Comments on: Ron Paul Gets Very Close to 3 Day Goal http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/ Tue, 07 Oct 2008 23:03:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Carl http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-310428 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:17:58 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-310428 Shouldn't thank me. 'Twas a reference to "Lost in Space." Shouldn’t thank me. ‘Twas a reference to “Lost in Space.”

]]> by: G.E. Smith http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-310417 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 19:05:53 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-310417 Carl Milsted's motto for Libertarians: "Backwards to the past, poverty, and petulance for liberty!" Not at all what Ron Paul stands for. Quit deluding yourself. BTW: Thanks for the promotion to Dr. Carl Milsted’s motto for Libertarians: “Backwards to the past, poverty, and petulance for liberty!”

Not at all what Ron Paul stands for. Quit deluding yourself.

BTW: Thanks for the promotion to Dr.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-310371 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 18:00:57 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-310371 Carl, unfortunately RP points back to pre-RvWade/states rights also. Carl, unfortunately RP points back to pre-RvWade/states rights also.

]]> by: Carl http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-310262 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 14:18:27 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-310262 Dr. Smith, you don't get it. Luddism is not so much about anti-technology as against centralization. It takes greater knowledge of biology to run an integrated organic farm than a modern monoculture farm that cranks out stuff that resembles food. A town with mom and pop stores has more capitalists than one where retail has been taken over by a few big block stores. Ron Paul points <i>backwards</i> to the days of family doctors vs. HMOs. And as I pointed out above, part of the original Internet was built by Luddites. -- I like progress too, but I am enough of an eco-conservative to recognize that new is not always better. Sometimes it is good to go backwards to recover good that has been lost. Other times it is better to abandon a bad idea from the past. Dr. Smith, you don’t get it. Luddism is not so much about anti-technology as against centralization.

It takes greater knowledge of biology to run an integrated organic farm than a modern monoculture farm that cranks out stuff that resembles food.

A town with mom and pop stores has more capitalists than one where retail has been taken over by a few big block stores.

Ron Paul points backwards to the days of family doctors vs. HMOs.

And as I pointed out above, part of the original Internet was built by Luddites.
—I like progress too, but I am enough of an eco-conservative to recognize that new is not always better. Sometimes it is good to go backwards to recover good that has been lost. Other times it is better to abandon a bad idea from the past.

]]> by: G.E. Smith http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309702 Sat, 27 Oct 2007 00:36:04 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309702 Carl thinks that the Fed and big government has produced all of our progress and that, in the absence of them, we wouldn't be cursed with modern technology. That is such a perverse and ridiculous point of view, I don't even know how to respond to it. Carl thinks that the Fed and big government has produced all of our progress and that, in the absence of them, we wouldn’t be cursed with modern technology.

That is such a perverse and ridiculous point of view, I don’t even know how to respond to it.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309484 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:20:24 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309484 A Shadow Cabinet would be nice. A Shadow Cabinet would be nice.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309469 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 20:01:33 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309469 Carl, I guess what I'm getting at is: What are you doing after "Free of Ron Paul Day"? Carl, I guess what I’m getting at is: What are you doing after “Free of Ron Paul Day”?

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309463 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:53:23 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309463 GES, in any mental match between you &#38; Carl,...Which begs the question again-Carl, what are you, a mentally myopic Paulie? GES, in any mental match between you & Carl,...Which begs the question again-Carl, what are you, a mentally myopic Paulie?

]]> by: Carl http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309456 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 19:42:50 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309456 A libertarian protesting the government imposed overhead that leads to such centralization. Without the FED playing games with the currency, you don't <i>have</i> to participate in the banking system to break even. Without the SEC overregulation, many industries would be more dispersed with capital available at a cheaper rate to smaller corporations. A libertarian protesting the government imposed overhead that leads to such centralization. Without the FED playing games with the currency, you don’t have to participate in the banking system to break even. Without the SEC overregulation, many industries would be more dispersed with capital available at a cheaper rate to smaller corporations.

]]> by: G.E. Smith http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309419 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 18:46:33 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309419 Luddites are the scum of the earth and 100% not what Ron Paul is about. They protested the steam-powered weaving mill? Shopping malls? They love poverty, depression, and death. They hate progress. I have a hard time envisioning Ron Paul decrying technology or shopping malls. Come on. This is the most absurd B.S. I've ever read here. A libertarian protesting shopping malls? Wow. Luddites are the scum of the earth and 100% not what Ron Paul is about.

They protested the steam-powered weaving mill? Shopping malls? They love poverty, depression, and death. They hate progress.

I have a hard time envisioning Ron Paul decrying technology or shopping malls.

Come on. This is the most absurd B.S. I’ve ever read here.

A libertarian protesting shopping malls? Wow.

