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	<title>Comments on: Green Party Debate 2008 and the Nader Factor</title>
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		<title>by: Binod Khadka</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-565456</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Apr 2008 08:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I am attend your programee? Please send me offical invation letter?</description>
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		<title>by: Arif</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-435345</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2008 00:47:55 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-435345</guid>
					<description>I am constantly amazed at the cognitive dissonance that people suffer when it comes to this topic. It is incomprehensible to think that Mr. Nader is somehow to blame for the election of George Bush. The blame rests solely on the &quot;citizens&quot;. 

Do we really have such a short memory? The last time I checked, it is Ralph Nader who has spent his life serving this country and trying to get people to realize that they have a responsibility to participate in this democracy not the democratic or the republican candidates running for office. No, they just want you to be lazy and dull thinkers and vote for them based on their rhetoric and not their service.

Instead of engaging in a fruitless blame game why don't we demand civic responsibility and get try to improve the abysmal voter participation numbers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I am constantly amazed at the cognitive dissonance that people suffer when it comes to this topic. It is incomprehensible to think that Mr. Nader is somehow to blame for the election of George Bush. The blame rests solely on the &#8220;citizens&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Do we really have such a short memory? The last time I checked, it is Ralph Nader who has spent his life serving this country and trying to get people to realize that they have a responsibility to participate in this democracy not the democratic or the republican candidates running for office. No, they just want you to be lazy and dull thinkers and vote for them based on their rhetoric and not their service.</p>
	<p>Instead of engaging in a fruitless blame game why don&#8217;t we demand civic responsibility and get try to improve the abysmal voter participation numbers?</p>
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		<title>by: Richard</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-433796</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 06:01:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-433796</guid>
					<description>By way of full disclosure, I must confess that I am a proud Conservative (in every sense of the word; and yes that includes natural conservation). 
Having said that, permit me to first make a flattering observation: Contributors to Third Party Watch are refreshingly careful about their grammar and punctuation! I survey a plenitude of news sites and blogs with bias toward both R's and D's (and G's), but never before have I been so thoroughly impressed by the mean linguistic intelligence as here. Maybe you Greenies are smarter than the rest of us ... 

But the real reason I came is to ask if anyone knows where I may acquire a full transcript of the recent GP debate. One of the men on the stand offered an incredibly foolish assessment of the current immigration issue. Since I heard it on NPR, I'm lacking a hard copy. If anyone knows where I  can find it, please email me: richard@blogusablog.com.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>By way of full disclosure, I must confess that I am a proud Conservative (in every sense of the word; and yes that includes natural conservation).<br />
Having said that, permit me to first make a flattering observation: Contributors to Third Party Watch are refreshingly careful about their grammar and punctuation! I survey a plenitude of news sites and blogs with bias toward both R&#8217;s and D&#8217;s (and G&#8217;s), but never before have I been so thoroughly impressed by the mean linguistic intelligence as here. Maybe you Greenies are smarter than the rest of us &#8230;</p>
	<p>But the real reason I came is to ask if anyone knows where I may acquire a full transcript of the recent GP debate. One of the men on the stand offered an incredibly foolish assessment of the current immigration issue. Since I heard it on <span class="caps">NPR</span>, I&#8217;m lacking a hard copy. If anyone knows where I  can find it, please email me: <a href="mailto:richard@blogusablog.com.">richard@blogusablog.com.</a></p>
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		<title>by: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-433683</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2008 03:21:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-433683</guid>
					<description>Steve, I see you are still suffering from &quot;Ron Paul Rapture syndrome&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Steve, I see you are still suffering from &#8220;Ron Paul Rapture syndrome&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>by: Jackcjackson</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432462</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 07:59:01 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432462</guid>
					<description>Nader might be a spoiler but the only thing Ron Paul can spoil is the party that he represents.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Nader might be a spoiler but the only thing Ron Paul can spoil is the party that he represents.</p>
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		<title>by: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432389</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:55:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432389</guid>
					<description>I'm grateful for a lot of work Nader has done with respect to ballot access and debates.  I've met him several times before and personally like him, too.  Matter of fact, the last time I saw him was in a supportive role at a press conference with Bev Harris following the 2004 elections while we were starting the Ohio recount.

However, if I was a Green, I'd probably support McKinney.  You've done the Nader thing before, might as well try something that's new and promising.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I&#8217;m grateful for a lot of work Nader has done with respect to ballot access and debates.  I&#8217;ve met him several times before and personally like him, too.  Matter of fact, the last time I saw him was in a supportive role at a press conference with Bev Harris following the 2004 elections while we were starting the Ohio recount.</p>
	<p>However, if I was a Green, I&#8217;d probably support McKinney.  You&#8217;ve done the Nader thing before, might as well try something that&#8217;s new and promising.</p>
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		<title>by: Stephen Gordon</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432381</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 06:47:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432381</guid>
					<description>This exchange was funny as hell:


Paulie, did you fail arithmetic?

