Prospective Constitution Party candidates

I’ve been contemplating what each prospective Constitution Party Presidential candidate brings to the table in terms of voter outreach and party building. I decided to seek the opinions of the intelligent crowd here at Thirdpartywatch. Here is what i’ve come up with thus far.

In this post i’m going to explore the candidacies of Dr. Alan Keyes, Dr. Jerome Corsi, Rev. Chuck Baldwin, Sen. Bob Smith, and Judge Roy Moore. I will not be considering the lesser candidates, because their voter-outreach capabilities are evident: You are at a third party news website, can you name the others? See, evident.

Dr. Alan Keyes (MD) – Keyes is a longtime activist and has made significant inroads with social conservatives. Although his resume is lackluster for the Republican nomination for the presidency, it is remarkable for a Constitution Party candidate. Should he choose to run he’ll attract many black social-conservatives and pro-life advocates, but this doesn’t seem to be new territory. He could attract double digits in Utah, Alaska, Montana, and similar states. He is catholic, and Harvard educated. I think his biggest potential for outreach though, would be via Radio talk shows—where he often thrives wether or not he is a candidate.

Dr. Jerome Corsi (NJ) – A frequent guest on various right-wing radio shows, columnist for WND, and bestselling author—Jerome Corsi certainly brings a lot to the table in terms of media-advocacy. His latest work, The Late Great USA, hit Number 1 on the New York Times bestseller list, so he definetly has the outreach capabilities. Corsi could easily shore up support amongst the Far-Right for the Constitution Party, but maybe not beyond that. Corsi, another catholic, would attract serious support for pro-life advocates and those who oppose the North American Union, making states like Texas and Oklahoma his natural base of support (unfortunately, the Constitution Party will likely not achieve ballot access in those states). Naturally he would also enjoy support in his heavily catholic home state. Another Harvard educated man, Corsi would be difficult to confuse in debates. I tend to think Corsi is a likely VP choice.

Rev. Chuck Baldwin (FL) – Dr. Baldwin is, without a doubt, the most well-known candidate in this list within the Constitution Party and the most highly regarded. Mr. Baldwin’s work on behalf of the Constitution Party has been vigorous and selfless. He seems a reluctant candidate, most likely wanting to defer to a bigger name or better candidate (though many have told me there is no such thing). Christian supporters of Ron Paul would likely be attracted to Baldwin, as his columns were often supportive of Ron Paul’s candidacy for the Republican nomination. Baldwin’s natural base of support would be northern and central Florida, as well as the pandhandle and southern Alabama.

Former Sen. Bob Smith (NH/FL) – Sen. Smith’s outreach mostly consists of his appeal in his home states of New Hampshire and Florida. States with large conservative catholic populations like Rhode Island, Pennsylvania, Louisiana, New Jersey, and Wisonsin would also be ideal targets. Additionally, Smith’s popularity amongst Cuban-Americans because of his advocacy on the Elian Gonzales issue would be an interesting factor.

Former Judge Roy Moore (AL) – Judge Moore has demonstrated support in Alabama, where his atempt to seize the Republican nomination for the gubanatorial race in 2006 achieved 35% against a popular incumbent with much more money and support form the Republican national establishment. Moore’s popularity would extend across the south and west, with an outside chance of winning Alabama and other deep-south states. Moore’s fundraising abilities are probably the most pronounced on this list, with the proven ability to raise a couple of million on a losing race.

Mind you, i’m not looking for your opinions on these candidates, just your opinion on their natural constiuencies or abilities of outreach/party building. Of course, if you’d like to share—feel free.

43 Responses to “Prospective Constitution Party candidates”

  1. BillTx Says:

    Some brief advice to the Constitution Party:

    Alan Keyes = FAIL

  2. joe murphy Says:

    Trent,

    I have been running these names through my head as well. I will comment in the order you listed them.

    Dr. Alan Keyes (MD)- I really love to hear Keyes speak, but as a presidential candidate I think he turns too many people off. I do not even feel that he has a true base that he would do well in and I do not think he would get double digits anywhere.

    Dr. Jerome Corsi (NJ)- A very intelligent man and someone who is strong on a couple of issues. I do not think he could raise alot of money(sadly that matters to a degree) and I think him being catholic is a non issue. I agree with you that he would make a great VP choice.

