Comments on: Independent congressional candidate crosses ballot access threshold http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:03:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Ross http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-587236 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 23:17:36 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-587236 How do you know who to trust? If there are no requirements on information (at least), how do you know who's trustworthy or what the products are made of? How do you know who to trust? If there are no requirements on information (at least), how do you know who’s trustworthy or what the products are made of?

]]> by: Libertarian Joseph http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585742 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 02:26:58 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585742 Then buy products from suppliers that you trust. Then buy products from suppliers that you trust.

]]> by: Ross http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585627 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:50:32 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585627 What I mean is protection from things like what Jenny C. was saying - toxic toys, for example. What I mean is protection from things like what Jenny C. was saying – toxic toys, for example.

]]> by: Libertarian Joseph http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585600 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 00:29:39 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585600 What we need is protection from the government! What we need is protection from the government!

]]> by: Ross http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585546 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 23:39:40 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585546 I understand that, and that's why I'm in favor of smart regulation that protects people and smart government programs that protect citizens, and that is how Johyn Murphy appears. That's what I was saying. I understand that, and that’s why I’m in favor of smart regulation that protects people and smart government programs that protect citizens, and that is how Johyn Murphy appears. That’s what I was saying.

]]> by: Libertarian Joseph http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585015 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:08:56 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585015 let me rephrase: corporate status is of government's doing. companies had no rights before government gave it to them. let me rephrase: corporate status is of government’s doing. companies had no rights before government gave it to them.

]]> by: Libertarian Joseph http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585014 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 18:08:01 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-585014 If you're anti-corporatist, then wouldn't you just merely favor getting rid of the government created concept of corporations? Look up the word that you don't know anything about. Government CREATED corporations. Corporations are works of government regulation. If you’re anti-corporatist, then wouldn’t you just merely favor getting rid of the government created concept of corporations? Look up the word that you don’t know anything about. Government CREATED corporations. Corporations are works of government regulation.

]]> by: Ross http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584513 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:31:51 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584513 To all of you who called this man "socialist" in some condescending way, or did anything like that or thought anything like that about him - Please, grow up. First of all, this man is not a socialist. Like Jenny C. said, he is an anti-corporatist, which is a pretty libertarian view in and of itself. Of course, he's not a strict libertarian as the word is thought of today, but maybe more of a Jefforsonian libertarian, who thinks that the government should provide some basic things to its citizens, then butt out. Maybe I'm wrong, but that's just the impression that I get. Either way, in a big way it doesn't matter. This guy is an independent with a good chance of winning a significant seat. Shouldn't we be helping him to fight the duopoly? And wouldn't that just be helping ourselves? All of us in third parties and independents cannot afford to participate in this divisive, destructive bickering. It only works to tear us apart and it works against build a strong third party/independent coalition that is needed to challenge the corporate parties. To all of you who called this man “socialist” in some condescending way, or did anything like that or thought anything like that about him –
Please, grow up. First of all, this man is not a socialist. Like Jenny C. said, he is an anti-corporatist, which is a pretty libertarian view in and of itself. Of course, he’s not a strict libertarian as the word is thought of today, but maybe more of a Jefforsonian libertarian, who thinks that the government should provide some basic things to its citizens, then butt out. Maybe I’m wrong, but that’s just the impression that I get.

Either way, in a big way it doesn’t matter. This guy is an independent with a good chance of winning a significant seat. Shouldn’t we be helping him to fight the duopoly? And wouldn’t that just be helping ourselves?

All of us in third parties and independents cannot afford to participate in this divisive, destructive bickering. It only works to tear us apart and it works against build a strong third party/independent coalition that is needed to challenge the corporate parties.

]]> by: Reform Party Member http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584488 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:50:38 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584488 Don Lake, California: He has always been decent to me [us: Citizens For A Better Veterans Home]! This has been over a period of years! Oh well! Don Lake, California: He has always been decent to me [us: Citizens For A Better Veterans Home]! This has been over a period of years! Oh well!