]]> by: Carl http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309387 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 17:55:18 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309387 Luddism is more about decentralization than anti-technology. You don't see Luddites protesting sewing machines, electric motors, solar cells, or personal computers. They protest(ed) steam powered weaving mills, big hydroelectric dams, shopping malls, factory farming and nuclear power. Many modern day Luddites understand and wield technology better than their corporatist/socialist oppositions. In fact, one of the earliest non-governmental branches of the Internet was the Whole Earth 'Lectronic Link. ----- Oh, in other news. The Ron Paul ads are to start running on Monday. We'll see in a couple of weeks how well the RP message really plays... Luddism is more about decentralization than anti-technology. You don’t see Luddites protesting sewing machines, electric motors, solar cells, or personal computers. They protest(ed) steam powered weaving mills, big hydroelectric dams, shopping malls, factory farming and nuclear power. Many modern day Luddites understand and wield technology better than their corporatist/socialist oppositions. In fact, one of the earliest non-governmental branches of the Internet was the Whole Earth ‘Lectronic Link.
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Oh, in other news. The Ron Paul ads are to start running on Monday. We’ll see in a couple of weeks how well the RP message really plays…

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309325 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:26:46 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309325 Carl, how can the Ron Paul revolution be neo-luddite in nature &#38; be so inclusive-to say the least- of internet technology? Carl, how can the Ron Paul revolution be neo-luddite in nature & be so inclusive-to say the least- of internet technology?

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309318 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 16:10:55 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309318 Carl, I'm willing to admit that some of my prediction is wishful thinking. But if there is in fact a limited pool of RP supporters-at least in the libertarian section-&#38; those are internet savvy, then they should all be informed of his candidacy &#38; already supported him near max. So the idea of using his contributions to increase # of supporters should be erroneous as far as they are concerned. Now, can he increase his support in the non-libertarian sections? And this already includes leftists who are sympathetic to libertarianism. Agreed, "To a large degree he IS doing the progressive/libertarian alliance thing." But by going RP/RP he is ruining it. He is not getting any LP or GP support. He is not getting any coattails. It is a one man phenomenon destined to GOP failure. As far as neo-luddism v. socialism, this is getting into pretty complex social science. &#38; RP has not been very explicit on his positions on that. He's just been yelling his sound bites as loud &#38; quickly as possible (free media) &#38; responding to standard questions presented. Carl, I’m willing to admit that some of my prediction is wishful thinking. But if there is in fact a limited pool of RP supporters-at least in the libertarian section-& those are internet savvy, then they should all be informed of his candidacy & already supported him near max. So the idea of using his contributions to increase # of supporters should be erroneous as far as they are concerned. Now, can he increase his support in the non-libertarian sections? And this already includes leftists who are sympathetic to libertarianism. Agreed, “To a large degree he IS doing the progressive/libertarian alliance thing.” But by going RP/RP he is ruining it. He is not getting any LP or GP support. He is not getting any coattails. It is a one man phenomenon destined to GOP failure. As far as neo-luddism v. socialism, this is getting into pretty complex social science. & RP has not been very explicit on his positions on that. He’s just been yelling his sound bites as loud & quickly as possible (free media) & responding to standard questions presented.

]]> by: G.E. Smith http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309246 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 14:46:04 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309246 Ron Paul is not for Luddism or a "neighborhood-centric" economy, Carl. WTF is that? He is for global free trade, division of labor, and wealth. What you speak of is socialism. Ron Paul is not for Luddism or a “neighborhood-centric” economy, Carl. WTF is that? He is for global free trade, division of labor, and wealth. What you speak of is socialism.

]]> by: Carl http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309202 Fri, 26 Oct 2007 13:40:05 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/10/24/ron-paul-very-close-to-3-day-goal/#comment-309202 Robert, Your prediction of geometric downward fundraising is so far invalid. Using a linear extrapolation, he is already on a pace to do 50% better than his previous quarter. And that's assuming no more money for October, and no money raised in Hollywood after the Leno taping. To a large degree, Ron Paul <i>is</i> doing the progressive/libertarian alliance thing! His campaign is centered around bringing troops home and getting rid of corporate subsidies. Yes, some of Ron Paul's rhetoric seems lifted from the John Birch Society. But guess what: when I have attended meetings of local hippie-progressives, they sounded like Birchers in tie-dye! Jeffersonianism, Birchism, Hippie-Progressivism, Fundamentalism...are all examples of Luddism, the desire to have a more decentralized, neighborhood-centric economy. It's not simply about size of government. It's about size of institutions in general. This is why Ron Paul has so much more appeal than Objectivist libertarians. Robert,

Your prediction of geometric downward fundraising is so far invalid. Using a linear extrapolation, he is already on a pace to do 50% better than his previous quarter. And that’s assuming no more money for October, and no money raised in Hollywood after the Leno taping.

To a large degree, Ron Paul is doing the progressive/libertarian alliance thing! His campaign is centered around bringing troops home and getting rid of corporate subsidies. Yes, some of Ron Paul’s rhetoric seems lifted from the John Birch Society. But guess what: when I have attended meetings of local hippie-progressives, they sounded like Birchers in tie-dye!

Jeffersonianism, Birchism, Hippie-Progressivism, Fundamentalism…are all examples of Luddism, the desire to have a more decentralized, neighborhood-centric economy.

It’s not simply about size of government. It’s about size of institutions in general. This is why Ron Paul has so much more appeal than Objectivist libertarians.

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