    Rev. Chuck Baldwin (FL) – He is our only “homegrown” guy if there is such a thing. I think he would make a fine president. Unfortunately I do not think he is that well known and would have trouble raising money. Also his outreach of constiuents is not very large I suspect. I do not know if he would consider a VP slot again, though I would have no problem voting for him as president. I just do not think nationwide he would do well.

    Former Sen. Bob Smith (NH/FL)- I wish I knew more about him. If he is a true constitutionalist then I would say he is the best candidate for president. I feel he could raise money and should have connections to get noticed by the media. He also may have some influence in NH and FLA. With him as well I think being catholic is a non issue with voters nationwide.

    Former Judge Roy Moore (AL)- Another great speaker and man of conviction. I feel he would do well in the south and west. He also could raise alot of money. I feel his main negative is the nation in general would feel that he is trying to force christianity on them. Nobody wants anything forced on them real or even if its just perceived.

    I would have to say of these my ticket would be Bob Smith/Jerome Corsi if Smith is a constitutionalist. If he proves me wrong I would say Moore or Baldwin/Corsi.

  3. Trent Hill Says:

    I only mention the catholicism because here in South Louisiana,it matters alot. Catholics down here vote for their own.

  4. Michael Cathcart Says:

    Every Third Party should band together and endorse “None of the Above.” I could vote for None of the Above. Its unfortunate that we live in two party system, that’s why I’m glad Paul is sticking it out to Convention. He knows that the only hope is to reform the Republican Party, otherwise you’re just standing outside the window staring in, and unless you sneak inside and start rearranging and fixing things there is no hope.

  5. Andy Says:

    Regarding the Catholic vote, I wonder how significant it really is. I am Catholic and would gladly support another Catholic who is a Constitutionalist but when I see ‘Catholics’ like Rudy, Richardson, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry…all of whom are pro-death for the unborn, pro-amnesty, anti-gun…what does it mean anymore?

    Ideology does matter but it has become taboo to discuss so regardless of which candidate is proposed the American public has little interest in what makes our leaders tick.

    Paul is not Catholic but he is sincere and has my write-in vote if no other choice is available. On you list I think I would support Mr. Baldwin but doubt he or any of them have the ability to fight the machine any better that has marganilized Paul to the point of ridicule. Honesty and integrity do not carry the weight it used to and has been replaced with the empty promise of universal healthcare and taking the fight to the enemy in offensive wars. That is what the new America wants…not independence or liberty.

    Keep your powder dry.

  6. Trent Hill Says:

    Andy,

    Its a swing factor more than anything. If someone cant decide between voting for McCain or Smith, it will help them decide. I promise you,catholicism has alot to do with political decisions down here.

    Andy, I hope you understand that your write-in vote will most likely not be counted. Richard Winger could give you exact details, but most states will not count write-in ballots for a candidate that has not filed a statement of write-in candidacy.

  7. Hugh Jass Says:

    Too bad for the Constitution Party that none of these candidates are running yet and their convention’s in April. At the very least, Chuck Baldwin should enter the race soon.

  8. Trent Hill Says:

    Hugh Jass,

    All candidates have at least considered it.

  9. Tom Hoefling Says:

    Alan Keyes is far-and-away the most reliable, consistent, courageous, experienced representative of constitutional American governance the CP could ever hope to find. As a bonus, he’s the most capable communicator of this generation, having so deeply internalized the founding principles of America that that knowledge simply pours forth like an artesian well every time he opens his mouth.

    If the CP can get him, you’d be fools not to. If you pass this great man by, as the GOP has to date stupidly done, you might just as well just pack it in. You’ve missed your moment in history.

    And I say this as someone who at least to some degree knows everyone else you listed. God bless ‘em, but they’re not Alan Keyes. All of them would probably tell you the same thing, if you asked.

    IF the bulk of the conservative movement, or at least the part that matters, the principled part, must be led out of the GOP, as the nomination of John McCain will necessitate, only someone like Alan could do it.

  10. Andy Says:

    “Andy Says:

    February 24th, 2008 at 11:47 pm
    Regarding the Catholic vote, I wonder how significant it really is. I am Catholic and would gladly support another Catholic who is a Constitutionalist but when I see ‘Catholics’ like Rudy, Richardson, Pelosi, Kennedy, Kerry…all of whom are pro-death for the unborn, pro-amnesty, anti-gun…what does it mean anymore?”

    I don’t know who posted the above, but it was not me, the Andy who usually posts here.

