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	<title>Comments on: James Antle on third parties</title>
	<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/</link>
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		<title>by: Paulie</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-539103</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 11:48:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Amen!</description>
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		<title>by: Allen Nuely</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-538786</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Mar 2008 02:33:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-538786</guid>
					<description>The CP has its problems because they want to legislate social issues. Reminds me of the liberals who want to abolish property rights on the smoking issue while the CP want to do basically the same thing on other legal businesses. I believe in Liberty, I might not like what some people choose to do but if it's peaceful and doesn't infringe on the rights of others then so be it. We don't need more laws designed to control people.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The CP has its problems because they want to legislate social issues. Reminds me of the liberals who want to abolish property rights on the smoking issue while the CP want to do basically the same thing on other legal businesses. I believe in Liberty, I might not like what some people choose to do but if it&#8217;s peaceful and doesn&#8217;t infringe on the rights of others then so be it. We don&#8217;t need more laws designed to control people.</p>
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		<title>by: Cody Quirk</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-538318</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Mar 2008 21:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-538318</guid>
					<description>There used to be CR's that were nutjobs and tained the Party horribly. But after the IAP debacle, they left for good. Any remaining have no power or voice in the party at all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>There used to be CR&#8217;s that were nutjobs and tained the Party horribly. But after the <span class="caps">IAP</span> debacle, they left for good. Any remaining have no power or voice in the party at all.</p>
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		<title>by: Jeff Wartman</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536780</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536780</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;You’d think the LPers would catch on, after the mutltitude of disastrous LP Prez campaigns: Bergland, Marrou, Browne I &amp;#38; II, and Badnarik. You’d think they’d strive for a return to an Ed Clark style campaign.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Eric Dondero wants a candidate who will call for peace and refer to himself on TV as a &quot;low-tax liberal&quot; .  Wow!</description>
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<blockquote>You&#8217;d think the LPers would catch on, after the mutltitude of disastrous <span class="caps">LP </span>Prez campaigns: Bergland, Marrou, Browne I &#038; II, and Badnarik. You&#8217;d think they&#8217;d strive for a return to an Ed Clark style campaign.</blockquote></p>
	<p>Eric Dondero wants a candidate who will call for peace and refer to himself on TV as a &#8220;low-tax liberal&#8221; .  Wow!</p>
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		<title>by: Jeff Wartman</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536777</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 03:28:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536777</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I’m all for winning local elections where possible. But LP.org is the National LP website. I can imagine the possibility that Joe Voter from Alabama, interested in investigating a different political party, might not be so impressed by a party that appears to feature as its number 2 candidate, Joe Stoner from Missouri for Macks Creek Mayor.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

It's not often that I agree with Wes, but hey, gotta give credit where credit is due.  Good point Wes.</description>
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<blockquote>I&#8217;m all for winning local elections where possible. But LP.org is the National LP website. I can imagine the possibility that Joe Voter from Alabama, interested in investigating a different political party, might not be so impressed by a party that appears to feature as its number 2 candidate, Joe Stoner from Missouri for Macks Creek Mayor.</blockquote></p>
	<p>It&#8217;s not often that I agree with Wes, but hey, gotta give credit where credit is due.  Good point Wes.</p>
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		<title>by: Paulie</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536685</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 01:36:59 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536685</guid>
					<description>Andy and Wes are both absolutely correct. 

BTW I have also personally registered tens of thousands of voters in California, and I have in fact had a small number register AIP on purpose. 

But I had WAAAAY, WAAAY more register AIP by mistake. Of the ones I caught in time and asked whether they meant to register AIP or Decline to state, the VAST, OVERWHELMING majority said they meant Decline to State. 

Some took the time to do over. Some didn't.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Andy and Wes are both absolutely correct.</p>
	<p><span class="caps">BTW I</span> have also personally registered tens of thousands of voters in California, and I have in fact had a small number register <span class="caps">AIP</span> on purpose.</p>
	<p>But I had <span class="caps">WAAAAY</span>, WAAAY more register <span class="caps">AIP</span> by mistake. Of the ones I caught in time and asked whether they meant to register <span class="caps">AIP</span> or Decline to state, the <span class="caps">VAST</span>, OVERWHELMING majority said they meant Decline to State.</p>
	<p>Some took the time to do over. Some didn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536548</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:47:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536548</guid>
					<description>&quot;In California people who don’t want to be in a political party register 'decline to state' and it is a clear option on the registration card. There is no designation of 'independent' which might cause confusion.&quot;

I've registered THOUSANDS of people to vote in California.  I NEVER had one person register as American Independent Party on purpose.  I had plenty of people who registered as Democrat and Republican on purpose,  and I even had people register as Libertarians or Greens on purpose,  but NOT ONE PERSON EVER REGISTERED AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY ON PURPOSE.  

People who checked the American Independent Party box all did so after seeing the word &quot;Independent&quot; and thinking,  &quot;Hey,  I'm an independent so I'll check this box.&quot;  After I'd inform them that that is an actual party and that if they want to register as independents in California they were supposed to check the Decline To State A Political Party box they either requested another voter registration form or they said something like,  &quot;Screw it,  I'm in a hurry.&quot; and just left it as is.  

These people are not deep thinkers.  They just went through the form really quick and checked the American Independent Party box because it had the word independent in it.  

A true measue of how big the party is would be how many of these people are actually dues paying members of the party and how many people have they elected to office.  The AIP falls WAY short in both of these more important aspects of how big they are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;In California people who don&#8217;t want to be in a political party register &#8216;decline to state&#8217; and it is a clear option on the registration card. There is no designation of &#8216;independent&#8217; which might cause confusion.&#8221;</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ve registered <span class="caps">THOUSANDS</span> of people to vote in California.  <span class="caps">I NEVER</span> had one person register as American Independent Party on purpose.  I had plenty of people who registered as Democrat and Republican on purpose,  and I even had people register as Libertarians or Greens on purpose,  but <span class="caps">NOT ONE PERSON EVER REGISTERED AMERICAN INDEPENDENT PARTY ON PURPOSE</span>.</p>
	<p>People who checked the American Independent Party box all did so after seeing the word &#8220;Independent&#8221; and thinking,  &#8220;Hey,  I&#8217;m an independent so I&#8217;ll check this box.&#8221;  After I&#8217;d inform them that that is an actual party and that if they want to register as independents in California they were supposed to check the Decline To State A Political Party box they either requested another voter registration form or they said something like,  &#8220;Screw it,  I&#8217;m in a hurry.&#8221; and just left it as is.</p>
	<p>These people are not deep thinkers.  They just went through the form really quick and checked the American Independent Party box because it had the word independent in it.</p>
	<p>A true measue of how big the party is would be how many of these people are actually dues paying members of the party and how many people have they elected to office.  The <span class="caps">AIP</span> falls <span class="caps">WAY</span> short in both of these more important aspects of how big they are.</p>
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		<title>by: joe murphy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536545</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536545</guid>
					<description>Hey  disinter,

What do you have against the CP?

&quot;I am not a “leftwing” radical, and I am here to tell you that CP members are most definitely religious nuts&quot;.

Why should I believe what you say? What is your basis for this statement and is it still true?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Hey  disinter,</p>
	<p>What do you have against the CP?</p>
	<p>&#8220;I am not a &#8220;leftwing&#8221; radical, and I am here to tell you that CP members are most definitely religious nuts&#8221;.</p>
	<p>Why should I believe what you say? What is your basis for this statement and is it still true?</p>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536543</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 22:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536543</guid>
					<description>&quot;Gary Odom Says: 

March 14th, 2008 at 8:21 am 
This myth that nobody in the American Independent Party of California knows that they are in a political party is ridiculous. As a 35 year member of the party I will admit that the party got a little lazy over the years, but the idea that all these people think they are really independent is absurd.&quot;

SOME people who are registered with the American Independent Party do know what it is,  like maybe 10% of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Gary Odom Says:</p>
	<p>March 14th, 2008 at 8:21 am<br />
This myth that nobody in the American Independent Party of California knows that they are in a political party is ridiculous. As a 35 year member of the party I will admit that the party got a little lazy over the years, but the idea that all these people think they are really independent is absurd.&#8221;</p>
	<p><span class="caps">SOME</span> people who are registered with the American Independent Party do know what it is,  like maybe 10% of them.</p>
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		<title>by: Red Phillips</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536406</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 18:37:37 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>disinter, look at my discussion of left and right libertarians near the bottom of this thread.

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/10/root-straw-poll-results-and-article-in-todays-roll-call/#comments

Historically speaking you are left wing. Think of the origin of the terms in the French Revolution. Your hostility to religion identifies you as such.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>disinter, look at my discussion of left and right libertarians near the bottom of this thread.</p>
	<p><a href='http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/10/root-straw-poll-results-and-article-in-todays-roll-call/#comments' rel='nofollow'>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/10/root-straw-poll-results-and-article-in-todays-roll-call/#comments</a></p>
	<p>Historically speaking you are left wing. Think of the origin of the terms in the French Revolution. Your hostility to religion identifies you as such.</p>
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		<title>by: fred</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536368</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 17:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Wes is right that the voters will not be impressed, and certainly Daniel Imperato does not reflect the average Libertarian. 
When we let money be the deciding factor in politics we get results that we are not happy about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Wes is right that the voters will not be impressed, and certainly Daniel Imperato does not reflect the average Libertarian.<br />
When we let money be the deciding factor in politics we get results that we are not happy about.</p>
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		<title>by: Larry Breazeale,Msgt.(ret.)USAFR</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536344</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 16:21:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536344</guid>
					<description>All this talk about 'stone-throwing-at gays' by religious reconstructionists within the C.P. is pure bunk. If you want to know where the Constitution party really stands on ANY issue, it is VERY SIMPLE! Open your eyes and read the PLATFORM of the Constitution party, provided on line.
That is &quot;if&quot; YOU really want to know where &quot;we&quot; stand.
While I was recently out in the field, in Orange County California, soliciting my necessary signatures, from registered AIPer's , to get on the Orange County Central Committee, I met many nice people from all walks of life and backgrounds....doctors, aerospace engineers, contractors, brain surgeons,housewives, many college students,just from my immediate surrounding precincts in Anaheim Hills! I sat down and visited with them and touched on &quot;party news&quot;. Ninety percent knew what the AIP (American Independent Party-aka:Constitution party) was and is! 
I was amazed to meet these people! About 1/4 of my list of Aiper's actually wanted to get active in the party! Each one I went to, I did a 'meet and greet' and left them off AIP material. I would only venture to say, that only ONE PERSON, a lady, told me she thought she registered
as an 'independent', when she registered AIP. 
Because of our beautiful, 'pro-America First' Platform and Principles of our outstanding Constitution party...we will continue to attract more fellow
American voters across the country, in droves. Our PLATFORM is something that the average voter can associate themselves with, with no problem. We and our party are a &quot;breath of fresh air to them&quot; that they can really relate to. No wonder the AIP/CP is growing by leaps and bounds!
                 -Larry Breazeale, Msgt. (ret.) USAFR
                  NATIONAL VETERANS COALITION
                     Constitution party...www.nvets.org</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>All this talk about &#8216;stone-throwing-at gays&#8217; by religious reconstructionists within the C.P. is pure bunk. If you want to know where the Constitution party really stands on <span class="caps">ANY</span> issue, it is <span class="caps">VERY SIMPLE</span>! Open your eyes and read the <span class="caps">PLATFORM</span> of the Constitution party, provided on line.<br />
That is &#8220;if&#8221; <span class="caps">YOU</span> really want to know where &#8220;we&#8221; stand.<br />
While I was recently out in the field, in Orange County California, soliciting my necessary signatures, from registered AIPer&#8217;s , to get on the Orange County Central Committee, I met many nice people from all walks of life and backgrounds&#8230;.doctors, aerospace engineers, contractors, brain surgeons,housewives, many college students,just from my immediate surrounding precincts in Anaheim Hills! I sat down and visited with them and touched on &#8220;party news&#8221;. Ninety percent knew what the <span class="caps">AIP </span>(American Independent Party-aka:Constitution party) was and is!<br />
I was amazed to meet these people! About 1/4 of my list of Aiper&#8217;s actually wanted to get active in the party! Each one I went to, I did a &#8216;meet and greet&#8217; and left them off <span class="caps">AIP</span> material. I would only venture to say, that only <span class="caps">ONE PERSON</span>, a lady, told me she thought she registered<br />
as an &#8216;independent&#8217;, when she registered <span class="caps">AIP</span>.<br />
Because of our beautiful, &#8216;pro-America First&#8217; Platform and Principles of our outstanding Constitution party&#8230;we will continue to attract more fellow<br />
American voters across the country, in droves. Our <span class="caps">PLATFORM</span> is something that the average voter can associate themselves with, with no problem. We and our party are a &#8220;breath of fresh air to them&#8221; that they can really relate to. No wonder the <span class="caps">AIP</span>/CP is growing by leaps and bounds!</p>
	<p>                 -Larry Breazeale, Msgt. (ret.) <span class="caps">USAFR</span><br />
                  <span class="caps">NATIONAL VETERANS COALITION</span><br />
                     Constitution party&#8230;www.nvets.org
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536308</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:53:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;as the leftwing radicals who call all CP members religious nuts.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I am not a &quot;leftwing&quot; radical, and I am here to tell you that CP members are most definitely religious nuts.</description>
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<blockquote>as the leftwing radicals who call all CP members religious nuts.</blockquote></p>
	<p>I am not a &#8220;leftwing&#8221; radical, and I am here to tell you that CP members are most definitely religious nuts.</p>
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		<title>by: Red Phillips</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536306</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:51:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536306</guid>
					<description>John, what the heck is &quot;tolerant?&quot; Does that require leaving your firmly held religious convictions at the door? It is supposed to mean getting along with people DESPITE known differences. Not pretending differences don't exist or that they are inconsequential when they are not.

Gary, I have been doing a little research on the Internet and I have seen the use of the term &quot;religious bigots&quot; or something similar several times. Even on official looking (I'm assuming they were official) CP statements. This is GROSSLY inappropriate. Reading between the lines, this obviously has something to do with the Christian vs. Mormon tensions in the Party. Is it “bigoted” for a Christian to believe that Mormonism is heretical? Mormons, as alleged recipients of a latter day revelation, obviously believe orthodox (small o) Christians to be in grave error. It is much more advantageous for the Mormons, as the traditional minority, to embrace the liberal concept of &quot;toleration&quot; and act aggrieved. It is possible for people who believe as the Christians and Mormons do to still work together in the same party, but labeling someone a &quot;bigot&quot; based on their religious beliefs is inappropriate for a Party that is supposed to respect faith.

Don't you think a lot of secularists think the CP platform is &quot;intolerant&quot; and &quot;bigoted&quot; because it acknowledges Jesus Christ? Why on earth do we want to play their game?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>John, what the heck is &#8220;tolerant?&#8221; Does that require leaving your firmly held religious convictions at the door? It is supposed to mean getting along with people <span class="caps">DESPITE</span> known differences. Not pretending differences don&#8217;t exist or that they are inconsequential when they are not.</p>
	<p>Gary, I have been doing a little research on the Internet and I have seen the use of the term &#8220;religious bigots&#8221; or something similar several times. Even on official looking (I&#8217;m assuming they were official) CP statements. This is <span class="caps">GROSSLY</span> inappropriate. Reading between the lines, this obviously has something to do with the Christian vs. Mormon tensions in the Party. Is it &#8220;bigoted&#8221; for a Christian to believe that Mormonism is heretical? Mormons, as alleged recipients of a latter day revelation, obviously believe orthodox (small o) Christians to be in grave error. It is much more advantageous for the Mormons, as the traditional minority, to embrace the liberal concept of &#8220;toleration&#8221; and act aggrieved. It is possible for people who believe as the Christians and Mormons do to still work together in the same party, but labeling someone a &#8220;bigot&#8221; based on their religious beliefs is inappropriate for a Party that is supposed to respect faith.</p>
	<p>Don&#8217;t you think a lot of secularists think the CP platform is &#8220;intolerant&#8221; and &#8220;bigoted&#8221; because it acknowledges Jesus Christ? Why on earth do we want to play their game?</p>
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		<title>by: johncjackson</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536296</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Mar 2008 14:20:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/13/james-antle-on-third-parties/#comment-536296</guid>
					<description>The &quot;radical left&quot; aren't the only people who aren't fans of intolerant religious extremists. It's a trait decent people of all political stripes share.

Your painting all tolerant people as leftwing radicals is just as &quot;alarmist&quot; as the leftwing radicals who call all CP members religious nuts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The &#8220;radical left&#8221; aren&#8217;t the only people who aren&#8217;t fans of intolerant religious extremists. It&#8217;s a trait decent people of all political stripes share.</p>
	<p>Your painting all tolerant people as leftwing radicals is just as &#8220;alarmist&#8221; as the leftwing radicals who call all CP members religious nuts.</p>
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