The Potential Impact of a Ron Paul or Michael Bloomberg Independent or Third Party Campaign
Rasmussen Reports is looking at the impact of Michael Bloomberg and Ron Paul as potential third party or independent candidates in the 2008 elections.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that roughly 15% of voters would currently vote for one of these two candidates in general election match-ups.When the two candidates are mentioned as independent options in match-ups between Mitt Romney and the two Democratic frontrunners, Paul and Bloomberg attract roughly the same level of support. When John McCain is mentioned as the Republican candidate in a match-up with Barack Obama, Ron Paul earns 11% of the vote while Bloomberg attracts 5%.
At this time, the net impact of such third party efforts appears to benefit the Democrats.
In a head-to-head match-up between Romney and Obama, Obama currently leads by nine percentage points. When Bloomberg and Paul are added to the list of possible candidates, Obama’s lead grows to twelve points, 42% to 30%. Paul attracts 8% of the vote, Bloomberg 6%.
Hillary Clinton leads Romney by five in a head-to-head match-up, but her lead grows to fourteen points with Bloomberg and Paul in the mix—Clinton 46% Romney 32% Bloomberg 7% Paul 7%.
In a McCain-Obama poll, the Democrat leads by five. That grows to seven points with the third party options—Obama 40% McCain 33% Paul 11% Bloomberg 5%.
The pair of third party candidates attract from 13% to 17% of Republicans in each match-up. They earn only 5% to 10% of the Democratic vote.
Additionally, they polled to see whether respondents think Paul or Bloomberg will eventually throw their hats into the presidential race as independent or third party candidates:
Twenty-six percent (26%) of American voters believe New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg is at least somewhat likely to make a third-party or independent bid for the White House in 2008. That includes 5% who say he is Very Likely to do so.Twenty-nine percent (29%) say that Texas Congressman Ron Paul will run as an alternative to the two major parties. Eleven percent (11%) believe he is Very Likely to do so.
I suspect that Paul’s numbers might be higher in any scenario where Hillary Clinton is the nominee, as the anti-war vote will probably still be fairly significant still on election day. This is partially offset by any support Cynthia McKinney might generate from her Green Party bid. Should the Greens nominate someone other than McKinney or Ralph Nader, I’d expect to see a higher total for Paul.
With respect to Bloomberg, I’m a bit perplexed about where his support might come from, except for “change” voters. What’s known of his political positions, so far at least, doesn’t seem to separate him from the leading Republicans and Democrats enough to engender him so much support.
Additional factors to consider: Bloomberg has a lot of money and may be prepared to spend a large chunk of it, Paul has a considerable base of grassroots support and the proven ability to raise significant amounts of money, Paul has pre-exisiting third party ties and support, Bloomberg and Paul have very different positions on a lot of issues (i.e. Iraq War, Second Amendment) voters find very important.
H/T to Rolf.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:54 am
translation: supporting Paul or bloomberg are defacto votes for Hillary/Obama. Much like Perot was a vote for Bill
January 29th, 2008 at 12:12 pm
...or a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for the responsible government and the Constitution.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:22 pm
... or a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for Freedom and a vote for the others is a vote for slavery to big government.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:29 pm
I’m voting for him regardless. I’ll write him in and I could care less about who people thinks it affects. Until the Republican party starts acting like republicans again, I will not vote for them.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
It just confirms my thoughts that the only way Paul goes the non-major party rout is if Clinton and McCain are the major party nominees. That disgusting match-up almost begs Paul to run that way.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
a vote for Dr. Ron is the only vote for a conservative fiscally responsible turnaround in this country, period
January 29th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
... or a vote for Ron Paul is a vote for free minds and free markets, no national ID card, no IRS or income tax, no Patriot act, no NAFTA, CAFTA, & NAU, no illegal wars, no amnesty, no Dept. of Propaganda Education or Homeland Stupidity, and bankrupting entitlements.
... and yes to secure borders, sound money, best foreign pollicy, hope, freedom and prosperity.
Vote your conscience, not the alleged lesser of 2 evils—the MSM picked candidates are all evil and will both lead us down the path to Communism.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:36 pm
What’s most striking about these matchup numbers is that only about 20% of people in the country even know who Ron Paul is, let alone what he stands for, and yet he draws that much support. Once they find out more about him, those numbers will go up, as they have steadily for the last year. Republicans better wake up, assess their situation and start treating him with respect, or they are in big trouble come November.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
indeed if Ron Paul runs as third party and he gets as much attention as the Hillary and McCain.
