Comments on: Ron Paul and Third Parties Again http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/ Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:08:31 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-415693 Thu, 03 Jan 2008 04:47:45 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-415693 He's spoken at many CP meetings before, guess the trade issue isn't a problem. And I agree with you Bill. He’s spoken at many CP meetings before, guess the trade issue isn’t a problem.

And I agree with you Bill.

]]> by: G.E. http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-415430 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 23:50:13 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-415430 He has made no such promise, Bill! Cody - You are right. I'm not into the "the CPers are Nazis!" game anymore, but the principle remains: Just because they endorse Ron Paul does not mean he endorses them 100%. I think he endorses more than 50% of the CP platform, but on the issue of trade, he is 100% opposite. He has made no such promise, Bill!

Cody – You are right. I’m not into the “the CPers are Nazis!” game anymore, but the principle remains: Just because they endorse Ron Paul does not mean he endorses them 100%. I think he endorses more than 50% of the CP platform, but on the issue of trade, he is 100% opposite.

]]> by: Bill Dodge http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-415174 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 18:22:24 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-415174 As an officer in the Constitution Party of Minnesota I will say that (if the Good Doctor doesn't get the GOP nod) I would rather see him run and an Independent than either LP or CP. Not only would he then be keeping his promise to not run as a third-party candidate, but if he went with either the CP or the LP, there would be a number of members in the other party who would stop supporting him. This way he keeps support from both of these parties, as well as keeps his word. But this may all be simply unnecessary discussion, as hopefully he gets the GOP nomination and there's finally a presidential candidate who honors the Constitution! As an officer in the Constitution Party of Minnesota I will say that (if the Good Doctor doesn’t get the GOP nod) I would rather see him run and an Independent than either LP or CP. Not only would he then be keeping his promise to not run as a third-party candidate, but if he went with either the CP or the LP, there would be a number of members in the other party who would stop supporting him. This way he keeps support from both of these parties, as well as keeps his word. But this may all be simply unnecessary discussion, as hopefully he gets the GOP nomination and there’s finally a presidential candidate who honors the Constitution!

]]> by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-414739 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 13:57:14 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-414739 Yet Ron wouldn't reject our endorsement if he ran as a independent. Yet Ron wouldn’t reject our endorsement if he ran as a independent.

]]> by: G.E. http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-413981 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 03:00:48 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-413981 There are major portions of the CP platform with which Ron Paul disagrees; most notably, there horribly mercantilist, Lincolnian views on trade. There are major portions of the CP platform with which Ron Paul disagrees; most notably, there horribly mercantilist, Lincolnian views on trade.

]]> by: Cody Quirk http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-413889 Wed, 02 Jan 2008 01:38:57 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-413889 How strong is the Constitution Party at the state level. =Very good in the west, particularly in the Rocky Mountain states. Do they have any paid staff at any state level? =Ditto. How many elected people do they have? =Not counting Rick Jore, we currently got 15 local and county office holders, including the two people we recently elected in Michigan and Utah. In Georgia I do not believe they have anything going on. =IMO their state party is a joke. Or they stronger in states where the LP is not. =They dominate Nevada, and are strong in Utah. I believe we have the resorces to get on the ballot in 45-48 states. In georgia if he ran as a Constitution Party member he would need over 100,000 signatures. The local libertarians would not want to help get on the ballot because it would be to easy to lose our ballot acces. And the next time we will not have the resorces to gather the signatures without a Ron Paul type candidate. =Then he could try 'write-in' status in that state if the LP won't help him. How strong is the Constitution Party at the state level.

=Very good in the west, particularly in the Rocky Mountain states.

Do they have any paid staff at any state level?

=Ditto.

How many elected people do they have?

=Not counting Rick Jore, we currently got 15 local and county office holders, including the two people we recently elected in Michigan and Utah.

In Georgia I do not believe they have anything going on.

=IMO their state party is a joke.

Or they stronger in states where the LP is not.

=They dominate Nevada, and are strong in Utah.

