Comments on: Did Ron Paul Win the Calif LP Primary? http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:40:59 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: abs com tv game bingo http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-519583 Fri, 29 Feb 2008 01:52:02 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-519583 <strong>abs com tv game bingo</strong> reversion!Merritt crane.quiet:foregone abs com tv game bingo

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]]> by: Fascist Nation http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483874 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 17:06:08 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483874 While I suspect Paul was indeed the write-in candidate I am pleased Christine Smith has won. I am fairly confident Ron Paul WILL NOT do a third party/independent run as he has been there and done that and knows the system is specifically designed to prevent third parties/independents from rocking the boat. While it makes sense for the LP and the Constitution Party to combine and rally around Ron Paul based upon the support and money he has brought to their plates, and his consistent and reasonably compatible message of liberty we all have in common, he isn't going to play. [And Thomas tisk tisk, while you and I are I presume in agreement on open borders, a perfectly good Libertarian argument can be made from a limited government Libertarian standpoint on controlling the borders -- even though I consider limited government Libertarian to be an oxymoron. I can live with those limited government Libertarians far happier than the government I live with now.] I want to congratulate Christine Smith's supporters. She will make a fine libertarian and LP candidate, and I hope she wins your nomination. While I suspect Paul was indeed the write-in candidate I am pleased Christine Smith has won. I am fairly confident Ron Paul WILL NOT do a third party/independent run as he has been there and done that and knows the system is specifically designed to prevent third parties/independents from rocking the boat. While it makes sense for the LP and the Constitution Party to combine and rally around Ron Paul based upon the support and money he has brought to their plates, and his consistent and reasonably compatible message of liberty we all have in common, he isn’t going to play. [And Thomas tisk tisk, while you and I are I presume in agreement on open borders, a perfectly good Libertarian argument can be made from a limited government Libertarian standpoint on controlling the borders—even though I consider limited government Libertarian to be an oxymoron. I can live with those limited government Libertarians far happier than the government I live with now.]

I want to congratulate Christine Smith’s supporters. She will make a fine libertarian and LP candidate, and I hope she wins your nomination.

]]> by: Michael Seebeck http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483846 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 16:38:45 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483846 The only reason Dr. Paul was not on the LPC ballot was because the LPC Executive Committee ddin't qualify him for the ballot. Rememer that the ballot was advisory only and non-binding. I too wrote in Dr. Paul. The rest of the LP candidates are unimpressive. That includes you, Robert. The only reason Dr. Paul was not on the LPC ballot was because the LPC Executive Committee ddin’t qualify him for the ballot. Rememer that the ballot was advisory only and non-binding.

I too wrote in Dr. Paul. The rest of the LP candidates are unimpressive. That includes you, Robert.

]]> by: Sean Kamp http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483798 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 15:48:40 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483798 The immigration problem really hinges on the economic problems of the handouts illegal immigrants can get for being here. That has been Ron's focus. Hell, I oppose illegal immigration as long as the welfare state continues. The problem I've had with his campaign is their insistence on not running antiwar ads, as though the neocon wing of the GOP was going to change their mind on Ron Paul. I would have never registered Republican if not for him--and those are the biggest dots his staff failed to connect. If you don't like Ron, that's fine, but you should realize that he and he alone is bringing hundreds of thousands your way. The immigration problem really hinges on the economic problems of the handouts illegal immigrants can get for being here. That has been Ron’s focus. Hell, I oppose illegal immigration as long as the welfare state continues. The problem I’ve had with his campaign is their insistence on not running antiwar ads, as though the neocon wing of the GOP was going to change their mind on Ron Paul. I would have never registered Republican if not for him—and those are the biggest dots his staff failed to connect. If you don’t like Ron, that’s fine, but you should realize that he and he alone is bringing hundreds of thousands your way.

]]> by: Thomas L. Knapp http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483577 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 13:06:30 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483577 "you should know the party isn’t as important as the message of liberty." If that's true, then why did Paul constantly sacrifice the message of liberty -- especially on immigration -- in order to position himself as a credible Republican candidate? “you should know the party isn’t as important as the message of liberty.”