No, but you failed the DSM-IV</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>This exchange was funny as hell:</p>
	<p>Paulie, did you fail arithmetic?</p>
	<p>No, but you failed the <span class="caps">DSM</span>-IV</p>
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		<title>by: Ronald Kane Hardy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432255</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 04:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432255</guid>
					<description>Ralph Nader's work nationally right now in the judicial system fighting for ballot access for third parties and independents is HUGE for every Third Party. Democratic Party lawsuits against Nader just give him more opportunities to shine the light on the two party stranglehold on American Elections. 

Nader is a relentless fighter on the legal front. Don't forget that before his presidential campaigns this man was a tireless legal fighter for consumer protection, occupational safety, clean water acts, clean air, and so many other battles that he fought and won for the American people. The legal system and the federal government bureaucracy were the two areas that Nader excelled at fighting in. 

So all third party folks should be very grateful for the work that Nader is doing now not for himself but for ballot access, fair and equal election laws, and to break the two party hold on American politics. 

That said, I am very happy that Cynthia McKinney is running as a Green for President, and if she gets the nomination she will be an experienced and charismatic champion for the poor and underprivileged, staunchly opposed to the war, and would bring to the campaign a congressional record that she can be proud of.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ralph Nader&#8217;s work nationally right now in the judicial system fighting for ballot access for third parties and independents is <span class="caps">HUGE</span> for every Third Party. Democratic Party lawsuits against Nader just give him more opportunities to shine the light on the two party stranglehold on American Elections.</p>
	<p>Nader is a relentless fighter on the legal front. Don&#8217;t forget that before his presidential campaigns this man was a tireless legal fighter for consumer protection, occupational safety, clean water acts, clean air, and so many other battles that he fought and won for the American people. The legal system and the federal government bureaucracy were the two areas that Nader excelled at fighting in.</p>
	<p>So all third party folks should be very grateful for the work that Nader is doing now not for himself but for ballot access, fair and equal election laws, and to break the two party hold on American politics.</p>
	<p>That said, I am very happy that Cynthia McKinney is running as a Green for President, and if she gets the nomination she will be an experienced and charismatic champion for the poor and underprivileged, staunchly opposed to the war, and would bring to the campaign a congressional record that she can be proud of.</p>
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		<title>by: paulie</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432238</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 03:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432238</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;The Greens could do no better than Ralph Nader.
&lt;/i&gt;

McKinney seems like a good choice this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>The Greens could do no better than Ralph Nader.<br />
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	<p>McKinney seems like a good choice this year.</p>
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		<title>by: Steven R Linnabary</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432190</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:59:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432190</guid>
					<description>Blaming free elections for Gore's loss in 2000 is absurd.

If the KKKlinton regime hadn't sent jack-booted thugs to capture an illegal immigrant (Elian Gonzalez), the Cuban immigrant community might well have made up those 600 votes.

Heck, if the democrats had nominated a credible candidate, rather than one to claim to have invented the internet, the algorythem, and global warming, the election could well have been very different.

Let's put the blame for Gore's loss where it belongs, not on free elections.

PEACE
Steve</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Blaming free elections for Gore&#8217;s loss in 2000 is absurd.</p>
	<p>If the KKKlinton regime hadn&#8217;t sent jack-booted thugs to capture an illegal immigrant (Elian Gonzalez), the Cuban immigrant community might well have made up those 600 votes.</p>
	<p>Heck, if the democrats had nominated a credible candidate, rather than one to claim to have invented the internet, the algorythem, and global warming, the election could well have been very different.</p>
	<p>Let&#8217;s put the blame for Gore&#8217;s loss where it belongs, not on free elections.</p>
	<p><span class="caps">PEACE</span><br />
Steve</p>
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		<title>by: stephen conn</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432165</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 01:03:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432165</guid>
					<description>In 2004, the Democrats worked hard to keep Nader-the sole anti-war candidate -off of the ballot-by tying up his campaign with law suits to deny anti-war voters a chance to take a stand. That was a violation of your civil rights as well as his. The Greens could do no better than Ralph Nader.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>In 2004, the Democrats worked hard to keep Nader-the sole anti-war candidate <del>off of the ballot</del>by tying up his campaign with law suits to deny anti-war voters a chance to take a stand. That was a violation of your civil rights as well as his. The Greens could do no better than Ralph Nader.</p>
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		<title>by: Deran</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432131</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432131</guid>
					<description>Harvey and Milne are hacks. 

The Democrats nominate crappy candidates, those crappy candidates lose, period. Look at '04.