I believe we have the resorces to get on the ballot in 45-48 states. In georgia if he ran as a Constitution Party member he would need over 100,000 signatures. The local libertarians would not want to help get on the ballot because it would be to easy to lose our ballot acces. And the next time we will not have the resorces to gather the signatures without a Ron Paul type candidate.

=Then he could try ‘write-in’ status in that state if the LP won’t help him.

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412745 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 14:08:34 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412745 Disinter, Ron Paul did himself in when he refused to return that $500 check from Nazi leader Don Black, and when he dissed his own country for the attacks of 9/11. Ron Paul has a lot of baggage. His association with 3rd parties is among the least of his concerns. Disinter, Ron Paul did himself in when he refused to return that $500 check from Nazi leader Don Black, and when he dissed his own country for the attacks of 9/11.

Ron Paul has a lot of baggage. His association with 3rd parties is among the least of his concerns.

]]> by: disinter http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412344 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 06:45:57 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412344 I see Gordon is continuing his agenda to ensure Ron Paul loses at all costs... as if Ron Paul is going to turn into a complete idiot and waste valuable time (and his House seat) on a futile 3rd-party run... I see Gordon is continuing his agenda to ensure Ron Paul loses at all costs… as if Ron Paul is going to turn into a complete idiot and waste valuable time (and his House seat) on a futile 3rd-party run…

]]> by: Robert B. Winn http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412278 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 05:17:07 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412278 You third party people have not fully considered what it means to be independent. Why would anyone want to be a party wannabe. As an actual independent voter, I can register as a candidate for President with the Federal Election Commission the same way George Washington did, without a vice-President running mate. Party wannabes have not yet seen what an advantage this gives the independent voter who is registered as a candidate for President. This splits the political party vote. Who will be vice-President if an independent voter is elected President? Well, obviously, the party vice-Presidential candidate who gets the most votes will become vice-President of the United States, since the independent voter elected President has no running mate. The duties of the vice-President are to preside over the Senate. John Nance Garner said that this job was not worth a bucket of warm spit. It should go to a political party candidate. So we will have an independent voter as President and a party politician in the vice-Presidency, even though that party's Presidential candidate lost the election. Match that, political party wannabes. Actually, the Republican-Democrat Party started this anomaly by running two candidates for President in the election of 1800. Now that makes more sense. Abraham Lincoln was elected because the opposing party ran more than one candidate. Two Democrat candidates in 1860 seemed to have a good effect, until it resulted in party primaries and all the political party wannabes of today. A real independent runs without a running mate. This running mate thing has always seemed a little suspect to me. I would rather have a Political party vice-President who just tends to his job of presiding over the Senate, except in the case of an impeachment trial, when he would be replaced by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court. In any event, a political party wannabe candidate for vice-President will never defeat a political party vice-Presidential candidate because of the twelfth amendment to the Constitution. An independent vice-Presidential candidate running separate from all independent Presidential candidates could defeat a party vice-Presidential candidate, but there is no record I have seen of any independent voters running for vice-President outside of the party wannabe running mate method. You third party people have not fully considered what it means to be independent. Why would anyone want to be a party wannabe. As an actual independent voter, I can register as a candidate for President with the Federal Election Commission the same way George Washington did, without a vice-President running mate. Party wannabes have not yet seen what an advantage this gives the independent voter who is registered as a candidate for President.

