comprehension problem. I NEVER said whether or not I support such a policy, and for that matter, I have NEVER stated any personal position on abortion beyond saying that it would be better to leave it to the states in the current reality in which we live.

Here’s a repost of what I said.

“I happen to know some anarchist-Libertarians who are vehemently anti-abortion. They say that without government protecting abortion doctors that it would be “open season” (as in hunting season) on abortion doctors.”

If you’ll notice I said “I happen to know some” and “They” which indicates that I’m talking about other people and did not state a position myself.

The Ron Paul Story
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgF-s1voM_Y

At a certain point, a fetus becomes a child. I don’t know when that point is, but it sure as hell isn’t conception. Ron Paul witnessed a pre-Roe abortion in which a baby was actually delivered and put in a bucket and left to die. I can see how witnessing such an event would distort one’s rationality. Roe v Wade protects the right to abortion only in the first trimester only under the 9th amendment. Beyond that, abortion is a matter for states. You “Constitutionalists” are big-government commies who want fifty Christian caliphates and a strong central government to overrule any particularly disagreeable laws, i.e. legalized abortion, among the fifty caliphates. You are the moral equivalent of the Taliban and you hate America just as much as they do. Too bad. You suck.

Very true, but Ron has clarified this, on occasions at which people who were in the know about American history were the majority, by stating that he is using that term “rather loosely”.

He probably avoids playing the “Not a democracy, Stupid!” card, because so much of the sheep populace which is ignorant about its own nation’s history would look at him with a blank stare.

He instead seems to focus on the basic, underlying, golden rules of the founders’ teachings, rather than expecting the majority of the American people to go read the “Federalist Papers” for the first time in their lives. Rudy Jiuliani is the only American (if you can call him that) that Ron challenges to read something. :^)

There is a lot of division in the Libertarian Party over abortion and there a lot more anti-abortion Libertarians than some realize.

I happen to know some anarchist-Libertarians who are vehemently anti-abortion. They say that without government protecting abortion doctors that it would be “open season” (as in hunting season) on abortion doctors.

Nowhere did I do that, and yes most of them do. Even the LP platform is against government intervention to protect preborn children, and unless they support allowing private citizens to do so, then they are indeed pro-murder.