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	<title>Comments on: The CP on Ron Paul staying Republican</title>
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		<title>by: alpan</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-500990</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 17:41:59 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We cannot have liberty without a land to be free in. We cannot have a land to be free in if we sell it off from under our feet. You won't be free for long with a leftist, elititist media propagandizing the masses into collectivism and fomenting racial hate. So unfortunately by your philosophy it appears to me you've come full circle (it's called &quot;importing the revolution&quot; if you've ever read Karl Marx). Our liberty will be short-lived once we are out-voted by any culture that does not believe in American style liberty. It is a grandios assumption to believe those immigrants will all be libertarians; many more will bring with them the same statist philosophy they originally ran away from because they know of nothing else.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>We cannot have liberty without a land to be free in. We cannot have a land to be free in if we sell it off from under our feet. You won&#8217;t be free for long with a leftist, elititist media propagandizing the masses into collectivism and fomenting racial hate. So unfortunately by your philosophy it appears to me you&#8217;ve come full circle (it&#8217;s called &#8220;importing the revolution&#8221; if you&#8217;ve ever read Karl Marx). Our liberty will be short-lived once we are out-voted by any culture that does not believe in American style liberty. It is a grandios assumption to believe those immigrants will all be libertarians; many more will bring with them the same statist philosophy they originally ran away from because they know of nothing else.</p>
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		<title>by: George Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-500872</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Feb 2008 16:24:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Your focus on race/ethnicity is inherently collectivist, I'm afraid, alpan.

&amp;#62; I do feel that with liberty comes responsibility

liberty comes with birth and nothing else. Liberty is a natural condition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Your focus on race/ethnicity is inherently collectivist, I&#8217;m afraid, alpan.</p>
	<p>> I do feel that with liberty comes responsibility</p>
	<p>liberty comes with birth and nothing else. Liberty is a natural condition.</p>
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		<title>by: alpan</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-498941</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 19:18:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;The LP is about liberty, complete liberty, and not just liberty when it doesn’t cause you discomfort or inconvenience...&quot;

George,

I am not a collectivist of any stripe, but I do feel that with liberty comes responsibility - otherwise what you have is license. I think the United States was a good idea and whether we want to admit it or not, it was based on the ideology of Christian whites (our founding fathers); none of whom could ever be elected today. Our unique American experiment with liberty was an extension of that heritage and no other. 

When the European is gone or reduced to a politically insignificant minority, we will be a ship without a rudder and an anarchy of nations within a state. I don't look forward to that day. In the short-term we'll get authoritarian control and in the long term a civil war. I think we have more than enough cultural diversity and should keep intact a Euro-centric culture with a constitutional government - and yes, with a European majority.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The LP is about liberty, complete liberty, and not just liberty when it doesn&#8217;t cause you discomfort or inconvenience&#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>George,</p>
	<p>I am not a collectivist of any stripe, but I do feel that with liberty comes responsibility &#8211; otherwise what you have is license. I think the United States was a good idea and whether we want to admit it or not, it was based on the ideology of Christian whites (our founding fathers); none of whom could ever be elected today. Our unique American experiment with liberty was an extension of that heritage and no other.</p>
	<p>When the European is gone or reduced to a politically insignificant minority, we will be a ship without a rudder and an anarchy of nations within a state. I don&#8217;t look forward to that day. In the short-term we&#8217;ll get authoritarian control and in the long term a civil war. I think we have more than enough cultural diversity and should keep intact a Euro-centric culture with a constitutional government &#8211; and yes, with a European majority.</p>
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		<title>by: George Donnelly</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-498856</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 18:50:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&amp;#62; Protecting the rights of the unborn is important.

Only living persons have rights. Unborn == not alive (by definition).

Now i know abortion is a tough issue and that where life starts is a tricky question, however your use of the words 'unborn' and 'rights' together strikes me as an oxymoron.

