Comments on: Two-party choke hold prohibits true democracy http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/ Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:38:20 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Daniel Ong http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566895 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:34:53 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566895 While verifiable voting will help prevent voting fraud and increase voter confidence, the main problem facing third parties is the voting system used, or the mathematical method used to count votes and determine winners (Richard Winger at Ballot Access News does a fine job covering the ballot access angle). Our current plurality voting system (vote for only one and then shut up) is very subject to the spoiler candidate problem--most voters won't vote for a third party if they think the candidate can't win, so they will vote for one of the two major party candidates so they won't be "wasting" their vote. Instant Runoff Voting (IRV), a ranked voting system also subject to Arrow's Impossibility theorem (no ranked voting system is perfect) and being implemented and considered in many localities and states, including Colorado, largely eliminates the spoiler problem if there are only two major parties but still leads to two-party domination. Many alternative parties in Australia are opposed to the continued use of IRV. See Duverger's Law, linked at my name. Range Voting, or score or rate all candidates with the highest average winning, is the only voting system which will not reduce the impact of third parties, and is projected to even help them when they are small. It is the most expressive voting system and also happens to be the best voting system using computer simulation to determine "Bayesian Regret" or statistical divergence from optimal voting. Incidentally, I was an election judge (and supply judge, the chief election judge at a precinct) for a decade and a half, before becoming a candidate, as a registered Libertarian in Colorado. This was with punched ballots and before recent implementation of electronic voting machines and paper ballots with optical scan counting. While verifiable voting will help prevent voting fraud and increase voter confidence, the main problem facing third parties is the voting system used, or the mathematical method used to count votes and determine winners (Richard Winger at Ballot Access News does a fine job covering the ballot access angle).

Our current plurality voting system (vote for only one and then shut up) is very subject to the spoiler candidate problem—most voters won’t vote for a third party if they think the candidate can’t win, so they will vote for one of the two major party candidates so they won’t be “wasting” their vote.

Instant Runoff Voting (IRV), a ranked voting system also subject to Arrow’s Impossibility theorem (no ranked voting system is perfect) and being implemented and considered in many localities and states, including Colorado, largely eliminates the spoiler problem if there are only two major parties but still leads to two-party domination. Many alternative parties in Australia are opposed to the continued use of IRV. See Duverger’s Law, linked at my name.

Range Voting, or score or rate all candidates with the highest average winning, is the only voting system which will not reduce the impact of third parties, and is projected to even help them when they are small. It is the most expressive voting system and also happens to be the best voting system using computer simulation to determine “Bayesian Regret” or statistical divergence from optimal voting.

Incidentally, I was an election judge (and supply judge, the chief election judge at a precinct) for a decade and a half, before becoming a candidate, as a registered Libertarian in Colorado. This was with punched ballots and before recent implementation of electronic voting machines and paper ballots with optical scan counting.

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by: Dave Williams http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566884 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 04:22:53 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566884 Enema first Joe, enema first....hahahahaha Enema first Joe, enema first….hahahahaha

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by: Joseph Marzullo http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566848 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 03:53:46 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566848 What Maryland needs is the Libertarian party. Let's start to repeal the stupid laws and let's bring back some fiscal sanity. What Maryland needs is the Libertarian party. Let’s start to repeal the stupid laws and let’s bring back some fiscal sanity.

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by: Dave Williams http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566566 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 00:15:13 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566566 Maryland & the District just plain suck ass. Crooked asshole cops, gun bans, tax payer funded stadiums, that guy that smoked crack while getting a BJ from a 'K' street hooker...what was his name , oh yeah, Marion Barry...(Went to the penn, got out, was re-elected over & over again....what a fucking disgrace to have the Mayor of the nations capitol embarrass the shit outta the citizens of this country.) "Maryland needs to end one-party rule, open up its democracy, remove prejudice against alternative parties and allow more participation and new ideas." No, Maryland needs a fucking enema. Maryland & the District just plain suck ass. Crooked asshole cops, gun bans, tax payer funded stadiums, that guy that smoked crack while getting a BJ from a ‘K’ street hooker…what was his name , oh yeah, Marion Barry…(Went to the penn, got out, was re-elected over & over again….what a fucking disgrace to have the Mayor of the nations capitol embarrass the shit outta the citizens of this country.)

“Maryland needs to end one-party rule, open up its democracy, remove prejudice against alternative parties and allow more participation and new ideas.”

No, Maryland needs a fucking enema.

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by: disinter http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566074 Mon, 14 Apr 2008 19:54:30 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/14/two-party-choke-hold-prohibits-true-democracy/#comment-566074 Democracy Is Not Freedom http://www.democracyisnotfreedom.com/ Democracy Is Not Freedom

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