Kubby Marriage Ends; Ex-Wife to Fundraise for Giuliani
In an e-mail sent out to supporters, marijuana activist and Libertarian Party presidential candidate Steve Kubby announced that he and his wife have just divorced “for irreconcilable differences.”
“Those differences, precipitated by the emotional trauma Michele suffered from being forced out of Canada, are very real and have changed her dramatically,” Kubby wrote. “As a result, Michele has announced she is ‘transitioning away from the marijuana culture’ and has started a new career as a fundraiser for Rudy Giuliani.”
Steve Kubby credited his ex-wife for serving “this movement with honor and courage for ten years ” and fighting “tirelessly for the rights of sick, disabled and dying patients.”
He stated, “Unfortunately, the pressure on her became overwhelming when we were threatened with having our children taken from us, something I can only describe as your worst nightmare. However shameful it may be that our government must resort to such horrible threats to intimidate and control political opposition, it nevertheless is extremely effective.”
Mayor Giuliani opposes the legalization of medical marijuana.
“I believe the effort to try and make marijuana available for medical uses is really a way to legalize it,” the Republican presidential candidate said at a recent town hall meeting. “There’s no reason for it.”
November 20th, 2007 at 4:06 pm
Californian Steve Kubby never, ever, ever returned email, voice mail, or postage. Was he ever their to begin with?
With all the readily, objective evidence on the benefits of herbal canibus has Michele really got much to show for her decade of ‘soldiering’?
November 20th, 2007 at 4:19 pm
Those of us who know Steve personally know of the same tattered Hero that always arises from amongst the people to serve the greater need – mostly at great personal risk to themselves.
Michele has fallen from the ranks – apparently – under the stress of combat that threatened her life as well as Steve and their childrens lives.
Where is there room for criticism here?
One Love revtombrown
November 20th, 2007 at 4:28 pm
Dr. Snyder,
Kubby has always been responsive to my calls and e-mails. I have no clue as to why you seem to be having some difficulty in that area.
November 20th, 2007 at 6:50 pm
I have worked with Steve for over a decade in fighting this unjust war against the sick and suffering. He has proven himself to be an intelligent, versatile, and dedicated warrior in fighting for rights of American citizens. I am deeply saddened that he has once again fallen victim the ignorance and intolerance that fuels this war and creates so much pain and suffering.
November 20th, 2007 at 9:06 pm
Nor, as abused veterans and fellow Californians, do we.
John Coffey, POB 2258, Barstow 92312-2258, 760.253.2371
Tish Firmiss, 263 Eucalyptus Court, Chula Vista 91910-3030, 619.420.0209
In the past few years we have mailed books, news letters, and personal correspondance. Oh, we never got around to shipping money. Ah, the cause and effect is some what clearer now!
Folks that cry for support with out even an email of acknowledgement are like the sweaty hiker comming out of the desert and complaining of the heat and thirst while constantly palming away a tall frosty icy glass of water.
November 20th, 2007 at 9:19 pm
Dr. Snyder,
After reading your last comment, I still don’t understand. What does shipping money have to do with anything? I’ve never shipped money and don’t recall ever giving Kubby money. If I did, the amount was so insubstantial that I don’t remember it.
What does Mr. Coffey’s contact information have to do with the topic at hand?
Perhaps I’m too dense to be able to effectively communicate with certain people on this site.
November 20th, 2007 at 9:39 pm
Or too english-speaking?
November 20th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Well, I guess we can call Michelle Kubby now “Another Libertarian for Giuliani.”
Just last week two Cato Institute Scholars signed on with Giuliani, as well.
For a full list of Libertarian Giuliani supporters check out www.libertarianrepublican.blogspot.com
November 20th, 2007 at 10:36 pm
DONDEROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
November 20th, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Dondero is “reporting” that Michele Kubby has “left” the Kubby campaign to become a Giuliani fundraiser.
Michele didn’t “leave” the Kubby campaign—because she was never part of it. Steve and Michele separated before his presidential campaign began. They just took their time working through the process of deciding to make that separation permanent and get a government-approved divorce. To the best of my knowledge, they have remained on good terms and have worked together to make the situation as non-traumatic as possible for their two lovely daughters.
