BLUE: Live in fantasy world where there is zero tax, where unexpected medical outcomes don’t bankrupt people, and where you don’t need to pay for cops or firemen because you have a gun and a garden hose. Where one day the country is pathetically corrupt, and the next day it is perfectly Libertarian.

RED: Live in the real world, with a fair tax that is at least equally enforced and avoidable, a medical safety net, and a few essential public services. Use the National Initiative to get rid of all the other programs you don’t like, and to give rights back to the states and citizens. Evolve the country into Libertarianism over time.

Dreaming about it won’t make it happen, son.

I guess this is why you remain unknown with the initials GE. Why can’t you just argue the points of the subject rather than spit venom about people you do not even know?

Thank you drifter for enlightening those interested about the mechanisms of the FairTax (states already collecting taxes). And the cost to our economy now is appx. $300 Billion a year just in compliance to the maddening 10,000 pages of tax code.

To add one last point, only new goods will be taxed. The second time sold – homes, cars etc. would not be taxed. And without layers of corporate taxes, the production costs will be substantially reduced keeping retail prices at about the same level with the tax built in. Consumers keeping 100% of their paycheck and collecting from those engaged in black market or off the books income will even out the fairness of this tax.

Finally with consumers seeing what they pay at every transaction – instead of the withholding trick that was only supposed to fight off Hitler in 1941 – their will be more impetus to cut government spending.

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Gravel just doesn’t get the big picture.

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Not that I disagree with eliminating the IRS, it’s just that one needs some context when reading Gravel.

now you say – 2. This is a bad thing? I don’t think so.

You are right – I do not think it is bad to pay less taxes, but our country currently spends the money. As someone that follows the law, you pay for those that do not. That is a fact. We all talk about the government stealing our money, but the fact is that extra tax we pay for those that don’t, means they are stealing from you as well.

I also do not believe it makes every small business a new privatized IRS agents. THe fact is that all small businesses in all but like 2 states already collect a sales taxes. They already do this and have the systems in place. The only way yhou would be saving these small businesses work is to get rid of all sales tax. But the fact is all the governments need money from somewhere.

“3. Personal savings would be encouraged by abolishing fiat currency. No one is ever going to be smart to save when the interest they can earn is in competition with a cartel that can create the money out of thin air, and thus charge lower interest rates (and cause price inflation, eroding the value of the money “saved”).” – Well I do not think that is the case – maybe for idiots that put money in a savings account, but real savings in assets over time will always keep place with inflation. So it really is a savings then regardless of if the government devalues the dollar

2. This is a bad thing? I don’t think so.

3. Personal savings would be encouraged by abolishing fiat currency. No one is ever going to be smart to save when the interest they can earn is in competition with a cartel that can create the money out of thin air, and thus charge lower interest rates (and cause price inflation, eroding the value of the money “saved”).

It IS a new tax. Don’t lie. There IS no way to prevent the implementation of an income tax on top of the sales tax, barring a constitutional amendment—and if we go that far, why not go for the ideal (like Root’s plan)? And it is not reducing government, nor does it promise to. Instead, it conscripts every business owner and service provider into the newly “privatized” IRS.

Anyone who supports this plan is not only a government-loving aggressor, but an idiot, too. The plan is so abundantly flawed, that it boggles the mind to think that there are actually grown men (and maybe women) who are this dumb.

Okay, the kid mows your lawn for $40. Does he have to collect the 30% sales tax and send it to the government? A 14-year-old kid? If not, then what about the lawn business he’s directly competing with?

The FraudTax is a welfare redistribution scheme built on top of a social-engineering plan designed to produce a hand-me-down culture of used goods and black markets.

I think anyone who supports it should be euthanized, or at the very least, sterilized, to prevent the spread of their stupidity through the gene pool.

1. – it would effectively eliminate the IRS and save us about $40B a year to run it.

2. It would almost eliminate uncollected taxes. – Instead of chasing people down, you collect at point of sale – you get the tax, or they do not get the item. SIMPLE - About $300B a year.

3. This would encourage personal savings which is something we desperately need in this country – especially with the SS crisis coming.

So it is not really a “NEW” tax as much as making a tax managable and a net change of about $340B a year – that is money that we can cut from taxes, – oh about $3,500 in tax savings for every household every year.

That sounds like a start to me. And cutting taxes and reducing government sounds very LP to me?

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