alpan: The LP is about liberty, complete liberty, and not just liberty when it doesn't cause you discomfort or inconvenience. If you can't handle that then maybe you should be a Democrat or a Socialist so the nanny-state protectionist economy-managers can ensure you don't get your toes stepped on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>> Protecting the rights of the unborn is important.</p>
	<p>Only living persons have rights. Unborn == not alive (by definition).</p>
	<p>Now i know abortion is a tough issue and that where life starts is a tricky question, however your use of the words &#8216;unborn&#8217; and &#8216;rights&#8217; together strikes me as an oxymoron.</p>
	<p>alpan: The LP is about liberty, complete liberty, and not just liberty when it doesn&#8217;t cause you discomfort or inconvenience. If you can&#8217;t handle that then maybe you should be a Democrat or a Socialist so the nanny-state protectionist economy-managers can ensure you don&#8217;t get your toes stepped on.</p>
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		<title>by: alpan</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-498333</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 15:13:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ron Paul is getting my vote even if I have to write him in on election day. I am very suspicious of the Libertarian Party on two particular counts: Selling off our natural resources to pay the national debt and open borders. The movement sounds like a trojan horse to me. What's being done with open borders to Europeans (even in their indiginous homelands) would be called ethnic cleansing if done to any other group. What good are gun rights, and personal liberties once you become a demographic voting minority in your own country to be out-voted? 

Imagine if ten burglars broke into your home - would you deed them the house? I want someone who supports the United States as a sovereign nation; not someone who wants to make my vote spit in the ocean with no say over who may enter my country and wants to export our industrial base and our jobs overseas. The LP is shilling for the same neo-con hucksters who've given us the political sham and economic train wreck we have right now. That was why I stopped supporting the LP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ron Paul is getting my vote even if I have to write him in on election day. I am very suspicious of the Libertarian Party on two particular counts: Selling off our natural resources to pay the national debt and open borders. The movement sounds like a trojan horse to me. What&#8217;s being done with open borders to Europeans (even in their indiginous homelands) would be called ethnic cleansing if done to any other group. What good are gun rights, and personal liberties once you become a demographic voting minority in your own country to be out-voted?</p>
	<p>Imagine if ten burglars broke into your home &#8211; would you deed them the house? I want someone who supports the United States as a sovereign nation; not someone who wants to make my vote spit in the ocean with no say over who may enter my country and wants to export our industrial base and our jobs overseas. The LP is shilling for the same neo-con hucksters who&#8217;ve given us the political sham and economic train wreck we have right now. That was why I stopped supporting the LP.</p>
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		<title>by: John Crosley</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-498223</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 14:26:15 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>My issue with the LP is that their candidates are usually not pro-life.  I am for Life and Liberty.  Protecting the rights of the unborn is important.  I think this is the reason the LP hasn't become an immediate option for RP supporters to turn to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>My issue with the LP is that their candidates are usually not pro-life.  I am for Life and Liberty.  Protecting the rights of the unborn is important.  I think this is the reason the LP hasn&#8217;t become an immediate option for RP supporters to turn to.</p>
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		<title>by: Dan Morris</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-497467</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 06:36:29 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Dave, I am just trying to clear up a mis-conception.  I do happen to be a Christian, but I have recently joined the LP.  I can't vote for McCain, or for a Democrat.  I have been a Republican for years, but can't support their big gov't., big spending, Globalist(SPP) crap anymore.
  I am surprised that third parties, from what I am seeing, don't work together better for the chance to change the 2 party system.  For example, I would vote for Ron Paul as a third party candidate, whether it was the CP, or LP, etc.
  In November, I will vote for a thirdparty candidate, if my state(IA) has one on the ballot.  I will vote LP, if possible, but will then vote for CP, etc.  I hope that there are enough disgruntled Rep. and Dem. to do the same, and make a difference.
  I am also retired Navy, and I still think Ron Paul is the only candidate that can save our country from spending itself into oblivian. He is definitely our best hope to save our Constitution, and prevent it from being superceded by one from the NAU.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Dave, I am just trying to clear up a mis-conception.  I do happen to be a Christian, but I have recently joined the LP.  I can&#8217;t vote for McCain, or for a Democrat.  I have been a Republican for years, but can&#8217;t support their big gov&#8217;t., big spending, Globalist(SPP) crap anymore.</p>
	<p>  I am surprised that third parties, from what I am seeing, don&#8217;t work together better for the chance to change the 2 party system.  For example, I would vote for Ron Paul as a third party candidate, whether it was the CP, or LP, etc.<br />
  In November, I will vote for a thirdparty candidate, if my state(IA) has one on the ballot.  I will vote LP, if possible, but will then vote for CP, etc.  I hope that there are enough disgruntled Rep. and Dem. to do the same, and make a difference.<br />
  I am also retired Navy, and I still think Ron Paul is the only candidate that can save our country from spending itself into oblivian. He is definitely our best hope to save our Constitution, and prevent it from being superceded by one from the <span class="caps">NAU</span>.
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		<title>by: Fred C.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-497314</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:49:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Go ahead and build your Shinto monument at the city park Dave, I won't stop you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Go ahead and build your Shinto monument at the city park Dave, I won&#8217;t stop you.</p>
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		<title>by: Dave Williams</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-497298</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Feb 2008 04:35:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hahahaha...Ok Dan, point taken. 