  11. SovereignMN Says:

    Hugh is right. Some of these candidates needs to really get the ball rolling. Many affiliates have already elected their delegates to the April convention and many more will be electing them in the coming month.

  12. Red Phillips Says:

    Trent, you failed to mention the Elephant in the living room, the War and interventionism. Keyes is pro-War. Corsi seems to be although he is back tracking a little. Smith seems to be. The CP is a non-interventionist party and must remain so if it is to have ANY credibility with its natural base of the “far right.” Non-interventionism has won the debate on the “far right.”

    For this reason, I think Keyes, Corsi and Smith are non-starters. I have other problems with Keyes, but I won’t go into that in great detail since that isn’t the point of this thread.

  13. Sean Scallon Says:

    No, if the CP nominates Alan Keyes they should pack it in.

    Smith wouldn’t be a bad choice on paper, but he screwed over the party big time back in 2000 and unless he publicy apologizes for what he did and announces his opposition to the war, then he’s a non-starter as well.

    To me, the best candidates are Roy Moore and Chuck Baldwin

  14. Red Phillips Says:

    Interestingly, none of these potential candidates is scheduled to address the CP state convention here in Georgia in March. This is a problem for the CP. There is no real CP primary. There is just a choice by acclamation at their convention. So there is no time to ramp up a campaign.

  15. Trent Hill Says:

    Red,

    Agreed. Im hoping all of these candidates are announced by mid-march so they can attend some of the State Conventions. If only to boost attendance at those meetings.

    You’re in Georgia, Chuck Baldwin and Sen. Smith are both fairly close. You should invite them.

  16. Tom Hoefling Says:

    You’re in a war, whether you like it or not.

    When there are people who are determined to kill you, and you pretend that isn’t the case, there’s only one way you can end up: dead.

    The vast majority of true conservatives understand this.

  17. Trent Hill Says:

    Tom,

    You just demonstrated why most of us will not cast nominating votes for Keyes.

    Hopefully Smith and Moore are sufficiently anti-intervedntionist.

  18. Red Phillips Says:

    Tom, the enemy that we should be combating, stateless Muslim terrorists, couldn’t kill us all if they wanted to. That kind of silly and mindless fear mongering is one reason why the CP must be clear that it is anti-IraqWar and anti-intervention. Besides, we are not fighting stateless terrorists in Iraq.

    “The vast majority of true conservatives understand this.”

    The vast majority of “mainstream” conservatives and Republicans “understand” this. That is why I said anti-intervention has won the debate on the “far right.” And that is why Keyes belongs in the GOP with all his neocon buddies. Not in the CP which is a principled conservative and constitutionalist party, not a hotbed of modern day Jacobins.

    Please explain to me how I and other anti-interventionists will end up dead (that is what you asserted) if we withdraw from Iraq, withdraw all our troops from the Middle East, end foreign aid, and become diplomatically neutral in their affairs which is what we should do. How will that cause us to end up dead? Please explain.

  19. Michael Says:

    There are a lot of people talking about the Constitution Party nomination on Ambassador Keyes website. For 2008, any combo of Keyes-Smith would be good.

  20. Ben Says:

    If the Constitution Party endorses a war-monger like Alan Keyes as its Presidential nominee, many current CPers will have ask themselves why they ever left the GOP.

  21. Red Phillips Says:

    Michael, they are deluding themselves. The leadership of the party does not support Keyes and would view his attempt to get the nomination as a hostile takeover.

  22. Sean Scallon Says:

    Tom, your true candidate almost has the GOP nomination locked up. Go to his websiet and support him there.

    By the way, do you know what Alan Keyes’ platform was when he ran for U.S. Senator in Illinois? Slave reparations, a draft and keeping the Dept. of Agriculte. Yep, now there’s a conservative for you. A neoconservative.

    Alan Keyes is fast becoming the Lenora Fulani of the right. Like a parasite he will attach himself to anything he can feed off of. Hopefully the CP will not prove to be a suitable host.

  23. Sean Scallon Says:

    Tom, your true candidate almost has the GOP nomination locked up. Go to his website and support him there.

    By the way, do you know what Alan Keyes’ platform was when he ran for U.S. Senator in Illinois? Slave reparations, a draft and keeping the Dept. of Agriculte. Yep, now there’s a conservative for you. A neoconservative.