He might actually beat both.
No one with good critical thinking can disagree with more than 20 % of what Ron Paul Says.
Some are too stubborn to even listen to him.You know the Brainwashed kind that reads 1 sentence out of a book and claim it sucks.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:51 pm
Part of the problem with this poll, is that it doesn’t include Cynthia McKinney, admittedly she is not out there campaigning hard. But I am pretty sure McKinney would be a definite factor.
January 29th, 2008 at 12:56 pm
JP, if beating the democrats is so big, then perhaps you should embrace the only true conservative. Why is it considered that we should be the ones who bend and vote for something we don’t believe in? Especially when the candidate we like does actually do what he says. See, that whole philosophy is a bunch of crap to get people to vote for someone they don’t want to.
The only wasted vote is the one you cast in favor of something you don’t agree with. I’d rather vote for what I agree with and not get it, than vote for what I don’t agree with and get it.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:02 pm
Polls will be polls. The fact is there is continued building support for the good Dr Paul. His message is simple, real and actually makes plain good sense. The Neocon big money guys and their media buddies along with the pollsters are going to have to have a new plan as we get closer to Nov 08 to stop Ron Pauls continued rise toward the White House. This will likely be a Bloomberg entry later in the race to split the votes away from Paul making it more likely that HillBill or Obama can win. No GOP candidates who war monger will have any chance. The Dems position on the economy is weak and may loose against Paul without a vote split by a Bloomberg like figure. With trillions of dollars of cash flow per year at stake to protect, things are just getting interesting. Ron Paul is in a position of power, the turtle might just win!
January 29th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
The Rasmussen Reports and this article are presenting a mute point about Ron Paul. He has flat out said he will not run as a third party/ alternative candidate and even if he wanted to, by the time that decision can be made by him, it’ll be too late. He has strongly emphasized that he is taking this republican run to the end.
Getting sick of people mentioning him as a third party candidate on news channels and blogs when he flat out denies that he will. I wish reports would do some research, is that too much to ask?
Oh, another great poll question:
“Additionally, they polled to see whether respondents
think Paul or Bloomberg will eventually throw their
hats into the presidential race as independent or third
party candidates:”
Paul also specifically said as long as the people give his campaign the support it needs financially and in other ways, he will not throw in the towel.
The question should poll/ask people if they think “the people” will stop supporting Paul (that’s the only way he’ll quit). I think we know the answer to that question.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:07 pm
BLOOMBERG? What the …. has he done for me lately? Another Neocon globalist who would take our gun rights? Ha! What a joke the MSM is persuasive but cant’ pull the wool over freedom loving Americans who assert their rights.
Bloomberg, what a joke.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
He has flat out said he will not run as a third party/ alternative candidate…
This statement isn’t totally accurate. He has said, time and time again, that he has “no intention” to run as a third party or independent candidate at this time. He has never absolutely ruled out the possibility. of which I’m aware.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pm
Sign the petition to draft Michael Bloomberg for president! www.draftbloomberg.com
January 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pm
Ok, I was slightly off, he said he would if he had billions of dollars:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dea9f1kixXI
January 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pm
Anyone hear this? Mark Larsen goes off on Mitt after he laughs at RP!:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=6lAFfLy05_Y
January 29th, 2008 at 1:28 pm
Watcher,
Again, in that clip (which we also covered at this site), he said: “...no plans, no intentions…”
It’s repeated and precisely phrased wording.
January 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
“presenting a mute point ”
Please! MOOT point.
sigh
January 29th, 2008 at 1:35 pm
Robert Milnes will still insist that Ron Paul is going to cost the dems. The horror!
January 29th, 2008 at 2:03 pm
This is what America has become:
Dont bother to support the candidate that actually represents your views, vote for the one the polling pundits tell you has the best chance of winning.
Sad. No one has principle anymore, and the media is in control.
Face it, no one has a shot at beating the Democrats anyway because the republicans have done such a miserable job that thats as far as the analysis from most of the general public will go “change” is the only platform needed (by the way thats the only one being offered).
I am voting for Ron Paul because a strong showing tells the rest of the Candidates and America that this message is an important one to consider. Maybe it will end up in someone elses platform? Its about the movement dumbass.