If that’s true, then why did Paul constantly sacrifice the message of liberty—especially on immigration—in order to position himself as a credible Republican candidate?

]]> by: Sean Kamp http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483216 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:34:28 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483216 Andy beat me to it. I've heard Ron is still also an LP member. Robert, why aren't you on the GOP ballot? Libertarians have to get elected into office, get on national tv to make a big, lasting difference. As for me, I would like to run for Congress in 2 or 4 years...but I don't fit into a very simple mold. I completely hate Dem economics/rhetoric. I also am not firm on my stance on abortion (though I side with the Constitution at any rate) and am an atheist. I don't know if I can even sit in the same room as some GOP folks without throwing punches. More power to Ron Paul and others who can. Andy beat me to it. I’ve heard Ron is still also an LP member. Robert, why aren’t you on the GOP ballot? Libertarians have to get elected into office, get on national tv to make a big, lasting difference. As for me, I would like to run for Congress in 2 or 4 years…but I don’t fit into a very simple mold. I completely hate Dem economics/rhetoric. I also am not firm on my stance on abortion (though I side with the Constitution at any rate) and am an atheist. I don’t know if I can even sit in the same room as some GOP folks without throwing punches. More power to Ron Paul and others who can.

]]> by: Andy http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483181 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 08:15:09 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483181 "Robert Milnes Says: February 7th, 2008 at 2:53 am Sean, why is Ron Paul on the gop ballot?" Because it is an effective strategy for getting publicity. If Ron had started this race as an LP candidate or a candidate for some other minor party or as an independent he wouldn't have gained anything close to the momentum that he has now. “Robert Milnes Says:

February 7th, 2008 at 2:53 am
Sean, why is Ron Paul on the gop ballot?”

Because it is an effective strategy for getting publicity. If Ron had started this race as an LP candidate or a candidate for some other minor party or as an independent he wouldn’t have gained anything close to the momentum that he has now.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483162 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 07:53:29 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483162 Sean, why is Ron Paul on the gop ballot? Sean, why is Ron Paul on the gop ballot?

]]> by: Sean Kamp http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483096 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 06:26:32 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483096 Robert sure is bitter. To say Ron Paul is not 'libertarian' is comical. I suppose if you narrow the definition down to mean 'Robert Milner only,' then sure, nobody else is libertarian. Ron Paul is the reason I would consider joining the Libertarian Party. This insistence on party loyalty reminds me of the two monopolistic parties' exclusionary herd mentality. How about we just get people who care about the Constitution elected? Robert sure is bitter. To say Ron Paul is not ‘libertarian’ is comical. I suppose if you narrow the definition down to mean ‘Robert Milner only,’ then sure, nobody else is libertarian. Ron Paul is the reason I would consider joining the Libertarian Party. This insistence on party loyalty reminds me of the two monopolistic parties’ exclusionary herd mentality. How about we just get people who care about the Constitution elected?

]]> by: Andy http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483038 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 05:18:33 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483038 I know for a fact that there were registered Libertarians in California who did a write in vote for Ron Paul. I know for a fact that there were registered Libertarians in California who did a write in vote for Ron Paul.

]]> by: Rolland http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483013 Thu, 07 Feb 2008 04:40:01 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-483013 Well I think there is a good possibility that Ron Paul will not win the GOP nomination. I am in complete agreement with Al, but would add my anger about the slime balls in MSM that pretend to be journalists. To anyone that has been paying attention, MSM has lost any shred of credibility they may have enjoyed. I look upon these talking heads with a loathing and disgust that words cannot adequately express. The traitors in MSM and their flock of millions of mindless sheep have once again sentenced this country to another election of the lessor of two evils. A game that I have long ago quit playing. If you support Ron Paul and his ideas, and you vote for one of the two idiots MSM has selected in the general election, you become part of the problem. If everyone that supports Ron Paul voted for the Libertarian candidate (whomever it might be) and garnered 10-20% of the popular vote, it would be a major blow. They would actually have to mention the Libertarian party when announcing results, which is something they absolutely hate to do (I've been a Libertarian since 1980 and this game by MSM is nothing new). Ron Paul, Christine Smith, Wayne Root, Steve Kubby, or any of the LP candidates are an infinitely better choice than McCain or Clinton. Fight back! Your candidate might not win, but make the MSM bastards at least take notice. Well I think there is a good possibility that Ron Paul will not win the GOP nomination. I am in complete agreement with Al, but would add my anger about the slime balls in MSM that pretend to be journalists. To anyone that has been paying attention, MSM has lost any shred of credibility they may have enjoyed. I look upon these talking heads with a loathing and disgust that words cannot adequately express.

