The tone of your post was that since that article came from www.prisonplanet.com that it must not be credible. Since you had no evidence to back this up I’d say that you must be the one who lacks credibility, not www.prisonplanet.com.

“To spell it out to the slow learners:

Prison Planet is a 9-11 truther site. Most Americans reject the 9-11 truth movement. By using a truther site to disseminate information, many Americans will simply write off the information as ‘crazy’ or ‘unreliable’. additionally, you continue linking Ron Paul to the truther movement.”

Most Americans are ignorant. This is the biggest reason why we are in the mess that we are in now. The people who believe the official government fairy tale about 9/11 and are offended by anyone who questions that story are not ever likely to support somebody like Dr. Paul anyway. If we were in the 1700’s these would be the people who’d be Tories/Loyalist (to the British Monarchy). These people have no interest in the “animating contest for liberty” as they prefer the “tranquility of servitude” as they “bow down and lick the hands of the master,” (phrases borrowed from Samuel Adams) so I say the heck with them!

January 14th, 2008 at 11:31 pm
I have absolute proof to all of you haters that Ron Paul is a racist:

http://www.dynw.com/ronpaulisracist/”

LOL! That site is hilarious! The only bad thing is that some people are so stupid that they would not think that it is a joke.

I am glad you chimed in. Since you were once part of Ron Paul’s inner circle I have some questions I hope you can answer. This scandal has broken wide open and since it is being covered by The Economist magazine which is published all over the world this story is no longer just a US political story but a world wide political story. In Tuesday’s Michigan primary it looks as if Ron Paul will finish last. Because of these events what do you think Ron Paul will do? Not what you think he should do but what will he do? What are his advisors advising him to do? Do you think he will seek the nomination for President of the Libertarian Party?

I believed his plan all along was to seek the nomination for President of the Libertarian Party or Constitution Party. Now I do not think he will. Because of this scandal if Ron Paul does decide to seek the nomination of the Libertarian Party his opponents (Root, Phillies, Kuby, etc.) would be foolish not to use this scandal against him.

What do you think?

http://www.dynw.com/ronpaulisracist/

I do not know about this pro-war mailer you are writing about, but I would liek to see more about it, in order to see if it is really as you say…

Paul has flipp-flopped so many times in the last few years it’s unreal.

Why should anyone be surprised, as Tom Knapp points out, that in 1996 he took responsibility for the contents of the Newsletters, but now says he had very little if anything to do with them?

And Ron Paul was a Huge Supporter of Term Limits in the 1980s, and 90s. Now, he’s heading into his 5th term. What happen to self-limits?

Wrong.

Lew Rockwell did take responsiblity for the comments in the newsletters back in 1996. I was there. I remember it like it was yesterday.

In fact, Ron banned Lew from having anything to do with the campaign til the election was over. It was almost like he was excommunicated immediately after the “flat footed” comment hit the media.

Ron wasn’t pissed off at him so much for making the comments, just for his stupidity in publishing something that would come back to haunt him in the middle of a Congressional race.

I have never seen a hint of racism in anything that I’ve read written by either Murray Rothbard or Lew Rockwell, or in the things I’ve heard either of these men say.

There is an article in one of the Ron Paul newsletters about anti-government groups which was written the year before Dr. Rothbard died and which sounds Rothbardian in tone and style, but this piece was rather harmless.

There certainly are instances of racism and heterosexism that were published in the newsletters, and although I do not for a second believe that Dr. Paul condones these things, I must admit that I am disappointed in him for not being a diligent editor.

Those who wrote the racist and heterosexist comments should, in my opinion, step forward and out themselves. Secondly, they should explain what they meant by the comments they wrote, explain why they wrote them, and explain whether or not they still agree with what they wrote. I’m a forgiving guy—if a person who was once racist sees the light and rejects his/her racism, that person deserves to be praised for bettering him-/herself. But if the person or persons do not step forward, then they either still hold racist/heterosexist tendencies or are cowards.

