Comments on: Ron Paul and Bob Barr Rumor http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 04:10:15 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Brian Holtz http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-530945 Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:16:44 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-530945 Nolan Space is defined by its two dimensions of 1) economic liberty vs. legislated equality, and 2) personal liberty vs. legislated morality. Nolan Space is not defined by the WSPQ. Any Nolan-Space quiz that broadly surveys economic and personal freedoms should plot the Greens farther out on the left-right equator than the D's and R's are, and thus farther away from the LP than them. I've got a back-burner project going to compare my own version of the Quiz with seven leading alternatives (including Carl's), and I'm already confident that mine plots the most interesting parties/ideologies (LP, D, R, G, CP, Nazi, Communist) more intelligently than any of the others. Mine is at http://marketliberal.org/Ruler.pdf. My other competitor to the WSPQ is one that packs twice as many questions into half the space, for use on the back on my campaign business card: http://marketliberal.org/Card.pdf. It's not quite as accurate as my full quiz for all the above parites/ideologies, but it seems like a space-saving way to combine a quiz with a miniature legislative program. Nolan Space is defined by its two dimensions of 1) economic liberty vs. legislated equality, and 2) personal liberty vs. legislated morality. Nolan Space is not defined by the WSPQ. Any Nolan-Space quiz that broadly surveys economic and personal freedoms should plot the Greens farther out on the left-right equator than the D’s and R’s are, and thus farther away from the LP than them.

I’ve got a back-burner project going to compare my own version of the Quiz with seven leading alternatives (including Carl’s), and I’m already confident that mine plots the most interesting parties/ideologies (LP, D, R, G, CP, Nazi, Communist) more intelligently than any of the others. Mine is at http://marketliberal.org/Ruler.pdf.

My other competitor to the WSPQ is one that packs twice as many questions into half the space, for use on the back on my campaign business card: http://marketliberal.org/Card.pdf. It’s not quite as accurate as my full quiz for all the above parites/ideologies, but it seems like a space-saving way to combine a quiz with a miniature legislative program.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-529505 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:17:59 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-529505 Tom, you severely criticize me, yet you decloak in cyberspace in a timely manner quite often to defend me. Tom, you severely criticize me, yet you decloak in cyberspace in a timely manner quite often to defend me.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-529497 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 19:14:49 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-529497 Brian Holtz, I'll refer you to Carl's "upper left" party. I submit that this is where the progressive party used to be. Carl proposes/fantasizes starting(recreating) this party. I don't know what he proposes to call it. I've rejected this in favor of the strategy because such a party would be in direct competition with the LP & GP. & I don't see it replacing them or either of them whithering away-at least not in the near future. I'm concerned about 2008. Brian Holtz, I’ll refer you to Carl’s “upper left” party. I submit that this is where the progressive party used to be. Carl proposes/fantasizes starting(recreating) this party. I don’t know what he proposes to call it. I’ve rejected this in favor of the strategy because such a party would be in direct competition with the LP & GP. & I don’t see it replacing them or either of them whithering away-at least not in the near future. I’m concerned about 2008.

]]> by: Thomas L. Knapp http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-529098 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:57:05 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-529098 Brian, How do you define "Nolan Space?" The questions used on the WSPQ do change occasionally, and it would be a simple matter to construct a set of questions putting any one party closer to the LP than any other party. Brian,

How do you define “Nolan Space?” The questions used on the WSPQ do change occasionally, and it would be a simple matter to construct a set of questions putting any one party closer to the LP than any other party.

]]> by: Brian Holtz http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-529044 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 15:36:29 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-529044 Chris's proposal makes more sense than yours, because both the D's and R's are closer to the LP in Nolan (i.e. policy) space than the Greens are. Chris’s proposal makes more sense than yours, because both the D’s and R’s are closer to the LP in Nolan (i.e. policy) space than the Greens are.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-528674 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 13:23:10 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-528674 Chris, I can see you put a lot of thought into that. Let me ponder that, ok? Chris, I can see you put a lot of thought into that. Let me ponder that, ok?

]]> by: Chris http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-528591 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 12:24:10 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-528591 While we're at it Bob, why not just contact the Republicans and Democrats and ask them to agree to the Honor System as well? Then we'll definitely win! I have a new strategy that will guarantee a win on each individual ballot: first come first served. If you get on the ballot first, everyone else should just find another ballot on their honor. You'd run unopposed! It's genius. While we’re at it Bob, why not just contact the Republicans and Democrats and ask them to agree to the Honor System as well? Then we’ll definitely win!

I have a new strategy that will guarantee a win on each individual ballot: first come first served. If you get on the ballot first, everyone else should just find another ballot on their honor. You’d run unopposed! It’s genius.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-528135 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 05:19:05 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-528135 Brian Holtz, & as seen from the other side, why should a green leave the entire third party vote on a certain ballot to a paleo-dinosaur Ronulan? BECAUSE...this is a strategy to WIN on each individual ballot. So you are secure in your ballot as long as all other libertarians & greens respect your initiative in getting on that ballot first. Now THEY can find another ballot and so on until ALL ballots are filled. So, contact your green nemesis & ask her to agree to the Honor System & find another ballot & pass the word. Agreed? Brian Holtz, & as seen from the other side, why should a green leave the entire third party vote on a certain ballot to a paleo-dinosaur Ronulan? BECAUSE…this is a strategy to WIN on each individual ballot. So you are secure in your ballot as long as all other libertarians & greens respect your initiative in getting on that ballot first. Now THEY can find another ballot and so on until ALL ballots are filled. So, contact your green nemesis & ask her to agree to the Honor System & find another ballot & pass the word. Agreed?

]]> by: Chris Moore http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527934 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:40:21 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527934 <blockquote>Since you certify she is “speaking the truth”, I challenge you to defend every one of the seven falsehoods, inaccuracies, and distortions I documented her making. Either that, or admit you make assertions about the 9/11 controversy without checking your facts. So which will it be, Andy?</blockquote> He won't. I've pointed him to numerous peer-reviewed articles about the collapse published in actual engineering and fire safety journals by academics with degrees and publication records in the relevant fields. Andy refuses to even read the abstracts, saying that it is a waste of his time. Watch him avoid simple questions here: http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/20/ed-thompson-wins-mayoral-primary/#comments
Since you certify she is “speaking the truth”, I challenge you to defend every one of the seven falsehoods, inaccuracies, and distortions I documented her making. Either that, or admit you make assertions about the 9/11 controversy without checking your facts. So which will it be, Andy?

He won’t. I’ve pointed him to numerous peer-reviewed articles about the collapse published in actual engineering and fire safety journals by academics with degrees and publication records in the relevant fields. Andy refuses to even read the abstracts, saying that it is a waste of his time.

Watch him avoid simple questions here:

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/02/20/ed-thompson-wins-mayoral-primary/#comments

]]> by: Brian Holtz http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527916 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 01:11:51 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527916 Robert, I'll gladly withdraw in favor of any candidate, Green or Libertarian, who endorses more of the EcoLibertarian Manifesto than I do, or endorses the same amount of it as me but filed earlier. Neither is the case in my race, and I see no honor in a Libertarian leaving the entire third-party vote to a socialist Green. Robert, I’ll gladly withdraw in favor of any candidate, Green or Libertarian, who endorses more of the EcoLibertarian Manifesto than I do, or endorses the same amount of it as me but filed earlier. Neither is the case in my race, and I see no honor in a Libertarian leaving the entire third-party vote to a socialist Green.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527896 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:50:19 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527896 There should be a ripple effect to this. There should be a mad dash to file for ballots by candidates of both parties. NO more empty ballots! NO more libs &#38; green competing for the vote in each ballot! There should be a ripple effect to this. There should be a mad dash to file for ballots by candidates of both parties. NO more empty ballots! NO more libs & green competing for the vote in each ballot!

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527887 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:40:16 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527887 Brian Holtz, if you are Honorbound to withdraw from this ballot, select another. Brian Holtz, if you are Honorbound to withdraw from this ballot, select another.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527881 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:29:53 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527881 Thomas M. Sipos, if I concede the point, will you let it go? Can we agree that progressive means whatever policy is the best for the general good in the present? That way, the socialists will have to concede that a capitalist system is in place &#38; the socialist&#62;communist economic systems have failed. So they have the burden of proof that it would be better or best for the general good to change economic systems. They'd also have to have the votes or the power. Now, if you want to undo what the progressives have done, why don't you start by telling your wife, mother, sister &#38; daughter they can't vote. Thomas M. Sipos, if I concede the point, will you let it go? Can we agree that progressive means whatever policy is the best for the general good in the present? That way, the socialists will have to concede that a capitalist system is in place & the socialist>communist economic systems have failed. So they have the burden of proof that it would be better or best for the general good to change economic systems. They’d also have to have the votes or the power. Now, if you want to undo what the progressives have done, why don’t you start by telling your wife, mother, sister & daughter they can’t vote.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527869 Fri, 07 Mar 2008 00:20:15 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527869 Brian, yes, that's part of what I'm asking. Has your green opponent or any other green or libertarian filed a Declaration of Candidacy for this ballot? Now, if you declare you will abide by the proposed Honor System, you can ask the same of other greens &#38; libs. So whoever filed first remains on the ballot. Others should not file or withdraw. Brian, yes, that’s part of what I’m asking. Has your green opponent or any other green or libertarian filed a Declaration of Candidacy for this ballot? Now, if you declare you will abide by the proposed Honor System, you can ask the same of other greens & libs. So whoever filed first remains on the ballot. Others should not file or withdraw.

]]> by: Thomas M. Sipos http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527757 Thu, 06 Mar 2008 22:28:18 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/04/ron-paul-and-bob-barr-rumor/#comment-527757 The word "progressive" does have Marxist roots, for the reasons I gave. Why is a socialist policy more "progressive" than a free market one? Because it has "progressed" further along the history's inevitable dialectic path. That's not what I believe, but that's why the word was coined. I don't care how many non-Marxists later came to call themselves "progressives." The origin of the word is Marxist historical dialecticism. The word “progressive” does have Marxist roots, for the reasons I gave.

Why is a socialist policy more “progressive” than a free market one? Because it has “progressed” further along the history’s inevitable dialectic path.

That’s not what I believe, but that’s why the word was coined.

I don’t care how many non-Marxists later came to call themselves “progressives.” The origin of the word is Marxist historical dialecticism.

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