When history proves that Dr Paul is right about America, ill sleep better knowing I did my part to prevent it.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Bloomberg is a joke. Once the middle class see his agenda of Amnesty for Illegals, Free trade, Open door for Israeli lobbists, Ultra strict gun control, unregulated Mexican trucks on our highways, Globalist, pro-corporate garbage they will reject him and his big out of touch billionaire ego.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pm
you guys act like we are electing a Dictator if you think any of what he talks about ‘aboloshing’ is remotely possible.
in 1964, the GOP went for limited Govt. Idealism over pragmatism. And got crushed, the result was the “Great Society” of LBJ and programs not even Ronald Reagan could reverse.
giving the Dems the Whitehouse while they have the congress is insane.
I would also note that Paul is not a true libertarian. He is an “Individual Liberty” absolutist. he does not understand Liberty in totality, ignores realities of the world and the fact that National Security is a Civil Liberty. the whole, ‘you can’t scream fire in a crowded theater” analogy applies here.
he’s also a proven liar on his newsletters and your trying to ally yourself with an on paper racist, homophobe and Conspiratorial profiteer.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:26 pm
Uh jp,.....have you watched any debates? RP constantly references how we’d have greater security if we brought all troops home from the 100+ countries they are in.
January 29th, 2008 at 2:43 pm
“f you think any of what he talks about ‘aboloshing’ is remotely possible”
What issues specifically do you suggest that he cannot alter policy on? Your broad statement rails against a non-specific.
You think that he can’t abolish the IRS without Congress’ approval? That is correct. But as the chief law enforcement officer at the head of the Executive branch of the government, he alone controls what laws are enforced and how vigorously. He could simply gut the IRS (his prerogative to do so as the head of the executive branch) and strip it of the agents it would require to pursue enforcement.
There’s the big one that the ‘Paul couldn’t do any of this without working with Congress” crowd usually cites. Let’s have another specific example that Paul claims he can have effect on that you claim he couldn’t.
“National Security is a Civil Liberty”
And you would claim Paul un-libertarian? You seem to be from the school of thought that whatever you personally believe becomes ‘libertarian’ simply by virtue of your believing it.
Civil liberties are enjoyed by an individual. National security is a collective concept. It is a valid use of a government’s powers to pursue national security, but there is no claim under any construal of civil liberties.
Everything that a statist finds to be pragmatically pleasing somehow gets elevated to being a civil right, on par with freedom of speech, association and basic property rights. National security is definitively not a civil right.
You simply don’t like Paul – that is okay. Feel free to make a lesser of all evils selection with your vote. It is your prerogative. Save yourself the embarrassment of trying to argue that it is the ‘libertarian’ thing to do. You already look foolish enough.
(are you related to Dondero? That would explain a lot….)
January 29th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
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January 29th, 2008 at 3:02 pm
If Ron Paul isn’t the candidate, who care who wins? They’re all the same. More big government, more intrusion, less liberty that’s their refrain. The Iraq war is just another of America’s wars … war on Viet Nam, war on poverty, war on drugs, war on terrorism, war on Afghanistan blah, blah, blah. Why don’t we have a war on GOVERNMENT!
January 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pm
And in todays post over at Politics1.com he mentions Alan Keyes talking abt seeking the Constitution Party’s nomination. So, McKinney on the left, Keyes to the right, Bloomberg and Clinton (or Obama) centrists, Paul a libertarian conservative, and Romney or McCain representing the center right. I like that line up. I like choices!
January 29th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
I’m sick of voters that subscribe to the idea that voting for a particular candidate is actually a vote for some other candidate. If we continue to vote for who we think might win, then we’ll never know if the person that is elected is truly what America wants.
If voting for Ron Paul pulls votes away from other candidates, then so be it. Maybe they’ll start to adopt some of Ron Paul’s ideology (ie. the original republican platform). If that’s all we accomplish by voting for Ron Paul, great!
I’m voting for Ron Paul. Go Ron!
January 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pm
I will be writing in Ron Paul should he not receive the party’s nomination. My principles simply will not allow me to vote for any other republican as their current positions on the issues stand. I would rather vote for what I believe and not get it than vote for what I don’t believe and get it.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
I agree. I’d much rather add leverage to the Democrats with my vote for Paul than to let ANYONE else in the Republican party currently running for president enter the White House. I just can’t believe this election’s field. A mormon that flip-flops more than a fish out of water, a baptist minister that’s likely to raise income taxes (oops, I mean raise “fair taxes”), and another vet “war-monger” that has a major dis-connect with average people.