In any event, racism and heterosexism are quite contrary to libertarian or individualist doctrine, which holds that each person should be individually judged by the content of his/her character rather than by his or her appearance.

One of the reasons I joined the libertarian movement—one of the things that attracted me to it to begin with—was my unrelenting anti-racism. Indeed, opposition to the collectivism that racism requires ought to be considered one of the litmus tests for whether or not a person is a libertarian. If I thought, for even a second, that bigotry were compatible with this movement, reason would compel me to leave it.

I present a detailed analysis of The New Republic’s “selections” from the newsletters here.

Sincerely,
Alex Peak

In fact, the percentage of Americans who identified as 9/11 truthers is higher than the percentage of voters who have voted for Ron Paul in the primaries so far, so we can’t publish anything from the Ron Paul campaign by that standard either.

In the last Congressional election, most Americans voted against the Republicans. So no more quoting Fox News.

In the last presidential election, Bush (allegedly) won the most votes. No more quoting CNN or the NY Times.

I think this selective tyranny of the majority thinking is off base.

“Prison Planet is not a news source I would be touting”.

Touting is essentially “advertisng”. Where you come up with your allegation that I have dismissed the interview is beyond me. Did I state that I doubted the interview? Clearly, I didn’t. There is no evidence to present because none is needed.

To spell it out to the slow learners:

Prison Planet is a 9-11 truther site. Most Americans reject the 9-11 truth movement. By using a truther site to disseminate information, many Americans will simply write off the information as “crazy” or “unreliable”. additionally, you continue linking Ron Paul to the truther movement.

Politics is about perceptions.

I haven’t heard one person who knows Ron Paul personally say that he is racist – although I have heard several say he is not.

Eric has posted allegations that Ron Paul is homophobic and perhaps a little anti-semitic, but no one else has backed up that opinion, many have contradicted it, and Eric has an axe to grind.

More importantly, Ron Paul strongly condemns racism and anti-semitism NOW.

I think his positions on immigration and gay rights could be better.

I think it is valid to question the lack of oversight on the newsletters.

It’s not the most pressing issue facing America right now, by far, but we ARE still dealing with the effects of institutional racism over the centuries throughout our culture. How we deal with them, including our own culpability to the extent it exists, IS important.

Gene,

I agree with Andy that 9/11 should be investigated. I’d like to have a debate about 9/11 on the Kubby show. Say, Andy versus a “19 Arabs with boxcutters directed by a dude in a cave” Conspiracy Theorist. Anyone want to do it?

I personally consider PrisonPlanet much more credible than Stormfront, but your mileage may vary.

Anyway, if anyone has evidence that Linder is not the president of the Austin NAACP or did not say what he said to Prison Planet, I would be willing to look at it.

But the more I read of people trying to defend Ron Paul, and demonstrating their own lunacy in the process, the happier I become to have escaped from the nut farm…

“January 14th, 2008 at 1:05 pm
Andy & paulie:

Like I said, Prison Planet is not a new source I would be touting.”

Yet you still haven’t provided any facts as to why, as illustrated by the fact that you dismissed the interview with Mr. Linder from the Austin branch of the NAACP without proving that the interview did not take place or that Mr. Linder is not a real person.

“Reason? Because that site is too closely affilited with 9-11 truthers and conspiracy theories. Of course, having a misleading headline doesn’t help much either.”

What is wrong with investigating 9/11? There are many holes in the official government conspiracy theory about 9/11, such as how did the 47 story steel structure WTC building 7 collapse into its own footprints when it was not even hit by a plane and was on the far side of the WTC complex from the Twin Towers?

“Let’s assume Stormfront has reliable news posted on it’s site. Would you post a link from that site?”

What does Stormfront have to do with Prisonplanet? Also, people should feel free to post whatever links they want.

Like I said, Prison Planet is not a new source I would be touting.

Reason? Because that site is too closely affilited with 9-11 truthers and conspiracy theories. Of course, having a misleading headline doesn’t help much either.

Let’s assume Stormfront has reliable news posted on it’s site. Would you post a link from that site?