As is so frequently the case, Mr. Dondero dishonors himself with hyperbolic claims that have no basis in fact.
Regards,
Tom Knapp
Communications Director
Kubby for President
November 20th, 2007 at 11:35 pm
Mister Gordon, our [Citizens For A Better Veterans Home] snide inference was that the non Democrat/ non Republican Kubby is just another political whore who needs the jingle of coins to ‘pay to play’ as far as supporter/ and later constituant——communications is concerned.
Follow the money, follow the money, or in Kubby and Federal Felon “Puke” Cunningham—-the case of no money from common folk!
November 21st, 2007 at 12:06 am
It’s just an embarrassment for the Kubby folks. Not the personal aspect, but the fact that she is working for Giuliani.
All these people here, and at the Reason Blog, and Liberty Papers, and other libertarian sites, day in and day out calling Giuliani a “Fascist”. And Steve Kubby’s own wife is now supporting him.
There’s more to this story, that I’m sure we’re not hearing.
November 21st, 2007 at 1:21 am
Steve Kubby’s wife must be vindictive. Giuliani is not even remotely libertarian. Watch these You Tube clips and learn the truth about the fascist scumbag Rudy Giuliani.
http://www.youtube.com/user/TouchingYou
November 21st, 2007 at 1:27 am
Mr. Dondero,
Once again, you need correction: Steve Kubby’s wife is not supporting Giuliani. Steve Kubby’s ex-wife is supporting Giuliani. Big difference.
You’re probably right that there’s “more to the story.” However, as someone who seems congenitally incapable of getting the known facts right, you’re probably not the guy to expect credibility when hypothesizing as to the unknown facts.
Here’s what I know:
– At the time I went to work for Steve Kubby, he informed me that he and Michelle had been separated for several months—since shortly after his release following their return from Canada and his release from jail.
– Steve Kubby declared his candidacy for the presidency of the United States on August 26th, 2006—several months after his separation from Michele.
– Rudy Giuliani formed his exploratory committee in November of 2006, and officially became a presidential candidate in February of 2007—long after Steve and Michele’s separation.
– At no time since I’ve been associated with Steve Kubby’s presidential campaign (i.e. since October of 2006) has Michele Kubby been associated with Steve Kubby’s presidential campaign. Not as a staffer, not as a volunteer, and not, so far as I know, as a publicly declared supporter or endorser.
If you’re interested in why Michele supports Giuliani, by all means try to find out. But please refrain from framing that inquiry in the false notion that her support for Giuliani constitutes some kind of “switch” or “defection” from a campaign with which she was never associated.
November 21st, 2007 at 1:38 am
Andy,
Please don’t leap to conclusions concerning Michele’s state of mind. If I had to guess why Michele is going to work for Giuliani, my logic would be fairly simple:
– My recollection is that Michele’s family are mostly Orange County Republicans, and that some of them are activists/party officials.
– Michele has a background in fundraising—specifically, raising money for Steve’s previous political campaigns and legal battles.
Put those two things together with two other things:
– Everyone needs a job; and
– Giuliani is probably hiring a lot of fundraisers in California;
... and the plausible explanation is “Michele Kubby found a job, through her family connections, in a field she’s familiar with.”
Naturally, I’d rather see Michele raising funds for Steve’s campaign than for Giuliani’s … but although their separation/divorce has been amicable, I don’t think there was ever any likelihood that she was going to remain associated with Steve’s political activities. Both as an individual and in the context of events as they have actually transpired, I see no reason to believe that her association with Giuliani’s campaign can in any way be plausibly attributed to some kind of vindictive mindset.
Regards,
Tom Knapp
November 21st, 2007 at 9:48 am
Andy must be an asshole. He’s not even remotely libertarian. Why is he here on a libertarian board.
I don’t understand why our libertarian movement has been infiltrated by such libertarian posers like the communist/fascist “Andy.”
November 21st, 2007 at 9:51 am
Face it Knapp, this is a major embarrassment for you and the Kubby campaign. Stop trying to make lemons out of lemonade.
You can explain it away all you want. You can talk about little technicalities about how Kubby’s wife is actually “Kubby’s ex-wife” blah, blah, blah.