Thanks … but, NO thanks.
Paul or nothing.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Mr. Bloomberg’s support goes beyond New York. Jon Fisher, a 35-year-old technology entrepreneur in Tiburon, Calif., said Mr. Bloomberg’s background appeals to him. “Business experience, and specifically this kind of entrepreneurial business experience, is exactly the skill set we need in a president,” said Mr. Fisher, who sold his most recent venture, Bharosa, to technology giant Oracle Corp. last year.
Mr. Fisher, a Democrat, is inviting others who have sold companies to Oracle to a meeting in Tiburon at the end of the month. The goal, Mr. Fisher said, is to recruit people willing to dedicate time and effort to a Bloomberg campaign. (Mr. Bloomberg would presumably fund his campaign himself, making fund-raising unnecessary.)
January 29th, 2008 at 3:36 pm
Keyes in the CP? That’s as funny as any of JP’s ignorant rants! How would they pay him?
Seriously, while this does indicate about 15% support for Dr. Paul, it also serves to continually fuel the idea that Dr. Paul should drop out of the GOP and go third party, which most likely would remove him from any future TV exposure in the debates.
As for Fisher supporting Bloomberg, remember that Oracle is the firm behind the idea of the national databases that were deisred for the national ID card, Echeleon, and Lantern. Lawrence Ellison is not what could be described as a patriot. Make that association at your own risk.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pm
Yes you never know what would happen if Hillary and the Democrats were in power. They might have people who are so asleep at the switch that a terrorist group attacks one or more of our cities.They might get us into an illegal losing war or two that drains our military and our economy.They may be so clueless that they allow millions of people to invade the U.S.That would never happen if the Republicans were in charge would it?
January 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pm
“If ever time should come, when vain and aspiring men shall possess the highest seats in Government, our country will stand in need of its experienced patriots to prevent its ruin.” Samuel Adams
Vote Ron Paul! Vote for an experienced Patriot!
“When once a republic is corrupted, there is no possibility of remedying any of the growing evils but by removing the corruption and restoring its lost principles; every other correction is either useless or a new evil.” – Thomas Jefferson
Vote as citizens not as sheeple.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
The Main Stream Media is no better than State Run Media. There is no doubt that there is a behind the scenes handshake between government and media to exclude Paul. Ron Paul got 2nd in Nevada! Nevada has more delegates than South Carolina. Ron Paul is the most educated candidate and conveys the message of peace and liberty through the constitution and Hayekian economics. The fact is most Americans don’t care. Those that do, too bad. The main stream media will cater to the government and to sheeple all across the nation.
January 29th, 2008 at 3:50 pm
Fred C., well, I’m flexible & make some mistakes. It doesn’t matter what effect RP/RP has on which party dem or rep. If Billary & MCC AIN get the noms, bottom line is RP won’t win & a warmonger will. So all the anti-war Ronulans will have supported (& a LOT of $) a loser. INSTEAD of supporting a progressive alliance ticket which COULD theoretically WIN.
January 29th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
I’m glad to see you’re getting a better grasp of the playing field Robert, but you’re still pushing a hard sell on deaf ears. Let me ask you this: ignoring the convention dates, why should the Greens endorse the Libertarian candidate and not vice versa?
January 29th, 2008 at 4:16 pm
In the unlikely scenario that Ron Paul is the Republican nominee, how would he match up against Obama or Clinton? Would the “red-state” rank and file republicans, evangelicals and miscellaneous RINOs pull the lever for Paul or do they hate freedom so much that they would vote for a Democrat? I suspect that Paul might have a better chance than either McCain or Romney.
January 29th, 2008 at 5:48 pm
Fred C., actually there are several reasons in addition to the fortunate fact of lib convention before green convention. Libs have more ballot access. It’s more logical to go with the party with more & supplement with the other than the other way around. Another is the GP is doomed to not get much votes due to fear of revolution. Imagine the GP getting 40% of the vote. They’ll start thinking radical fast & never mind the LP’s reservations & voluntary participation stuff. Another, it is easier to convince a leftist to vote lib and/or progressive than reverse. Also, this is assuming the libs deliberately try to make the ticket as acceptable to the greens as possible. i.e. nominate a left libertarian instead of the usual right/radical/purist e.g. Ron Paul.
