=In a world with no economic regulations, like your dream-world, it can happen. And it can bite you in the ass.

=Hey, you support the right of a bigger business to take over your company and throw you out on the street without any rules or restrictions, it’s your funeral.

Tariffs are taxes on consumers for the benefit of industrialists and, to a much lesser extent, their workers. They are a welfare redistribution program.

=I believe Tariffs usually go to the federal government. It can go to welfare or funding the military or whatever.

And as for your assertion that this was not the true cause of the Civil War, you are simply wrong. The South, rightfully, did not want to be armed at gunpoint by the North via your beloved tariffs, so it seceded.

=And it lost! Plus they wanted to still keep slavery legal.

The North, in an effort to suck the South’s wealth, went to war with it. It is also illustrative that the North did this in the name of white supremacy,

=At first. They mainly wanted to stay a single nation and fulfill the manifest destiny.

just as admitted protectionists such as yourself do it in the name of some racial/national entitlement of native-born Americans.

=I’m LDS, I believe that was wrong for the government to do, the fed. government should’ve taken Brigham Young’s approach to feed and clothe the natives instead of fighting them.

This is Know-Nothingism, another forerunner to the GOP.

=I could give a damn about race, we need to protect our borders and our economy from any country or any race- even it it’s from Sweden.

The welfare state requires an energized, activist government. FDR did not come out of nowhere. In fact, your history is once again incorrect, because FDR only expounded on the programs set in place by the grand protectionist and poverty monger, Herbert Hoover. But regardless, neither Hoover nor FDR came out of nowhere. Their roots can be found in your heroes—the original big-government statists like Lincoln, TR, Wilson, etc.

=Basically they couldn’t leave a good thing alone.

You have some truly Communist leanings, Cody.

=I’m not the one whole’s a former Communist, err, I mean GP’er.

What does this mean? How can a company take mine over with the snap of a finger? They have to do it at a mutually agreed upon price. I cannot be forced to sell my company. It can only be taken over with my consent.

=In your world, businesses will have no restrictions, so there’s no guarentee your own business will stay safe or legally protected for long.

Or do you mean “my” company is the company for which I work? i.e. rank socialism, where the workers control the means of production?

=So you admit your company has a socialist structure to it? How hypocritical.

Or worse yet, do you mean my company is “taken over” as in defeated in the marketplace? Do you bemoan the fact that “my company” was defeated on the basis of giving better service in one form or another to customers, and think the government should prevent capitalistic progress that serves the market’s desires?

=So you don’t understand what I’m asking. I do it like this- in your world, a business like ‘Globaltech’ can come to you and stay “We want to aquire your business and make it part of Globaltech”, you tell them ‘no’, but they tell you “then we’ll force your business to merge with us anyway”, even if you try to stop them, they’ll probably bring in some pinkertons to beat you up and force your legal representative (if you have one) to alter some legal documents for your business and then it becomes a local ‘Globaltech’ company. If you don’t think business shouldn’t have any rules or restrictions, then you’ll be the one hurting in the end and there’s nothing you can do since the big businesses like Globaltech can legally buy off the courts and has the best lawyers protecting them.

That’s why I don’t support fascism.

Problem solved.

Where am I wrong?

Tariffs are taxes on consumers for the benefit of industrialists and, to a much lesser extent, their workers. They are a welfare redistribution program. And as for your assertion that this was not the true cause of the Civil War, you are simply wrong. The South, rightfully, did not want to be armed at gunpoint by the North via your beloved tariffs, so it seceded. The North, in an effort to suck the South’s wealth, went to war with it. It is also illustrative that the North did this in the name of white supremacy, just as admitted protectionists such as yourself do it in the name of some racial/national entitlement of native-born Americans. This is Know-Nothingism, another forerunner to the GOP.

The welfare state requires an energized, activist government. FDR did not come out of nowhere. In fact, your history is once again incorrect, because FDR only expounded on the programs set in place by the grand protectionist and poverty monger, Herbert Hoover. But regardless, neither Hoover nor FDR came out of nowhere. Their roots can be found in your heroes—the original big-government statists like Lincoln, TR, Wilson, etc.

You have some truly Communist leanings, Cody.

“Do you want a bigger business take over your company a the snap of a finger and kick you out?”

What does this mean? How can a company take mine over with the snap of a finger? They have to do it at a mutually agreed upon price. I cannot be forced to sell my company. It can only be taken over with my consent.

Or do you mean “my” company is the company for which I work? i.e. rank socialism, where the workers control the means of production?

Or worse yet, do you mean my company is “taken over” as in defeated in the marketplace? Do you bemoan the fact that “my company” was defeated on the basis of giving better service in one form or another to customers, and think the government should prevent capitalistic progress that serves the market’s desires?

Your philosophical underpinnings are very weak, Mr. Quirk.

=No, WW1 and poor banking was.

As you admit, protectionism is responsible for the Civil War

=It was only a small factor, there were too many cultural and economic differences between the North and South that the South wanted to break off. They lost.

It was the re-conversion to gold from the “greenback” in the post-War era that led to the Populist revolt, a direct effect of which was the Progressive Movement of the early 20th century that has given us the welfare state that you claim to despise, and yet, what are tariffs but a tax on consumers, as Ron Paul himself says.

=No GE, FDR gave us the welfare state, not the Progressives- without them, there’d be no safeguards- do you want to go back eating food with rat droppings in it? Do you want a bigger business take over your company a the snap of a finger and kick you out? The ‘welfare state’ didn’t happen until the 30’s. In fact getting rid of tariffs and quotas on immigration seemed to make it worse, and even with Libertarian globalization going on in the world, it only seems to add to that welfare state.

In Paul’s case—the most Important is Texas.

Ron Paul would be aa better fit. But those darn sore looser laws. It won’t happen.

=Correct!

=As a start, yes.

At least you admit that you’re a protectionist, Cody. It takes a lot of guts to stick up for the philosophy that gave us the Civil War,

=Yeah, and the protectionist North won- the Confederacy was pro-free trade and anti-tariff, In fact the CSA was very dependent on foreign trade and even had a anti-tariff Amendment in their Constitution. Did I mention that the CSA was VERY dependent on slave labor?

the Great Depression,

=Protectionism didn’t cause it. It was a factor of various problems, that included bad supply & demand and paying off WW1 debts. Add to that, the Dust Bowl.

and the welfare state.

=Today’s wefare state includes open borders and dependacy on globalization and job outsourcing.