But answer this; Which god(s) do we allow to be included in our government? Remember, this is a country comprised of descendants of all the worlds religions. Are we going to put it to a vote and count out the populace 'who really don't mater' because they're different than the 'true believers'. This entire debate about religion being part of the government is frankly, ridiculous. It should be a government for all of the people, not just a few of the people.

I'll never forget the comments of a former friend to my wife who is an immigrant and is of a different religion than he...&quot;If you don't want to be like us you need to go back to where you came from.&quot; I can't believe an American said that! How obtuse can this country be? Very, just look at GW and his now replacement, JM.

That is what kills me about Evangelicals &amp;#38; Muslims...&quot;If you're not one of us, you will not go to heaven.&quot; So that means Japan…a wonderful prosperous nation of 120 million people, are doomed to the lake of fire...&quot;Yes Dave, because they're not like us.&quot; You people need your heads examined. I'll have no part of a god who would not accept an extraordinary culture as the Japanese into a place of sanctuary, but would rather condemn them to death...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hahahaha&#8230;Ok Dan, point taken.</p>
	<p>But answer this; Which god(s) do we allow to be included in our government? Remember, this is a country comprised of descendants of all the worlds religions. Are we going to put it to a vote and count out the populace &#8216;who really don&#8217;t mater&#8217; because they&#8217;re different than the &#8216;true believers&#8217;. This entire debate about religion being part of the government is frankly, ridiculous. It should be a government for all of the people, not just a few of the people.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ll never forget the comments of a former friend to my wife who is an immigrant and is of a different religion than he&#8230;&#8221;If you don&#8217;t want to be like us you need to go back to where you came from.&#8221; I can&#8217;t believe an American said that! How obtuse can this country be? Very, just look at GW and his now replacement, JM.</p>
	<p>That is what kills me about Evangelicals &#038; Muslims&#8230;&#8221;If you&#8217;re not one of us, you will not go to heaven.&#8221; So that means Japan&#8230;a wonderful prosperous nation of 120 million people, are doomed to the lake of fire&#8230;&#8221;Yes Dave, because they&#8217;re not like us.&#8221; You people need your heads examined. I&#8217;ll have no part of a god who would not accept an extraordinary culture as the Japanese into a place of sanctuary, but would rather condemn them to death&#8230;</p>
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		<title>by: Dan Morris</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-496924</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:48:54 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>'Separation of Church and State'

  Seems to be a big mis-understanding of 'Separation of Church and State'.  It is not in the Constitution.  It was in a personal letter written by Thomas Jefferson. It's meaning has been totally turned arond.  He did not mean that religion could not be in government, but that the government wouldn't have a State Church, as was the Church of England.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8216;Separation of Church and State&#8217;</p>
	<p>  Seems to be a big mis-understanding of &#8216;Separation of Church and State&#8217;.  It is not in the Constitution.  It was in a personal letter written by Thomas Jefferson. It&#8217;s meaning has been totally turned arond.  He did not mean that religion could not be in government, but that the government wouldn&#8217;t have a State Church, as was the Church of England.
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		<title>by: Dave Williams</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-496874</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 23:01:21 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I posted the following on another thread;

&quot;WAR supports all Americans rights to personal freedoms, www.rootforamerica.com including ones right to his/her sexual preferences…

The big government/anti-personal freedom movements in this country must be stopped! I may not agree with someone else’s beliefs but it is none of my business what other citizens believe/do if it’s not hurting someone else.

We must work towards a fiscally responsible smaller government, a strong military to defend our country only in the event of attack by a ‘real enemy’ and more personal/business freedoms.