The traitors in MSM and their flock of millions of mindless sheep have once again sentenced this country to another election of the lessor of two evils. A game that I have long ago quit playing. If you support Ron Paul and his ideas, and you vote for one of the two idiots MSM has selected in the general election, you become part of the problem.

If everyone that supports Ron Paul voted for the Libertarian candidate (whomever it might be) and garnered 10-20% of the popular vote, it would be a major blow. They would actually have to mention the Libertarian party when announcing results, which is something they absolutely hate to do (I’ve been a Libertarian since 1980 and this game by MSM is nothing new). Ron Paul, Christine Smith, Wayne Root, Steve Kubby, or any of the LP candidates are an infinitely better choice than McCain or Clinton.

Fight back! Your candidate might not win, but make the MSM bastards at least take notice.

]]> by: Eric Garris http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-482818 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 23:42:18 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-482818 I called up the LA County and Orange County registrars of voters to get the county info. The San Francisco and Alameda county numbers were posted on their websites: http://www.sfgov.org/site/elections_index.asp?id=70716 http://www.acgov.org/rov/current_election/426.htm I called up the LA County and Orange County registrars of voters to get the county info. The San Francisco and Alameda county numbers were posted on their websites:

http://www.sfgov.org/site/elections_index.asp?id=70716
http://www.acgov.org/rov/current_election/426.htm

]]> by: Thomas L. Knapp http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-482773 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:49:47 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-482773 Brian, If I recall correctly, Al Gore carried a number of counties in the 2000 California LP primary. I think y'all had some kind of different voting system then, though, where all the candidates of all parties were listed on all ballots or something. The "uncommitted" vote in Missouri doesn't represent Ron Paul, for the simple reason that any Libertarian who wanted to vote for Ron Paul was free to do so in the GOP primary. We don't have registration by party in Missouri. You can vote any primary ballot you want to (but only one). Brian,

If I recall correctly, Al Gore carried a number of counties in the 2000 California LP primary. I think y’all had some kind of different voting system then, though, where all the candidates of all parties were listed on all ballots or something.

The “uncommitted” vote in Missouri doesn’t represent Ron Paul, for the simple reason that any Libertarian who wanted to vote for Ron Paul was free to do so in the GOP primary. We don’t have registration by party in Missouri. You can vote any primary ballot you want to (but only one).

]]> by: Brian Holtz http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-482734 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 22:15:49 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-482734 Where is Eric getting his data on write-ins? I don't see it on the SoS web site, or on the San Francisco web site. Also, any data on write-ins needs to be normalized against 2004 to be meaningful. The 47% vote for uncommitted yesterday in Missouri might sound like a vote for Ron Paul, but uncommitted won about 38% in the 2004 LPMO primary. Where is Eric getting his data on write-ins? I don’t see it on the SoS web site, or on the San Francisco web site.

Also, any data on write-ins needs to be normalized against 2004 to be meaningful. The 47% vote for uncommitted yesterday in Missouri might sound like a vote for Ron Paul, but uncommitted won about 38% in the 2004 LPMO primary.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-482691 Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:38:03 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/06/did-ron-paul-win-the-calif-lp-primary/#comment-482691 Gene, just tell them all Ron Paul is not on the LP ballot because he is NOT a libertarian. He is a republican self described conservative. NEVER AGAIN vote republican. Gene, just tell them all Ron Paul is not on the LP ballot because he is NOT a libertarian. He is a republican self described conservative. NEVER AGAIN vote republican.

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