Comments on: Mike Gravel as a Third Party Candidate? http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/ Thu, 21 Aug 2008 20:46:05 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: graysonga http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-481257 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 07:43:46 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-481257 I am from Georgia, Cynthia will not have even a slight chance here much less on a national scale. She is far to into herself and her own pockets. Her father a long time state rep has been defeated as well and Georgia has all sighed collected sigh of relief. Not to mention she is a radical Islamic and that would never play on a national scale. The only vialble third party candidat looks like Mike Gravel or possibly Ron Paul if he would commit to run.....Paul / Gravel ticket?..... ponder the possibilities! I am from Georgia, Cynthia will not have even a slight chance here much less on a national scale. She is far to into herself and her own pockets. Her father a long time state rep has been defeated as well and Georgia has all sighed collected sigh of relief. Not to mention she is a radical Islamic and that would never play on a national scale. The only vialble third party candidat looks like Mike Gravel or possibly Ron Paul if he would commit to run…..Paul / Gravel ticket?..... ponder the possibilities!

]]> by: Dave http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-403490 Thu, 27 Dec 2007 12:40:36 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-403490 If Gravel gets enough money for the real presidential race he can run ads exposing the other candidates as being for continuing the war and politics as usual. People are tired of this shit. They should be ready to take a third party candidate seriously. And maybe the guy will win and save our country. Or probably some turd or douche will win. And we'll be royally fucked. I hope it's the former. If Gravel gets enough money for the real presidential race he can run ads exposing the other candidates as being for continuing the war and politics as usual. People are tired of this shit. They should be ready to take a third party candidate seriously. And maybe the guy will win and save our country. Or probably some turd or douche will win. And we’ll be royally fucked. I hope it’s the former.

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-398961 Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:46:58 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-398961 I'm an ass. I think I can leverage my bad name by using it to try to crush Ron Paul's run for President. I'll do everything I can if I think it will hurt Ron Paul. I’m an ass. I think I can leverage my bad name by using it to try to crush Ron Paul’s run for President. I’ll do everything I can if I think it will hurt Ron Paul.

]]> by: G.E. http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-397304 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 22:11:11 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-397304 "Ron Paul has flately denied any possibility of running on a Third Party Ticket or as an Independant." -- This is an outright lie. How can someone be so bold in their lying? It's amazing. “Ron Paul has flately denied any possibility of running on a Third Party Ticket or as an Independant.”—This is an outright lie. How can someone be so bold in their lying? It’s amazing.

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396455 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 10:03:00 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396455 Austin, you left out Wayne Root on the Libertarian ticket. You could see: A Democrat A Republican Wayne Root, Libertarian Cynthia McKinney, Greens Jim Gilchrist, Constitution Party Mike Gravel, Independent Michael Bloomberg, Independent Ron Paul, Independent/American Party coalition Austin, you left out Wayne Root on the Libertarian ticket.

You could see:

A Democrat
A Republican
Wayne Root, Libertarian
Cynthia McKinney, Greens
Jim Gilchrist, Constitution Party
Mike Gravel, Independent
Michael Bloomberg, Independent
Ron Paul, Independent/American Party coalition

]]> by: johncjackson http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396341 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:28:03 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396341 I doubt Gravel would do any better than the candidates in the "lower tier" minor parties always do. Maybe he could do as well as Cobb did! As much as Ron Paul fans complain about his lack of coverage in the mainstream, he probably gets 1000 times the recognition Gravel does. If Ron Paul goes 3rd party, he takes a lot of money and probably hundreds of thousands of passionate supporters with him. He has raised money, made the news on many occasions, been in high profile debate exchanges. IF ( even though I still doubt and hope he does not) Ron Paul decides to run Ind/3rd, running as a Republican will have helped him greatly. Gravel, on the other hand. Has running as a Democrat really helped him at all? Has he raised millions of dollars? How many supporters does he have, A room full? Once you go "3rd party" you get even less media coverage, zero debate inclusion ( well, excepts for those debates with all the other minor parties on CSPAN) and so on. If you have zero support as a Republican or DEm, you are prbably going to get even less.-the standard fraction of a %. I doubt Gravel would do any better than the candidates in the “lower tier” minor parties always do. Maybe he could do as well as Cobb did!

As much as Ron Paul fans complain about his lack of coverage in the mainstream, he probably gets 1000 times the recognition Gravel does. If Ron Paul goes 3rd party, he takes a lot of money and probably hundreds of thousands of passionate supporters with him. He has raised money, made the news on many occasions, been in high profile debate exchanges. IF ( even though I still doubt and hope he does not) Ron Paul decides to run Ind/3rd, running as a Republican will have helped him greatly.

Gravel, on the other hand. Has running as a Democrat really helped him at all? Has he raised millions of dollars? How many supporters does he have, A room full?

Once you go “3rd party” you get even less media coverage, zero debate inclusion ( well, excepts for those debates with all the other minor parties on CSPAN) and so on. If you have zero support as a Republican or DEm, you are prbably going to get even less.-the standard fraction of a %.

]]> by: Austin Cassidy http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396334 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 07:19:54 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396334 Wow, so in theory would could wind up with... A Democrat A Republican Mike Bloomberg Ron Paul Cynthia McKinney Mike Gravel And who knows... maybe Ralph Nader, Sam Nunn, Alan Keyes, and others. I could very easily see Gravel creating his own party around some of his ideas, which go far beyond anti-war stuff into direct democracy and national initiative elections and such. Wow, so in theory would could wind up with…

A Democrat
A Republican
Mike Bloomberg
Ron Paul
Cynthia McKinney
Mike Gravel

And who knows… maybe Ralph Nader, Sam Nunn, Alan Keyes, and others.