Point is you hate Giuliani. Kubby’s people hate Giuliani. And the one person closest to Steve Kubby for the last few years, the Mother of his children in fact, is now a Giuliani supporter.
There’s really nothing else that needs to be said on the subject.
November 21st, 2007 at 10:41 am
Dondero: “There’s really nothing else that needs to be said on the subject.”
I’m sure you won’t let that stop you.
November 21st, 2007 at 12:08 pm
Mr. Dondero,
If it’s a “major embarrassment” for the Kubby campaign, then why was it rolled out by … um … Steve Kubby? So far as I know, Michele isn’t a high-level Giuliani staffer or anything, so Kubby could have just kept his silence and likely her choice of employer would never have been noticed in the LP.
You have a long record of taking trivial odds and ends and trying to make them into BIG NEWS. Usually—and this case is no exception—your chief accomplishments in those attempts are to 1) get the facts wrong and 2) make an ass of yourself.
November 21st, 2007 at 2:03 pm
Eric D.-
Your posts make for great entertainment – too bad you seem like such a d$#@.
When it comes to “who should I listen to” about this story, I think Steve Kubby and Tom Knapp are far better informed and more trustworthy than you are. They seem, on the evidence, to be better human beings than you are.
It’s fine to shill for Rudy if thats what you are getting paid for, but please stop the “Giuliani is a libertarian” nonsense. You know it’s not true, and so does anyone who takes the slightest look at his positions.
You seem to assume Kubby’s ex-wife was as libertarian as he is, but it sounds like she may not have been (I don’t know her, so am just guessing). Don’t characterize her as a “Libertarian for Giuliani” unless you can show statements by HER - not just MM-issue ones either – that prove she was Libertarian.
November 21st, 2007 at 2:26 pm
No, I am not getting paid by Giuliani, nor have any connection to his campaign. I’m just a big supporter.
Hey, I sort of like Steve Kubby. And I don’t mean any ill will. The guy seems to have a maverick streak to him, in that he seems very willing to try new things, new stategies. Witness his out of the blue endorsement of Ron Paul. I like this maverick streak from him. In fact, I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: Steve Kubby would make a far, far superior candidate for the LP in 2008 than George Phillies. Could be as much as 100,000 to 200,000 difference in the vote total.
Note, it was Stephen Gordon, a very reliable source, who said that Michelle Kubby was now a “Libertarian for Giuliani,” not I. I merely reported on Gordon’s news.
November 21st, 2007 at 2:27 pm
BTW, I just reported on another aspect of this story over at www.mainstreamlibertarian.com that hasn’t been reported anywheres else. Seems Michelle Kubby is working for other GOPers too.
November 21st, 2007 at 8:20 pm
Eric Dondero Says:
November 21st, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Note, it was Stephen Gordon, a very reliable source, who said that Michelle Kubby was now a “Libertarian for Giuliani,” not I.
Eric Dondero Says:
November 20th, 2007 at 9:57 pm
Well, I guess we can call Michelle Kubby now “Another Libertarian for Giuliani.”
Hey Dondero, do you often confuse yourself with Stephen Gordon? Mr. Gordon doesn’t say anything about Mr. Kubby’s ex-wife being a libertarian. But then again, if you think Giuliani is a libertarian, I suppose you think everyone is a libertarian – even yourself.
But don’t feel bad, there are some PhD’s around here that are incoherent as well.
November 21st, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Got a question for ya Knapp. How do you think Michelle Kubby would score on the WSPQ?
Would she get a better score than 66/66?
Damn right she would.
In other words…
SHE’S A LIBERTARIAN.
So, shut the fuck up on the subject. Case closed. Nuff said
November 21st, 2007 at 10:45 pm
Got a question for ya Knapp. How do you think Michelle Kubby would score on the WSPQ?
Would she get a better score than 66/66?
Damn right she would.
In other words…
SHE’S A LIBERTARIAN.
So, shut the fuck up on the subject. Case closed. Nuff said
November 21st, 2007 at 10:54 pm
Eric Dondero Says:
November 21st, 2007 at 2:26 pm
Note, it was Stephen Gordon, a very reliable source, who said that Michelle Kubby was now a “Libertarian for Giuliani,” not I.