January 29th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
“Mr. Bloomberg’s support goes beyond New York. Jon Fisher, a 35-year-old technology entrepreneur in Tiburon, Calif., said Mr. Bloomberg’s background appeals to him. “Business experience, and specifically this kind of entrepreneurial business experience, is exactly the skill set we need in a president,” said Mr. Fisher, who sold his most recent venture, Bharosa, to technology giant Oracle Corp. last year.
Mr. Fisher, a Democrat, is inviting others who have sold companies to Oracle to a meeting in Tiburon at the end of the month. The goal, Mr. Fisher said, is to recruit people willing to dedicate time and effort to a Bloomberg campaign. (Mr. Bloomberg would presumably fund his campaign himself, making fund-raising unnecessary.)”
Good for Mr. Fisher for finding a candidate. However, good luck trying selling the globalist Bloomberg to the factory worker in Michigan or the farmer in Iowa.
January 29th, 2008 at 6:25 pm
Well, did you consider that many want to be radical fast and disapprove the the lib “reservations & voluntary participation stuff”? I can’t imagine them supporting anyone that isn’t all on board with their plans to expand government.
January 29th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
This makes NO sense at all. If 15% would vote for Ron Paul, why is he polling at 4%?
I don’t believe these polls numbers anyway.
Bloomberg is a liberal/CFR/global government shill and will be put there to manipulate the vote just like Perot was.
This is the reason why Ron Paul WILL NOT, repeat, WILL NOT run 3rd party!
So please stop talking about it will you?
January 29th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
To think any ‘libertarian’ would consider Bloomberg is mind boggling.. and which is why I don’t trust ‘libertarians’.
January 29th, 2008 at 8:00 pm
If BOTH ran as indies, it would split the Dem vote and assure a GOP win…but we don’t want Mittens or McInsane so how does that help us?
Ron Paul knows the wisdom of this which is why HE WON’T DO IT.
January 29th, 2008 at 8:06 pm
I don’t vote against people. I vote for people. How will the government know I exist if I vote for the lesser of two evils… that’s why the government stays evil. All we have to do is vote for someone good like Ron Paul and build momentum. Someday, people will run on being honest and have good policy.
January 29th, 2008 at 8:35 pm
“This makes NO sense at all. If 15% would vote for Ron Paul, why is he polling at 4%?”
Because Republican primary polls only look for Republican primary voters.
“So please stop talking about it will you?”
No.
“If BOTH ran as indies, it would split the Dem vote and assure a GOP win…but we don’t want Mittens or McInsane so how does that help us?”
We don’t want the dems either… so how does it hurt us?
January 29th, 2008 at 8:48 pm
Well said, Watcher – Great Post. That stupid website Donklephant is always mentioning that Paul will go third party too.
I want Paul to fight for the Republican nomination to the end too. If he goes 3rd party, he’s just giving the GOP a cop-out on why they lost to the Dems because they’ll blame Paul for their defeat.
January 29th, 2008 at 9:01 pm
McCain is winning Florida and now is the clear frontrunner with a possible brokered conveniont. This empowers Paul both in the nomination process battle and, more importantly, opens the door in the very big way for a third party challenge. Paul may find it impossible to resist…..thought I would hope he’d pass the baton to Johnson. Root needs to be stopped. The LP can’t run a hawk.
January 29th, 2008 at 10:03 pm
Sorry, 4 Delegates for Dr. Paul will not make him a “KingMaker” at the Republican Convention. If the former Mayor of New York does endorse McCain, the talking heads on T.V figure his supporters will go with McCain making it almost impossible for Romney to win. Also history is against a “brokered” Convention, we have to go back at least three decades for the last one. Even if Dr. Paul continues on, I’d be really surprised if the Republicans allowed him 5 minutes on stage at the Convention.
January 29th, 2008 at 11:10 pm
I’m with Bill Wood on this one. Even if there is a brokered convention, which seems pretty unlikely, RP won’t be in any position to take advantage of it. The antiwar candidate that’s been pestering them through the whole campaign isn’t going to get any support from the Romnettes or Huckocrats against McCain, and I can’t for the life of me imagine why they’re trying to push the issue except to keep momentum going in the primaries to better set up an LP run. I’m concerned it can box RP in – if by miracle he can take a state or two on Tuesday, or pull in enough second-places & district wins to get a sizable share of delegates, he’ll be stuck in a nomination contest he won’t take but can’t justify leaving.
January 30th, 2008 at 3:39 am
Fred C., I think leftists would be willing to vote LP executive ticket & Green or LP on all others in order to win. Then the LP having the 2 executive positions would have their respect & cooperation.