    Alan Keyes is fast becoming the Lenora Fulani of the right. Like a parasite he will attach himself to anything he can feed off of. Hopefully the CP will not prove to be a suitable host.

  24. David Says:

    If Keyes would get the nomination – the peak of his campaign and support would be when he gives his acceptance speach. After that it would be all down hill. His nomination could very well kill off the constitution party as a national party.

    Corsi and Baldwin are in my opinion both good men – and both have good creditials and support in various facits of the hard right (palecon’s) what ever you want to call us (I prefer real conservatives) but are not well known by the general public. I can not see either man getting enough publicity or raising enough money to get much more than 500,000 votes nation wide. (however, that would be an improvement on past Constitution Party Nominees)

    Smith – if he were to get the nomination would get more publicity and money from having been a US Senator – however, I don’t think his potentional would be much more than 1 million votes. Don’t over estimate how fast the public forgets elected officials once they are out of office especially one from such a small state as New Hampshire. I don’t really think Smith brings much to the table than Corsi or Baldwin except a little more name ID

    Moore – if he really went after it in a full out campaign – would be in my opinion the best candidate for the party and would have the potential to draw 2 1/2 to 3 million voters. His name ID and support with certain parts of the Christian community especially considering who else is in the race could be substantial enough to cost McCain several southern and border states in the electorial college and if he really catches fire and the vote get split up (with one or two substantial contenders other than the R’s and D’s)he might even win a state or two. However, my warning is once again people forget quickly Moore is probably already past his peak in name ID and support. After all it has been a few years now since his 10 commandment publicity was at its height.

    in closing considering who the republicans are running I would be glad to vote for any of these men except Keyes

  25. Ferenc Says:

    Hi everybody.
    Tom,no matter what some of this people say, you right. Who want to make peace with radical muslims, those who want to kill all cristians are blind, damm. They must start to learn the true history about how many times conflict start betwee the two religion.

    GOD BLESS

  26. Tom the Trotskyist Says:

    all of these candidates are about to be marginalized with when Barack Obama, the reincarnation of Trotsky and Jesus, brings out the true globalist antitconstitutionalist socialst revolution, socializing the entire bloglobe and destroying liberty forever. Please pray for the pope. Amen.

  27. ArchConservative Says:

    Chuck Baldwin is the best choice for the Constitution Party nomination. He is a true conservative who will grow the party, not try to make it some sort of spoiler movement. His background as an evangelist and as a great author will certainly make him more attractive then the politicos of Keyes. Besides, I like the idea of a Baldwin-Grundmann ticket (Grundmann is currently an announced candidate for the Prez nomination).

  28. Kevin Thompson Says:

    Chuck Baldwin is the best candidate for the Constitution Party, by far.

  29. Trent Hill Says:

    Grundmann will not be our presidential or vice presidential candidate.
    He cant even get more than 200k votes in CA,why would we put him on the Presidential ticket?

    Moore, Smith, Keyes, Corsi, Baldwin—-they all have their problems, but they all bring something more to the table.

  30. Ben Says:

    Grundmann is an experienced campaigner. Chuck Baldwin’s campaign experience amounts to giving a speech at the 2004 National Convention accepting the CP’s nomination. After that, Chuck was back at his church and not engaging in any visible campaigning for VP. How many votes did Moore, Smith, Keyes, Corsi, or Baldwin ever get in California? The electorate has short memories, none of these names mean anything to the general population. These folks are only popular among paleocons that have likely already committed themselves to voting CP vs. McCain. There may be a few dozen Republicans that will get involved in a Keyes campaign, but that is about it. Dr. Don Grundmann is no worse a candidate than of these other yahoos. The Constitution Party could run Mel Gibson for President and its vote totals would still be abysmal. No need to make a campaign video. Mel’s already made two, Braveheart and the Patriot.

  31. NewFederalist Says:

    Why not draft Ron Paul? The Libertarians are trying to so why not the Constitutionalists? Once he has secured renomination to Congress on March 4th with no Democratic opponent in November he might consider it. It sure couldn’t hurt to ask.

  32. Trent Hill Says:

    “Grundmann is an experienced campaigner. Chuck Baldwin’s campaign experience amounts to giving a speech at the 2004 National Convention accepting the CP’s nomination. After that, Chuck was back at his church and not engaging in any visible campaigning for VP. How many votes did Moore, Smith, Keyes, Corsi, or Baldwin ever get in California?”