Ultra-CONS should stay away from the LP...&quot;

If you are a CP or are considering becoming a CP, good for you, but to have a platform that promotes a particular religious belief is just not inline with LIBERTY.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I posted the following on another thread;</p>
	<p>&#8220;WAR supports all Americans rights to personal freedoms, <a href='http://www.rootforamerica.com' rel='nofollow'>www.rootforamerica.com</a> including ones right to his/her sexual preferences&#8230;</p>
	<p>The big government/anti-personal freedom movements in this country must be stopped! I may not agree with someone else&#8217;s beliefs but it is none of my business what other citizens believe/do if it&#8217;s not hurting someone else.</p>
	<p>We must work towards a fiscally responsible smaller government, a strong military to defend our country only in the event of attack by a &#8216;real enemy&#8217; and more personal/business freedoms.</p>
	<p>Ultra-CONS should stay away from the LP&#8230;&#8221;</p>
	<p>If you are a CP or are considering becoming a CP, good for you, but to have a platform that promotes a particular religious belief is just not inline with <span class="caps">LIBERTY</span>.</p>
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		<title>by: Dave Williams</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-496861</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;The Constitution Party wants God acknowledged as part of our daily life. What is wrong with this? Why should non-believers be upset at this?&quot; 

As a 'non-believer', I believe that you have the right to believe what ever mythology, bedtime story, fairytale you want to believe. I just don't want your belief system to be part of the common government and neither did the founding fathers... Your belief system would strive to subjugate those who do not wish to accept your personal beliefs as it already does and has.

You might think that a nation of 'godless non-believers' are dysfunctional. I direct your attention to Japan...a wonderful prosperous nation of 120 million people who enjoy more freedom on a daily basis than I do as an American (because of your god and the Marxists, tyranny from both sides). I don't see any Japanese Americans pushing Shintoism down our throats on a daily basis...so why should we acknowledge your god on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;The Constitution Party wants God acknowledged as part of our daily life. What is wrong with this? Why should non-believers be upset at this?&#8221;</p>
	<p>As a &#8216;non-believer&#8217;, I believe that you have the right to believe what ever mythology, bedtime story, fairytale you want to believe. I just don&#8217;t want your belief system to be part of the common government and neither did the founding fathers&#8230; Your belief system would strive to subjugate those who do not wish to accept your personal beliefs as it already does and has.</p>
	<p>You might think that a nation of &#8216;godless non-believers&#8217; are dysfunctional. I direct your attention to Japan&#8230;a wonderful prosperous nation of 120 million people who enjoy more freedom on a daily basis than I do as an American (because of your god and the Marxists, tyranny from both sides). I don&#8217;t see any Japanese Americans pushing Shintoism down our throats on a daily basis&#8230;so why should we acknowledge your god on a daily basis.</p>
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		<title>by: Fred C.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-496791</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 22:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Russ: If Ron Paul isn't asking for his write-ins to be counted, they might not be. It's also possible that even if he does want them counted, they might not be.  Write-ins are even more marginalized than third parties - they're left for last, only counted under circumstance, and even then they're often ignored.  Look at how Philadelphia routinely ignores write-in votes. Look at how a write-in for mayor of San Diego actually won, but didn't get into office because some voters didn't know there was more to writing-in a person than just writing their name (Donna Frye).

Who's wasting their vote?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Russ: If Ron Paul isn&#8217;t asking for his write-ins to be counted, they might not be. It&#8217;s also possible that even if he does want them counted, they might not be.  Write-ins are even more marginalized than third parties &#8211; they&#8217;re left for last, only counted under circumstance, and even then they&#8217;re often ignored.  Look at how Philadelphia routinely ignores write-in votes. Look at how a write-in for mayor of San Diego actually won, but didn&#8217;t get into office because some voters didn&#8217;t know there was more to writing-in a person than just writing their name (Donna Frye).</p>
	<p>Who&#8217;s wasting their vote?</p>
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		<title>by: Russ H</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/13/the-cp-on-ron-paul-staying-republican/#comment-496745</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 21:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>To all Dr. Paul Supporters;
              Give up your votes and go with another party? WHAT!! ARE YOU NUTS!!!!!! I will not waste a vote. Dr. Paul took the time and woke us up...I will write him in in November. The rest of the candidates are the wasted votes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To all Dr. Paul Supporters;</p>
	<p>              Give up your votes and go with another party? <span class="caps">WHAT</span>!! <span class="caps">ARE YOU NUTS</span><img src="!" alt="" border="0" /><img src="!" alt="" border="0" /> I will not waste a vote. Dr. Paul took the time and woke us up&#8230;I will write him in in November. The rest of the candidates are the wasted votes.
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		<title>by: Red Phillips</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Feb 2008 19:57:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Mr. Monroe, I agree that conservatives should migrate to the CP instead of trying to form a new conservative party, but, with all due respect, the Republican Party, the Party of Lincoln, has never stood for the Constitution.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Mr. Monroe, I agree that conservatives should migrate to the CP instead of trying to form a new conservative party, but, with all due respect, the Republican Party, the Party of Lincoln, has never stood for the Constitution.</p>
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