I never said anything remotely resembling Dondero’s claim.
November 22nd, 2007 at 12:03 am
How do you think Michelle Kubby would score on the WSPQ?
I have no idea. Do you? Why or why not?
Do you know her? Tried the test out on her?
IF she ever was a libertarian…maybe her views have changed?
MAYBE she never was a libertarian. I have no idea.
I wouldn’t assume she was just because her ex-husband is. I know lots of couples who don’t agree on politics. And lots of people who change their views at one time or another. So what?
November 22nd, 2007 at 10:06 am
Stephen Gordon is lying through his cigarette stained yellow teeth.
His exact quote was that Michelle Kubby was “now joined the Giuliani campaign as a fundraiser.”
Okay, Michelle Kubby is a “libertarian.” She now works for the Giuliani campaign. She is by definition a LIBERTARIAN FOR GIULIANI
November 22nd, 2007 at 10:08 am
Go Go Gadget, just by the fact alone that she is a Republican from Orange County, California makes her a libertarian.
99% of all Orange County, CA Republicans are libertarians.
We’re not talking Alabama here, or Utah, or New York State. We’re talking the most libertarian County in the Country. And we’re not talking an “Orange County Democrat” either. We’re talking Orange County Repubican, which is basically synonmous with LIBERTARIAN.
November 23rd, 2007 at 1:49 am
Stephen Gordon is lying through his cigarette stained yellow teeth.
His exact quote was that Michelle Kubby was “now joined the Giuliani campaign as a fundraiser.”
Okay, Michelle Kubby is a “libertarian.”
Um, nope. Steve never said Michelle Kubby (if indeed she still uses that name) is a libertarian. You did.
She now works for the Giuliani campaign.
That part is true. The part about her being a libertarian is conjecture.
And while working for Giuliani is evidence that she supports him, it’s not absolute proof. She is presumably being paid; maybe she’s just doing it for the money.
99% of all Orange County, CA Republicans are libertarians.
That is totally preposterous.
Orange County has a huge evangelical Christian population and is chock full of neocon/theocon “red state fascists”. Of course, it has some “libertarian Republicans” too, but even by Eric’s uniquely silly definition of what constitutes a libertarian, many Orange County Republicans are not anywhere close.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:08 am
Ed Royce.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_royce
Edward Randall “Ed” Royce (born October 12, 1951), an American politician, has been a Republican member of the United States House of Representatives since 1993, representing the heavily Republican 40th District of California in northern Orange County, including portions of Stanton, Cypress, Buena Park, Fullerton, Placentia, and Orange.
Royce is a social conservative, having voted against same-sex marriage, against gay adoption, in favor of school prayer, and in favor of school vouchers. He has a 92% rating from the Christian Coalition in terms of his voting record on families and children. He is pro-life, his votes resulting in NARAL’s most consistent possible score.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:17 am
Or, maybe Sheriff Mike Carona is Eric’s idea of a libertarian Republican?
http://www.ocweekly.com/news/news/sex-bomb/18560/
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:20 am
Carona archive
http://www.ocweekly.com/index.php?option=com_content2&task=more_by_keyword&keyword=sheriff_archive&list_title=Sheriff+Scandal+Archive&Itemid=116
November 23rd, 2007 at 3:38 am
Maybe Richard Nixon is Eric’s idea of a libertarian?
November 23rd, 2007 at 7:07 am
Those “Red State Fascists” as you call them are 90% libertarians.
But then again, you must be one of those Anarchists posing as a Libertarian. So, I can see how someone who doesn’t agree with you 100% in aboloshing all government could earn the “Fascist” label.
November 23rd, 2007 at 7:12 am
As for Ed Royce, his voting record is quite good from a libertarian perspective. At the RLC Liberty Index he’s been pretty much in the 80’s throughout his Congressional career.
Plus, and more importantly IMHO, his staff has been flooded with hardcore libertarians. His Chief of Staff for a decade was Jon Fleischman, an oldtime libertarian YAFer, and close friend of Tom Lizarod, Ron Paul’s longtime Chief of Staff.