This splits the political party vote. Who will be vice-President if an independent voter is elected President?
Well, obviously, the party vice-Presidential candidate who gets the most votes will become vice-President of the United States, since the independent voter elected President has no running mate. The duties of the vice-President are to preside over the Senate. John Nance Garner said that this job was not worth a bucket of warm spit. It should go to a political party candidate. So we will have an independent voter as President and a party politician in the vice-Presidency, even though that party’s Presidential candidate lost the election.
Match that, political party wannabes.
Actually, the Republican-Democrat Party started this anomaly by running two candidates for President in the election of 1800. Now that makes more sense. Abraham Lincoln was elected because the opposing party ran more than one candidate. Two Democrat candidates in 1860 seemed to have a good effect, until it resulted in party primaries and all the political party wannabes of today.
A real independent runs without a running mate. This running mate thing has always seemed a little suspect to me. I would rather have a Political party vice-President who just tends to his job of presiding over the Senate, except in the case of an impeachment trial, when he would be replaced by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
In any event, a political party wannabe candidate for vice-President will never defeat a political party vice-Presidential candidate because of the twelfth amendment to the Constitution. An independent vice-Presidential candidate running separate from all independent Presidential candidates could defeat a party vice-Presidential candidate, but there is no record I have seen of any independent voters running for vice-President outside of the party wannabe running mate method.

]]> by: Sean Scallon http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412134 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 01:31:09 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412134 The REAL nightmare scenario for Eric Rittberg is winding up in a Mexican prison and not knowing how he got there. As for RP's non-major party possibilities (please everyone stop using "Third"), 4% in Iowa or New Hampshire does not translate to me a real desire out there for an independent bid RP. Obviously he'll have to do better than that to have any credibility to mount such a campaign in the first place. And I doubt he'll come hat in hand to the LP or CP conventions demanding their nominations. Let's see how things play out, okay? he's got a shot to finish in the top three in Iowa (and if don't believe me please check out the blog Iowa Independent at www.iowaindependent.com and check out their GOP Caucus Power Rankings. In third is, you guessed it, Ron Paul) and if that happens then anything can happen. Mr. Miles I was going to respond to your previous post about why I don't believe in a libertarian-progressive alliance? Because Dennis Kucinich, the "libertarian Democrat" is polling at 1% in Iowa. You can't have a socialist-command economy along with cultural Marxism and have freedom for creativity and entrepenureship at the same time. It doesn't work that way. Other than ACLU, how many other leftist groups are really that concerned about civil liberties, especially groups they don't like? If said "Power to the People" to a liberal today they would say "grow up!" The REAL nightmare scenario for Eric Rittberg is winding up in a Mexican prison and not knowing how he got there.

As for RP’s non-major party possibilities (please everyone stop using “Third”), 4% in Iowa or New Hampshire does not translate to me a real desire out there for an independent bid RP. Obviously he’ll have to do better than that to have any credibility to mount such a campaign in the first place. And I doubt he’ll come hat in hand to the LP or CP conventions demanding their nominations.

Let’s see how things play out, okay? he’s got a shot to finish in the top three in Iowa (and if don’t believe me please check out the blog Iowa Independent at www.iowaindependent.com and check out their GOP Caucus Power Rankings. In third is, you guessed it, Ron Paul) and if that happens then anything can happen.

Mr. Miles I was going to respond to your previous post about why I don’t believe in a libertarian-progressive alliance? Because Dennis Kucinich, the “libertarian Democrat” is polling at 1% in Iowa. You can’t have a socialist-command economy along with cultural Marxism and have freedom for creativity and entrepenureship at the same time. It doesn’t work that way. Other than ACLU, how many other leftist groups are really that concerned about civil liberties, especially groups they don’t like? If said “Power to the People” to a liberal today they would say “grow up!”

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412092 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:54:44 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412092 Looks like no nightmare scenario for Dondero. If you all haven't heard yet, Mike Huckabee just hours ago, had a huge campaign blunder. They're comparing it to a Howard Dean moment. I won't spoil it for you all. YouTube it, and see for yourself. Looks like no nightmare scenario for Dondero.

If you all haven’t heard yet, Mike Huckabee just hours ago, had a huge campaign blunder. They’re comparing it to a Howard Dean moment.

I won’t spoil it for you all. YouTube it, and see for yourself.