I could very easily see Gravel creating his own party around some of his ideas, which go far beyond anti-war stuff into direct democracy and national initiative elections and such.

]]> by: Rainer http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396245 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:46:02 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396245 Paul / Gravel would be great, and Paul/Kucinich would be even better, for a Unity Third Party ticket. Paul / Gravel would be great, and Paul/Kucinich would be even better, for a Unity Third Party ticket.

]]> by: Jason Gatties http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396238 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 05:34:38 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396238 Haha..he should seek the LP nomination. I started a myspace profile titled "Libertarians for Gravel" and although I have a few "friends", most are bands spamming and current Gravel supporters and I'm pretty much the only Libertarian supporting Gravel. I may be alone but if he did seek a 3rd Party run, I'd vote for him. I like the guy. Haha..he should seek the LP nomination. I started a myspace profile titled “Libertarians for Gravel” and although I have a few “friends”, most are bands spamming and current Gravel supporters and I’m pretty much the only Libertarian supporting Gravel. I may be alone but if he did seek a 3rd Party run, I’d vote for him. I like the guy.

]]> by: Seth Cohn http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396198 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 04:06:59 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396198 Gravel spoke at the LPNH convention in Oct 2006 seeking our support, and had no real support there, and everyone felt he was completely out of place, and didn't have a clue about Libertarian ideals at all. That said, Dan Belforti of http://leftrightandcorrect.com has supported him for quite some time. Gravel spoke at the LPNH convention in Oct 2006 seeking our support, and had no real support there, and everyone felt he was completely out of place, and didn’t have a clue about Libertarian ideals at all. That said, Dan Belforti of http://leftrightandcorrect.com has supported him for quite some time.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396051 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:38:09 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396051 Fred C., Interesting that when Gravel grasps at straws with an idea that I've advocated for years, he actually at least gets listened to. He'll run into the same problems e.g. party bylaws demanding membership exclusivity for candidates etc. It is only necessary to get the nomination of the green & libertarian parties. They would become more inclusive & the rest would become superfluous/irrelevent. At least I don't have the baggage of being a member of the dem or rep party like Gravel & RP/RP. Fred C., Interesting that when Gravel grasps at straws with an idea that I’ve advocated for years, he actually at least gets listened to. He’ll run into the same problems e.g. party bylaws demanding membership exclusivity for candidates etc. It is only necessary to get the nomination of the green & libertarian parties. They would become more inclusive & the rest would become superfluous/irrelevent. At least I don’t have the baggage of being a member of the dem or rep party like Gravel & RP/RP.

]]> by: Tom Blanton http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396045 Sun, 23 Dec 2007 01:34:26 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-396045 Mr. Winger is right. I like Mike Gravel, but wouldn't vote for him. That said, I think he would be a great VP choice for Cynthia McKinney. After all, he's been out of politics for decades. When the Dems stopped inviting him to the debates, the entertainment factor dropped by 90% - they should have made him a debate moderator. It's certainly no surprise that Bob "The Real Conservative" Smither would be joining the GOP, he was a Republican when he was a Libertarian. Mr. Winger is right.

I like Mike Gravel, but wouldn’t vote for him. That said, I think he would be a great VP choice for Cynthia McKinney. After all, he’s been out of politics for decades.

When the Dems stopped inviting him to the debates, the entertainment factor dropped by 90% – they should have made him a debate moderator.

It’s certainly no surprise that Bob “The Real Conservative” Smither would be joining the GOP, he was a Republican when he was a Libertarian.

]]> by: Richard Winger http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-395781 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:59:04 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-395781 Ron Paul has never, ever "denied any possibility of running" outside the major parties for president. Can't people read? He always says he has no intention of doing that. But anyone's intention can change tomorrow. Ron Paul has never, ever “denied any possibility of running” outside the major parties for president. Can’t people read? He always says he has no intention of doing that. But anyone’s intention can change tomorrow.

]]> by: Fred C. http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-395770 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:45:29 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-395770 Unfortunately a late bolt by Gravel would mean he'd have (almost) as much trouble as Robert Milnes trying to get the Green nomination. I don't think former Senators like playing second chair to former House members either, so I doubt he'll try to get on as McKinney's VP. Even so, I understand he has some kind of following among Greens, and more experienced candidates seeking their nomination has to be considered a net positive. Unfortunately a late bolt by Gravel would mean he’d have (almost) as much trouble as Robert Milnes trying to get the Green nomination. I don’t think former Senators like playing second chair to former House members either, so I doubt he’ll try to get on as McKinney’s VP. Even so, I understand he has some kind of following among Greens, and more experienced candidates seeking their nomination has to be considered a net positive.

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-395752 Sat, 22 Dec 2007 20:27:37 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/22/mike-gravel-as-a-third-party-candidate/#comment-395752 There are 12 other Republicans running for that seat, including Sekula-Gibbs and a libertarian-leaning Conservative State Rep. Bob will have a tough fight. But with 12 in there, he could make the run-off. Then, it's anyone's guess? There are 12 other Republicans running for that seat, including Sekula-Gibbs and a libertarian-leaning Conservative State Rep. Bob will have a tough fight. But with 12 in there, he could make the run-off. Then, it’s anyone’s guess?

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