I think if you asked Lizardo, he’d tell you that Royce and his office are among the closest of any Congressmen on the Hill to Ron Paul’s office, and most cooperative.
Eric Dondero, Fmr. Senior Aide
US Congressman Ron Paul (R-TX)
1997-2003
November 23rd, 2007 at 7:15 am
Ed Royce voted in “favor of school vouchers.” And that’s supposed to be proof that he’s a “Fascist?”
Well, jiminee crickets, I always thought libertarians were in favor of school vouchers. Thanks for correcting me on that one.
November 23rd, 2007 at 10:20 am
Actually, Eric, real libertarians are against school vouchers. Government money comes with strings attached.
But how typical of you to pick out one point. Somebody does not get a 92 from the Christian Coalition by being a libertarian.
Was Richard Nixon a libertarian? Is Mike Carona a libertarian? Please tell us how and why, oh all-knowing one.
Why would an anarchist “pose” as a libertarian? Libertarians ARE ANARCHISTS!
Red State Fascists, 90% libertarian? How’s that? Yeah, I know you think warmongers are libertarian, but they are also for big spending and social conservatism at the point of a gun.
November 23rd, 2007 at 10:30 am
Giuliani=Police State
Welcome to Giuliani’s police state: No public criticism of the Mayor allowed, no marches or demonstrations by groups the Mayor doesn’t like, no right to privacy on the streets, no information provided that might prove embarrassing to the Mayor, no monitoring of city policies by outside groups.
It’s important to remember the mind-set that devised these assaults on our freedoms because Giuliani is now seriously considering running for higher office—U.S. Senator or even President. America should beware a politician whose trademarks are controlling access to information and intimidating those who disagree with him.
Giuliani’s Police State
A recent example of Giuliani’s overkill is his response to an AIDS demonstration a few weeks ago. First, it took a federal court order before the city would grant a permit for several hundred demonstrators to march. Then the marchers were not allow to congregate on City Hall steps. Instead, the police forced them into spaces between concrete barricades, videotaped the proceedings, and positioned snipers armed with rifles on the roof of City Hall looking down on them. This is the sort of reaction we would expect of a third world dictator.
The barricades are just the latest evidence that Giuliani has allowed his official position to go to his head. There’s the suppression of public information, the harassment of street artists and vendors, and a fence around City Hall Park. He’s even banned playing stick ball in the streets!
Then there’s the city’s response to the numerous lawsuits brought to enforce the laws impartially or provide information that belongs in the public domain. Typically, Giuliani loses the case in court, appeals the decision, and continues his actions. His strategy is to wear down the opposition.
Last July, the city was forced to end an unevenly enforced ban on public gatherings on the steps of City Hall. Rather than comply with the court order, Giuliani decided that all gatherings on City Hall steps would be banned. In defiance of his edict, several members of the City Council held a meeting on the steps but weren’t arrested. Apparently even Giuliani saw how silly he’d look arresting Council members for gathering on the steps of City Hall.
The news media, nonprofits, and other public officials have had to go to court to pry loose data from the city. To evade having to disclose information, the city says it doesn’t collect data in several areas, including the tracking of former welfare recipients and the job progress of WEP workers. The idea is that the city can’t turn over information that it doesn’t have.
CSSNY
Keep in mind this article was written in 1999. Several years before the MOSSAD/CIA attack on NYC.
Giuliani’s unquenchable lust for power makes him the least fit candidate for president.
He’d take the state security apparatus that the Bush/Cheney cabal has instituted and make it even more draconian.
Giuliani is a ruthless despot that will have no qualms about shredding what is left of the Constitution and Bill of Rights.
And being a draft dodger like Cheney—SIX deferments—means Giuliani will be another war monger serving up death and destruction to please his Zionist masters.
November 23rd, 2007 at 1:09 pm
Sorry Al, but I worked in Ron Paul’s Congressional campaigns in the 1990s. Ron and the Campaign bragged about his high Christian Coaltion scores all the time, in brochures, literature, newspaper interviews, and most definitely in speeches to the Christian Coalition in the District.
I don’t remember him being quite as high as 92, but his score was pretty damn respectable – high 70s or 80s.
School Vouchers IS MOST CERTAINLY A LIBERTARIAN STANCE
Has been for 30 or 40 years.
You’re right, it’s not an Anarchist stance. But then again, I could give a flying fuck about the Anarchists, cause I’m a libertarian NOT A RADICAL ANARCHIST.
Notice you completely avoided the subject of Jon Fleischman, Royce’s longtime Chief of Staff, a hardcore self-described “libertarian” and a friend of Ron Paul’s Chief of Staff Tom Lizardo from the YAF days.
Do you honestly think a run-of-the-mill conservative Republican would hire someone as hardcore as Fleischman as his Chief?
And incidentally, ALL CALIFORNIA REPUBLICANS are much more libertarian than your typical Republicans from other states. Just by the fact that they are from California skews it in their favor.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:33 pm
Good job Eric!
Richard Nixon was a libertarian?
Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed and the Christian Coalition – libertarian?
Bob Dornan, Duncan Hunter, Darryl Gates, John Schmitz…all libertarians, I’m sure.
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:45 pm
Congressman Jerry Lewis – libertarian, I’m sure…
http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Jerry_Lewis.htm
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:47 pm
Dan Lungren – libertarian?
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:51 pm
How about Brian Bilbray?
November 23rd, 2007 at 2:54 pm
“cause I’m a libertarian NOT A RADICAL ANARCHIST.”
Congrats Eric you have just contradicted yourself once again!
November 23rd, 2007 at 3:10 pm
“Notice you completely avoided the subject of Jon Fleischman, Royce’s longtime Chief of Staff, a hardcore self-described “libertarian”
So what? Bill Clinton is a self described libertarian too. So are you. According to you, Richard Nixon and Daryl Gates were/are libertarians.
“and a friend of Ron Paul’s Chief of Staff Tom Lizardo from the YAF days.”
What does that have to do with what he believes NOW. much less what his boss believes?
http://www.ontheissues.org/CA/Ed_Royce.htm
* Voted NO on funding for alternative sentencing instead of more prisons. (Jun 2000)
* Voted YES on more prosecution and sentencing for juvenile crime. (Jun 1999)
* Voted NO on maintaining right of habeus corpus in Death Penalty Appeals. (Mar 1996)
* Voted YES on making federal death penalty appeals harder. (Feb 1995)
* Voted NO on replacing death penalty with life imprisonment. (Apr 1994)
* Rated 0% by CURE, indicating anti-rehabilitation crime votes. (Dec 2000)
Voted NO on allowing Courts to decide on “God” in Pledge of Allegiance. (Jul 2006)
Supports requiring schools to allow prayer. (Jan 2001)
Supports a Constitutional Amendment for school prayer. (May 1997)
Voted NO on removing oil & gas exploration subsidies. (Jan 2007)
Voted YES on deploying SDI. (Mar 1999)
* Voted YES on building a fence along the Mexican border. (Sep 2006)
* Voted YES on preventing tipping off Mexicans about Minuteman Project. (Jun 2006)
* Voted YES on reporting illegal aliens who receive hospital treatment. (May 2004)
* Voted NO on extending Immigrant Residency rules. (May 2001)
* Voted NO on more immigrant visas for skilled workers. (Sep 1998)
* Rated 100% by FAIR, indicating a voting record restricting immigration. (Dec 2003)
Voted YES on end offshore tax havens
I guess that’s what passes for a libertarian conservative.
I hate to see the less libertarian ones.
November 23rd, 2007 at 3:20 pm
Randy “Duke” Cunningham, another Dondero Libertarian!
November 24th, 2007 at 4:13 pm
Everyone Needs a Job ( well, not really), BUT:
If my wife were a cancer patient and political activist/candidate who had been persecuted and jailed by the U.S. government for taking her medicine.. and we ended up divorcing,
I would rather starve to death than take a fucking dime working for someone who is not only a political opponent of my ex-spouse ( regardless of what happened to the marriage) but also wants to jail and possibly KILL her and others like her..not to mention is an all-around asshole and enemy of freedom like Guiliani.
There’s really nothing else that needs to be said about that.
November 24th, 2007 at 5:18 pm
I think Giuliani is a libertarian, just like me.