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412071 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:30:27 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412071 To the skeptics, if Ron Paul is not going 3rd party, then why would he not tell Tim Russert, and also the Baltimore Sun in that interview, "No, under no circumstances will I run 3rd party for President." It's a very simple thing to do. What would he gain by not making such a statement? To the skeptics, if Ron Paul is not going 3rd party, then why would he not tell Tim Russert, and also the Baltimore Sun in that interview, “No, under no circumstances will I run 3rd party for President.”

It’s a very simple thing to do.

What would he gain by not making such a statement?

]]> by: Eric Dondero http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412069 Tue, 01 Jan 2008 00:26:01 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-412069 Andy, you are so, so right. That is absolutely my nightmare scenario: Barack HUSSEIN Obama - Democrat Nominee Mike Huckabee - Republican Nominee Ron Paul - Libertarian Party Nominee It's like the opposite of "fiscally conservative/socially tolerant" You'd have the Radical Muslim Socialist Obama, the Anti-Choice/Fiscal Liberal Huckabee, and the Islamo-Fascist coddling Ron Paul. Urgh! Makes me want to throw up just thinking of that possibility. Here's my dream scenario: Democrat - Anybody but Obama Republican - Rudy Giuliani Libertarian - Wayne Root Also a good scenario to me would be: Democrat - ABO Republican - Mitt Romney Libertarian - Wayne Root BTW, I'm fine with Ron Paul running on the Constitution Party ticket. That's where he belongs. I just don't want the "libertarian" word associated with him. He's a Leftist Populist. He hardly has any libertarian beliefs left. Andy, you are so, so right. That is absolutely my nightmare scenario:

Barack HUSSEIN Obama – Democrat Nominee

Mike Huckabee – Republican Nominee

Ron Paul – Libertarian Party Nominee

It’s like the opposite of “fiscally conservative/socially tolerant” You’d have the Radical Muslim Socialist Obama, the Anti-Choice/Fiscal Liberal Huckabee, and the Islamo-Fascist coddling Ron Paul. Urgh! Makes me want to throw up just thinking of that possibility.

Here’s my dream scenario:

Democrat – Anybody but Obama

Republican – Rudy Giuliani

Libertarian – Wayne Root

Also a good scenario to me would be:

Democrat – ABO

Republican – Mitt Romney

Libertarian – Wayne Root

BTW, I’m fine with Ron Paul running on the Constitution Party ticket. That’s where he belongs. I just don’t want the “libertarian” word associated with him. He’s a Leftist Populist. He hardly has any libertarian beliefs left.

]]> by: Gene Berkman http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-411998 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 23:14:51 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-411998 Having a single delegate or a few delegates will not get Ron Paul any speaking time at the Republican National Convention. I believe the rules require delegates from 5 states in order to have a nominating speech. If a candidate going into the convention has the nomination locked up, the convention officials will require Ron Paul to endorse that candidate before he will be given any time to speak to the convention. Having a single delegate or a few delegates will not get Ron Paul any speaking time at the Republican National Convention. I believe the rules require delegates from 5 states in order to have a nominating speech.

If a candidate going into the convention has the nomination locked up, the convention officials will require Ron Paul to endorse that candidate before he will be given any time to speak to the convention.

]]> by: Andy http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-411864 Mon, 31 Dec 2007 21:20:47 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2007/12/30/ron-paul-and-third-parties-again/#comment-411864 Here's a question for Eric Dondero. Just out of curiousity, what would be your nightmare scenario of candidates for President in November 2008? Such as, what if Mike Huckabee were the Republican nominee, Barrack Obama were the nominee for the Democrats, and Ron Paul ended up being the candidate for the Libertarian Party? Would you consider this to be the worst possible scenario for this election, or is there some other line up of candidates that you'd consider to be worse than this? Here’s a question for Eric Dondero.

Just out of curiousity, what would be your nightmare scenario of candidates for President in November 2008?

Such as, what if Mike Huckabee were the Republican nominee, Barrack Obama were the nominee for the Democrats, and Ron Paul ended up being the candidate for the Libertarian Party? Would you consider this to be the worst possible scenario for this election, or is there some other line up of candidates that you’d consider to be worse than this?

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