January 30th, 2008 at 11:27 am
Republican Party Delegate Count
McCain 97 46.6%
Romney 74 35.6
Huckabe 29 13.9
Paul 6 2.9
Giuliani 2 .9
Total 208
Source: CNN 1-30-2008
January 30th, 2008 at 11:33 am
“In the unlikely scenario that Ron Paul is the Republican nominee, how would he match up against Obama or Clinton?”
With only six delegates as of January 30, 2008 that will be a very, very, very, very, very, very, very unlikely scenario.
Also six delegates does not get you into the smoked filled rooms at the Republican Party convention. Ron Paul will be smoking outside . . . on the parking lot!
January 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm
I hope many people read this. Most people are good people and want the same basic things. The left wing and the right wing have different ideas about accomplishing things. It is far past time, and probably too late, for the American people to understand that there is no difference between the major parties. In a gradual process, the left works to destroy the country just as the right works to destroy the country. The American people are fooled into discussing how the pictures on the Titanic should be arranged. Politicians take advantage of this for their own selfish interests. Ron Paul is telling you that we have hit an iceberg.
Let’s suppose the iceberg wasn’t so bad. Let’s suppose how those pictures are arranged really are the most important things to discuss. The irony is, is that Ron Paul is the only candidate that truly supports, and has the record to prove it, almost all of the right’s issues. In addition, even though Dr. Paul often speaks of a futuristic and ideal world, Ron Paul is the only candidate whose policies can save the social programs that the left wants.
People have failed to understand that international bankers are consolidating the wealth (stealing out of everyone’s pocket books) and eliminating the middle class. People are too interested in reality television, football and golf. People are helping to destroy the country because of their reckless and uninformed, although good intentioned, opinions.
People like to laugh and snicker. I hope they enjoy their money losing its value, their taxes rising, their pension funds being taken, their television-induced comatose state, and fluoride lowering their IQ between 10 and 20 points. Their televisions won’t save them from what is coming. Whether it will be 10 months, or 10 years from now, things are going to get very bad. Worst of all, I am beginning to have doubts as to whether or not the American people will have enough sense to know who has done what to them.
Thanks so much you stupid idiots for playing your part in creating this mess. Thanks so much for watching television. Thanks for not understanding how things work. Thanks for not taking the time to read serious journals where the elite have OPENLY EXPLAINED that they were going to do this to you. Thanks so much for getting angry at my comments because you are still too stupid to wake up an make your ancestors proud. Remember that me, and others like me, HATE YOUR LACK OF ACTION right down to the bones for the part you have played in all of this. The elite know what they are and what they believe. You people though are all together different; you are mostly idiots and my family will ALSO have to suffer because of your stupidity.
People like me will remember your stupidity when things get bad. Yet I, and others like me, will do our best to love you. In spite of your stupidity, most of us will still do our best to help you. I am truly sorry that I wasn’t able to do more to prevent what is coming and do more to help. Really, I am no better than most of you.
God help us all.
January 31st, 2008 at 3:27 pm
Tim, there is a lot of accuracy to what you type. I am a teacher and have taught civics, history and govt. I am also a conservative but hold to many of the things that Mr. Paul does. I believe that the people should truly run this country but that has not been happening for some time. Is it to late? Maybe. We have been dooped into believing that there is either one side or the other and not given any type of true alternative that works. People will vote as has been said, for the lesser of two evils. My father is a democrat and my mother is a republican and I have heard of their deviciveness for years. I believe it is time for someone else to step to the plate. It is true that there are many especially younger people who have no idea what we are facing. They are blinded by the materialism in this country and fail to see that soon-very soon, it may come to an end. It is time to look at alternatives and ask yourself if you are really voting your educated concious!
February 2nd, 2008 at 6:43 pm
The US economy will be in a real mess in January 09 and the world will still be a very dangerous place, Now we have to look at this bunch of jokers to be the next president. Is this the best we can do? Where are the really talented and educated candidates that we need? We have some real big big problems in our future and yet all the time complain and argue and bitch about issues that dont matter a hill of beans. Ron Paul has some good ideas, but he presents himself like a goofball. Bloomberg is just on an ego trip and we don’t even know what he thinks. Lets find somebody that can get us out of this mess.
February 6th, 2008 at 10:26 pm
A vote for any Republican or Democratic Party candidate is a vote for: