Comments on: Gravel to run as Libertarian http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/ Tue, 07 Oct 2008 16:09:28 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Dave Williams http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-551006 Sat, 29 Mar 2008 07:12:06 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-551006 "In one of the early debates, Mike Gravel said he was for English-only legislation." IT'S ABOUT FUCKING TIME... “In one of the early debates, Mike Gravel said he was for English-only legislation.”

IT’S ABOUT FUCKING TIME…

]]> by: Alex Peak http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-550763 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 22:33:13 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-550763 Mr. Capozzi writes, <blockquote>I know that Murray would not be pleased.</blockquote> I don't know why you say this. I would think that Dr. Rothbard, were he still alive today, would have been right with Rockwell in denouncing the "red-state fascists"; would have made a <i>permanent</i> break with the right; would have supported Dr. Paul during the race while acknowledging that Mr. Gravel was the best Democrat out there, and a valid alternative to the Obama/Clinton pit of sludge, as Rockwell had done; would be happy to see this best-Democrat-out-there give a metaphoric finger to the Democratic party by joining the Libertarian Party; and would have been, as I am, skeptical about Mr. Gravel's candidacy. This is just a guess, of course. Mr. Wartman writes, <blockquote>It’s 2008 or bust for Gravel. He’ll be far too old in 2012.</blockquote> Why does age matter? Because kids don't want to vote for old people? That can't be it, given that young people are the biggest supporters of people like Ralph Nader and Ron Paul, both of whom are thoroughly over the hill. Yours, Alex Peak Age 23 Mr. Capozzi writes,

I know that Murray would not be pleased.

I don’t know why you say this. I would think that Dr. Rothbard, were he still alive today, would have been right with Rockwell in denouncing the “red-state fascists”; would have made a permanent break with the right; would have supported Dr. Paul during the race while acknowledging that Mr. Gravel was the best Democrat out there, and a valid alternative to the Obama/Clinton pit of sludge, as Rockwell had done; would be happy to see this best-Democrat-out-there give a metaphoric finger to the Democratic party by joining the Libertarian Party; and would have been, as I am, skeptical about Mr. Gravel’s candidacy.

This is just a guess, of course.

Mr. Wartman writes,

It’s 2008 or bust for Gravel. He’ll be far too old in 2012.

Why does age matter? Because kids don’t want to vote for old people? That can’t be it, given that young people are the biggest supporters of people like Ralph Nader and Ron Paul, both of whom are thoroughly over the hill.

Yours,
Alex Peak
Age 23

]]> by: Freeman http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-550434 Fri, 28 Mar 2008 08:45:38 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-550434 In one of the early debates, Mike Gravel said he was for English-only legislation. In one of the early debates, Mike Gravel said he was for English-only legislation.

]]> by: Rob http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-550177 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 22:50:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-550177 Oh, Mike, Mike, Mike! What happened? What made you stoop to associating with the Libertarians!? You'd have been better off running as an independent, like Nader. Say it isn't so, Mike. You're too smart for this! Oh, Mike, Mike, Mike! What happened? What made you stoop to associating with the Libertarians!? You’d have been better off running as an independent, like Nader. Say it isn’t so, Mike. You’re too smart for this!

]]> by: Tannim http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-550045 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 19:50:03 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-550045 Gravel is too new to the LP to be its standard-bearer. He needs to grow into the party, and he's not there yet. He could be a great asset to the LP, especially in terms of the ins and outs of DC (as could Barr), but he's just not LP Prez fodder. Gravel is too new to the LP to be its standard-bearer. He needs to grow into the party, and he’s not there yet. He could be a great asset to the LP, especially in terms of the ins and outs of DC (as could Barr), but he’s just not LP Prez fodder.

]]> by: disinter http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549950 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 16:49:03 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549950 His issues page provides plenty of reasons, but surely the most compelling reason to reject Mike Gravel as a "libertarian" candidate is because he favors universal government pre-school and the even more ominous-sounding "parent education," whatever that may entail. Gravel is great on foreign policy, but a war on American parents and children is at least as bad as a war on Iraqis. http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020214.html His issues page provides plenty of reasons, but surely the most compelling reason to reject Mike Gravel as a “libertarian” candidate is because he favors universal government pre-school and the even more ominous-sounding “parent education,” whatever that may entail.

Gravel is great on foreign policy, but a war on American parents and children is at least as bad as a war on Iraqis.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020214.html

]]> by: Kevin Zeese http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549874 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 13:35:43 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549874 There are 14 people running for the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, almost all are peace candidates. I know some of them -- and they are good people -- but none of them will be able to run a national campaign that gets much media attention as they will not have the money or celebrity to do so. That could be changing! Former Senator Mike Gravel announced that he has joined the Libertarian Party and now there is a talk of a ticket that includes Gravel and former congressman Bob Barr, see below. That ticket -- bringing together a former Democrat and former Republican could be a great addition to the political landscape. Gravel is consistent with Libertarian thinking on the war and military intervention, the drug war, opposition to gun control and his advocacy for ending the income tax, replacing it with a national sales tax known as the Fair Tax. He also favors more direct democracy with a national voter initiative. I don't think he is as long a shot as the article below says, but he needs to get moving quickly if he wants the nomination. Gravel has gotten more media attention than all the other 14 combined by just registering Libertarian! See http://www2.nysun.com/article/73744 During the course of a campaign he would definitely bring more attention to the LP than any other candidate. There are 14 people running for the presidential nomination of the Libertarian Party, almost all are peace candidates. I know some of them—and they are good people—but none of them will be able to run a national campaign that gets much media attention as they will not have the money or celebrity to do so. That could be changing!

Former Senator Mike Gravel announced that he has joined the Libertarian Party and now there is a talk of a ticket that includes Gravel and former congressman Bob Barr, see below. That ticket—bringing together a former Democrat and former Republican could be a great addition to the political landscape. Gravel is consistent with Libertarian thinking on the war and military intervention, the drug war, opposition to gun control and his advocacy for ending the income tax, replacing it with a national sales tax known as the Fair Tax. He also favors more direct democracy with a national voter initiative. I don’t think he is as long a shot as the article below says, but he needs to get moving quickly if he wants the nomination.

Gravel has gotten more media attention than all the other 14 combined by just registering Libertarian! See http://www2.nysun.com/article/73744 During the course of a campaign he would definitely bring more attention to the LP than any other candidate.

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549773 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:56:08 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549773 Zeleni, I have no objection to that...What for? Zeleni, I have no objection to that…What for?

]]> by: Freeman http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549761 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 07:48:01 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549761 Bob Barr has been in the Libertarian Party, and very actively so, for some while now. This builds trust. Mike Gravel joins... when?yesterday? and sez he's gonna run for prez? Of course, merely joining the party is more than Nader ever did for the Greens, but still. Bob Barr has been in the Libertarian Party, and very actively so, for some while now. This builds trust.

Mike Gravel joins… when?yesterday? and sez he’s gonna run for prez?
Of course, merely joining the party is more than Nader ever did for the Greens, but still.

]]> by: Zeleni http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549699 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 06:29:07 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549699 Milnes, have you considered exhuming the corpse of Teddy Roosevelt? Milnes, have you considered exhuming the corpse of Teddy Roosevelt?

]]> by: Robert Milnes http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549617 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 04:29:51 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549617 Jerry S., of course I do not advocate those tax numbers. As I recall there was some sort of problem with the questionairre which I brought to the attention to the website operators &#38; filled it out anyway. The entire questionairre was flawed anyway. Jerry S., of course I do not advocate those tax numbers. As I recall there was some sort of problem with the questionairre which I brought to the attention to the website operators & filled it out anyway. The entire questionairre was flawed anyway.

]]> by: Andy http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549578 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 03:56:50 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549578 "If, by 2012, he has changed his stance on such issues as healthcare, social security, and minimum wage, he should run for president as a Libertarian." I don't know what kind of health Gravel is in, but by 2012 he'll be in his '80s. That's pretty old for running for President. “If, by 2012, he has changed his stance on such issues as healthcare, social security, and minimum wage, he should run for president as a Libertarian.”

I don’t know what kind of health Gravel is in, but by 2012 he’ll be in his ‘80s. That’s pretty old for running for President.

]]> by: Bill Wood http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549546 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 02:05:16 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549546 I'm happy Gravel has joined the LP. Interesting to note talking about Dr. Ruwart and Wayne Allyn Roots possible attendance at the LP of Va. Convention to friends and co-workers. Non political friends have never heard of any of the LP Candidates except for Wayne Allyn Root and some LP members were planning on skipping the Convention, but now they want to attend to meet Wayne. I’m happy Gravel has joined the LP. Interesting to note talking about Dr. Ruwart and Wayne Allyn Roots possible attendance at the LP of Va. Convention to friends and co-workers. Non political friends have never heard of any of the LP Candidates except for Wayne Allyn Root and some LP members were planning on skipping the Convention, but now they want to attend to meet Wayne.

]]> by: Jerry S. http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549541 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:49:42 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549541 The best possible result of this for the LP would be 10-20,000 new dues paying LP members. 250 to $ 500,000 of much needed funds. All LP members should reach out to Gravel supporters to join NOW, not wait until later but how. A Special Message from the Libertarian National Committee To YOU http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUUcLOquil0&#38;eurl=http://www.thirdpartywatch.com/ History of the Libertarian Party http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQRzXd1UvQ&#38;feature=user Illinois Petitioning Frequently Asked Questions *Libertarian <a></a> The best possible result of this for the LP would be 10-20,000 new dues paying LP members. 250 to $ 500,000 of much needed funds. All LP members should reach out to Gravel supporters to join NOW, not wait until later but how.

A Special Message from the Libertarian National Committee To YOU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUUcLOquil0&eurl=http://www.thirdpartywatch.com/

History of the Libertarian Party
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYQRzXd1UvQ&feature=user

Illinois Petitioning Frequently Asked Questions *Libertarian

]]> by: Jerry S. http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549533 Thu, 27 Mar 2008 01:28:57 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/03/26/gravel-to-run-as-libertarian/#comment-549533 As I stated in another thread: For all you who want Gravel to hang around and be indoctrinated, well the man is 77y10m old, who will volunteer to push his wheelchair and hold his drool cloth in 2012 ? (you would earn more doing it for MCCain) It’s now or never, Gravel’s joining the LP for the nomination THIS year. I too feel when he loses the nomination he will be gone whether officially or not. As for you who do care where candidates stand on the issues do bookmark this site: http://www.votesmart.org/election_president_search.php?type=alpha See Issue Positions (Political Courage Test) on most all the candidates. you can spend time in there and understand a lot more about these egos. Don’t know Gravel’s views, read’em (&#38; weep?) See Issue Positions (Political Courage Test) http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=69496 One point of interest to all you who are regulars on here, the last I heard there are over 5,000 candidates for POTUS. You will need to search long and perhaps not find but one with this policy : 3) Taxes Indicate what federal tax levels (#1-6) you support for the following general categories. Select one number per tax, you can use a number more than once. Family Income Taxes Slightly Increase a) Less than $12,000 Maintain Status b) $12,001-$40,000 Maintain Status c) $40,001-$100,000 Maintain Status d) $100,001-$180,000 Maintain Status e) $180,001-$350,000 Slightly Decrease f) $350,001 and above YES you read that correctly. A tax policy of SOAK the poor and, in some cases truly, helpless among us even more, give breaks to the richest, elitist and most powerful of society and keep everyone else under the thumb of big government at the current level. Now who, which candidate could possibly have this as part of their "rather overall socialist" platform ? A platform like NO OTHER in history-lol. Ranking them 14-17 as the abosolute worse libertarians in a 16-17 LP candidate field. See Issue Positions (Political Courage Test) at http://www.votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=80134 Now how many of you guessed, ? Well MILNES of course... lol-think how many of you have spent valuable moments of your lives reading his posts...Is his platform GREEN ? His platform IS, what HAS to be, a party of ONE... Nothing personal, but you are in a public arena now, "Boobbie" er "Bobbie" As I stated in another thread: For all you who want Gravel to hang around and be indoctrinated, well the man is 77y10m old, who will volunteer to push his wheelchair and hold his drool cloth in 2012 ? (you would earn more doing it for MCCain)

It’s now or never, Gravel’s joining the LP for the nomination THIS year.

I too feel when he loses the nomination he will be gone whether officially or not.

As for you who do care where candidates stand on the issues do bookmark this site:

http://www.votesmart.org/election_president_search.php?type=alpha
See Issue Positions (Political Courage Test) on most all the candidates.
you can spend time in there and understand a lot more about these egos.

Don’t know Gravel’s views, read’em (& weep?)
See Issue Positions (Political Courage Test)
http://www.votesmart.org/bio.php?can_id=69496

One point of interest to all you who are regulars on here, the last I heard there are over 5,000 candidates for POTUS. You will need to search long and perhaps not find but one with this policy :

3) Taxes
Indicate what federal tax levels (#1-6) you support for the following general categories. Select one number per tax, you can use a number more than once.

Family Income Taxes

Slightly Increase a) Less than $12,000
Maintain Status b) $12,001-$40,000
Maintain Status c) $40,001-$100,000
Maintain Status d) $100,001-$180,000
Maintain Status e) $180,001-$350,000
Slightly Decrease f) $350,001 and above

YES you read that correctly. A tax policy of SOAK the poor and, in some cases truly, helpless among us even more, give breaks to the richest, elitist and most powerful of society and keep everyone else under the thumb of big government at the current level.

Now who, which candidate could possibly have this as part of their “rather overall socialist” platform ? A platform like NO OTHER in history-lol. Ranking them 14-17 as the abosolute worse libertarians in a 16-17 LP candidate field.

See Issue Positions (Political Courage Test) at
http://www.votesmart.org/npat.php?can_id=80134

Now how many of you guessed, ?

Well MILNES of course…

lol-think how many of you have spent valuable moments of your lives reading his posts…Is his platform GREEN ?
His platform IS, what HAS to be, a party of ONE…

Nothing personal, but you are in a public arena now, “Boobbie” er “Bobbie”

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