]]> by: Peter M. http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584287 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:56:11 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584287 I have to sympathise with Zeleni on John Murphy's behaviour. The Socialist Party of Pennsylvania was considering endorsing him (and did work with him a little bit despite not endorsing), and if his mannerisms over e-mail translate at all to his mannerisms in real life, he wouldn't be a particularly pleasant person. Personally, I see him similarly to how I see Ralph Nader, brings up some good points, especially when it comes to ballot access, but seems to be mainly in this for himself, and not to build any sort of significant third party effort. I have to sympathise with Zeleni on John Murphy’s behaviour. The Socialist Party of Pennsylvania was considering endorsing him (and did work with him a little bit despite not endorsing), and if his mannerisms over e-mail translate at all to his mannerisms in real life, he wouldn’t be a particularly pleasant person. Personally, I see him similarly to how I see Ralph Nader, brings up some good points, especially when it comes to ballot access, but seems to be mainly in this for himself, and not to build any sort of significant third party effort.

]]> by: Ross http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584224 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:03:27 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584224 Okay, I'm supporting this guy all the way. I've seen enough in that short of a time to know I like him. Okay, I’m supporting this guy all the way. I’ve seen enough in that short of a time to know I like him.

]]> by: Ross http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584221 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 02:01:13 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584221 I'm in Pennsylvania and I am going to do everything I can to help John Murphy. Once I check his policies out. And the competing Democrat. And Republican. But I'm in PA near John Murphy, so it looks good. I’m in Pennsylvania and I am going to do everything I can to help John Murphy. Once I check his policies out. And the competing Democrat. And Republican.

But I’m in PA near John Murphy, so it looks good.

]]> by: Catholic Trotskyist http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584141 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:36:48 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584141 Stefan and others, I am glad that you are moving towards the Fringe Alliance strategy, but ballot access is not important because it will never win elections anyway. Only bold and disruptive protests in order to amend the constitution to abolish the electoral college, institute majority runoff systems for executive elections and proportional representation for legislative elections, only that will institute the Fringe Alliance strategy. All third parties, as well as independents, centrists, Kucinich/Gravel Democrats and Ron Paul Republicans, must participate. However, the fascist/stalinist criminal Ralph Nader will never participate, as he is in league with teh Hillary Clinton anti-socialist wing of the Democratic Party, which is in league with Bush against the Glorious Obama Christian socialist wing of the Democratic Party. I applaud all measures that need to be taken to get the fascist/stalinist Naderite minnions off tthe ballot. What we really need here is a Cindy Sheehan supporter. She is smart and worthy of support because she is running in such a Democratic district that a Republican can't win, so votes for her won't be spoilers. I hope that Sheehan does defeat Pelosi, because Pelosi has not endorsed the Christian socialist program of Revolutionary General Barack H. Obama. Stefan and others, I am glad that you are moving towards the Fringe Alliance strategy, but ballot access is not important because it will never win elections anyway. Only bold and disruptive protests in order to amend the constitution to abolish the electoral college, institute majority runoff systems for executive elections and proportional representation for legislative elections, only that will institute the Fringe Alliance strategy. All third parties, as well as independents, centrists, Kucinich/Gravel Democrats and Ron Paul Republicans, must participate. However, the fascist/stalinist criminal Ralph Nader will never participate, as he is in league with teh Hillary Clinton anti-socialist wing of the Democratic Party, which is in league with Bush against the Glorious Obama Christian socialist wing of the Democratic Party. I applaud all measures that need to be taken to get the fascist/stalinist Naderite minnions off tthe ballot. What we really need here is a Cindy Sheehan supporter. She is smart and worthy of support because she is running in such a Democratic district that a Republican can’t win, so votes for her won’t be spoilers. I hope that Sheehan does defeat Pelosi, because Pelosi has not endorsed the Christian socialist program of Revolutionary General Barack H. Obama.

]]> by: Zeleni http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584120 Tue, 29 Apr 2008 00:11:52 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584120 I served on the Green National Committee along with John Murphy and found him to be extremely vile and disruptive. I would stop reading ThirdPartyWatch if he started contributing. I served on the Green National Committee along with John Murphy and found him to be extremely vile and disruptive. I would stop reading ThirdPartyWatch if he started contributing.

]]> by: Joseph Marzullo http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584098 Mon, 28 Apr 2008 23:53:46 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/28/independent-congressional-candidate-crosses-ballot-access-threshold/#comment-584098 anti-corporation? Government created the concept of corporations, so how can he be against that? hm. Just stop recognizing corporations. anti-corporation? Government created the concept of corporations, so how can he be against that? hm. Just stop recognizing corporations.

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