    Smith was elected to the Us Senate in NH. Judge Moore was elected to the Supreme Court in AL and recieved 35% for governor against a popular incumbent. Keyes recieved over 1 million votes in his 2000 race nationwide and many votes in MD and IL.
    Grundmann,unfortunately has no wealth, no appeal, no name recognition, no nothing to attract outsiders. He should do more of his excellent work in CA.

  33. R.T. Says:

    New Federalist

    Paul said he won’t run third party. As a man of his word, I think that is final. Part of me would love to see him run CP. But part of me would be disapointed if he broke his word.

    I voted for Keyes in 2000, but I think the best ticket for the CP would be Baldwin/Corsi.

    R.T.

  34. Jason Says:

    Smith and Judge Moore would be the best hope for a break out for the CP. Together, I venture to say they may pull in 1% of the vote. Better than any other third-party that will run in 08. That I can confidently say. Those are the choices—the only choices for a real chance of making a splash.

    However, this election is way too serious and personal for most voters. It will be hard for any other party to make strides this year. The Dems are energized like never before. And the Republicans, McCain and all, will swallow their bitter mush to keep the two Leftward Leaders of the Democratic Party.

  35. Jason Says:

    keep the two Leftward Leaders of the Democratic Party “out.”

    Had to add that last word…

  36. Ben Says:

    It’s 1996 all over again. Even McCain supporters are not excited about him. The McCain people remind of Dole people from 1996, mostly the same people. Some have died since 1996, but they have been replaced by a new crop of “boot-licking establishment wannabes.” I’ve been waiting over 10 years to trot that phrase out again. :)

  37. Trent Hill Says:

    “Smith and Judge Moore would be the best hope for a break out for the CP. Together, I venture to say they may pull in 1% of the vote. Better than any other third-party that will run in 08.”

    1%? Smith was elected by majorities in NH. Moore the same,and then was wildly popular all across the the south and midwest. Smith also enjoys support from Cuban-Americans and pro-life advocates all over the country. With a decent effort, Smith could break into 3-5%. With a decent effort on Moore’s behalf,he could win electoral votes. Especially in the Deep South (LA, MS, AL, GA, TN) and Western Leave-me-alone states (AK, MT, WY, NV, and ID).

  38. RuthIA Says:

    I agree with many of the others that said Alan Keyes won’t ‘fit the bill’. My candidates would be Moore/Baldwin. In the ‘heat of the battle’ Moore and Baldwin would not crumple to opposition. Also, I know when Chief Justice Moore was in IA he (in 2004?) he was met with the largest reception of Christians that had attended a particular annual banquet ever. It wasn’t difficult attracting an audience that year.

  39. Andy Says:

    I’m in the Libertarian Party but as an outsider looking in to the Constitution Party I’d say that Chuck Baldwin is probably the Constitution Party’s best bet right now out of the candidates who are being talked about for the nomination.

    Jerome Corsi MIGHT be good but I think that there are still some serious questions about him on the issues. From what I know about him I think that he came out in favor of the war in Iraq. Unless he’s had some major shifts in foreign policy I’d disqualify him for the nomination based on that.

    Chuck Baldwin seems like a solid Constitution Party guy, he was the Constitution Party’s VP candidate in 2004, and he’s at least got a small political following.

  40. Cody Quirk Says:

    Some brief advice to the Constitution Party:

    Alan Keyes = FAIL

    =AGREED!

    Alan is a egotistical opportunist, I would never vote for him.

  41. Trent Hill Says:

    Dont say never. Given the opportunity between McCain, Obama, some pro-choice/open-borders libertarian—-i’d definetly vote for Keyes.

  42. Paul Says:

    So who do I vote for? I have no idea now! Huckabee is gone. I can’t vote Ron Paul Don’t like him sorry. I don’t like the democrats. So this year instead of voting republican like I did for bush I will vote 3rd party. I wonder who DR James Dobson will promote??? I use to be a democrat but that was because I was 18-19 and not educated so I voted for Clinton because my parents are democrats and said so. They still are I am an Independent thinker and religion and rights play into my vote.

  43. RebelHawk Says:

    Here is just a thought. What about the Constitution Party endorsing Bob Bar, who will likely be the Libertarian Party’s candidate? Is there any problem with that?
    I’m sure there would be some objections and I would like to hear them because I have not explored this idea much. It just now popped into my head.
    Share your thoughts, please.

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