2000: The Democrats spew hate at mr. nader, but Mr. Nader only cast one vote. It was people wanting something better that vote him that the Democrats hate. They don't want anyone to want anything better, they just want you to be grateful for whatever they give Leftists. And the truly outrageous thing abt the whiny Democrats is that in fact Pat Buchanan's '00 scam candaicy drew only a 100k or so votes, but in three states, the few people that voted for Buchanan cost Bush a win in that state. 

Anyone who suggests wanting something better defacto leads to something worse, is a hack or a flack.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Harvey and Milne are hacks.</p>
	<p>The Democrats nominate crappy candidates, those crappy candidates lose, period. Look at &#8216;04.</p>
	<p>2000: The Democrats spew hate at mr. nader, but Mr. Nader only cast one vote. It was people wanting something better that vote him that the Democrats hate. They don&#8217;t want anyone to want anything better, they just want you to be grateful for whatever they give Leftists. And the truly outrageous thing abt the whiny Democrats is that in fact Pat Buchanan&#8217;s &#8216;00 scam candaicy drew only a 100k or so votes, but in three states, the few people that voted for Buchanan cost Bush a win in that state.</p>
	<p>Anyone who suggests wanting something better defacto leads to something worse, is a hack or a flack.</p>
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		<title>by: paulie</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432107</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2008 00:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432107</guid>
					<description>&lt;i&gt;Paulie, did you fail arithmetic? &lt;/i&gt;

No, but you failed the DSM-IV

&lt;i&gt;Pelosi doesn’t have enough votes to be effective against the warmongering republicans. &lt;/i&gt;

The Democrats have a majority. All spending originates in the House. Pelosi is speaker. If they want to end funding for the war, they can. They haven't. 

They could also investigate torture and other adminstration abuses of power. Pelosi knew about torture before it became public. She and the Democratic majority in the House have done nothing. 

They have the power to initiate impeachment. Pelosi took it off the table. 

Hillary Clinton voted for the war, for the patriot act, for more war funding, and has talked about going to war with Iran and refused to rule out a nuclear first strike. 

There's nothing to spoil. 

&lt;i&gt;Add the lib &amp;#38; green vote instead of subtracting.&lt;/i&gt;

And you would have less votes than the Democrats or Republicans. You can do this for any of the elections since the Greens have been running Presidential candidates. By your definition (not mine) that would be a spoiler. 

Besides, the Greens and Libertarians disagree on many important issues, and if they wanted to compromise away their principles they would not be in alternative parties. 

Now, I happen to see a way that Green and Libertarian ideas could be compatible, laid out by Roderick Long here: 

http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/

This view is not shared by most Greens or most Libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Paulie, did you fail arithmetic? </i></p>
	<p>No, but you failed the <span class="caps">DSM</span>-IV</p>
	<p><i>Pelosi doesn&#8217;t have enough votes to be effective against the warmongering republicans. </i></p>
	<p>The Democrats have a majority. All spending originates in the House. Pelosi is speaker. If they want to end funding for the war, they can. They haven&#8217;t.</p>
	<p>They could also investigate torture and other adminstration abuses of power. Pelosi knew about torture before it became public. She and the Democratic majority in the House have done nothing.</p>
	<p>They have the power to initiate impeachment. Pelosi took it off the table.</p>
	<p>Hillary Clinton voted for the war, for the patriot act, for more war funding, and has talked about going to war with Iran and refused to rule out a nuclear first strike.</p>
	<p>There&#8217;s nothing to spoil.</p>
	<p><i>Add the lib &#038; green vote instead of subtracting.</i></p>
	<p>And you would have less votes than the Democrats or Republicans. You can do this for any of the elections since the Greens have been running Presidential candidates. By your definition (not mine) that would be a spoiler.</p>
	<p>Besides, the Greens and Libertarians disagree on many important issues, and if they wanted to compromise away their principles they would not be in alternative parties.</p>
	<p>Now, I happen to see a way that Green and Libertarian ideas could be compatible, laid out by Roderick Long here:</p>
	<p><a href='http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/' rel='nofollow'>http://praxeology.net/blog/2006/11/24/greensleeves-was-all-my-joy/</a></p>
	<p>This view is not shared by most Greens or most Libertarians.</p>
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		<title>by: Sean Scallon</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432079</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:46:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Nader is becoming the Harold Stassen of the Green Party.</description>
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		<title>by: Robert Milnes</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432067</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jan 2008 23:32:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/01/14/green-party-debate-2008-and-the-nader-factor/#comment-432067</guid>
					<description>Paulie, did you fail arithmetic? Nader was spoiler. Paul will be spoiler. Pelosi doesn't have enough votes to be effective against the warmongering republicans. Add the lib &amp;#38; green vote instead of subtracting.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Paulie, did you fail arithmetic? Nader was spoiler. Paul will be spoiler. Pelosi doesn&#8217;t have enough votes to be effective against the warmongering republicans. Add the lib &#038; green vote instead of subtracting.</p>
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