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		<title>by: Scott Frost</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-588275</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 14:35:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>David Nolan -- Thanks for the update on Barry Hess!  

I agree that he would be a great keynote speaker.  Somehow I just don't see the Republicans allowing one of our members to be their keynote speaker.  Even Ron Paul is struggling to get a speaking spot at the Republican convention.  This is an odd situation.  I hope we can remedy it while there's still time.  

I also hope that C-SPAN covers the convention at greater length than it did four years ago.  If I remember correctly, they only covered the nomination and largely ignored the floor business and speeches.  Maybe it wouldn't hurt for us to politely contact C-SPAN, too.  

I'm starting to become confused as to what is going on at the national level, between the mysterious decision to make Mr. Viguerie the keynote speaker and the LP press release calling on an unconstitutional federal government agency to protect our children.  This is all very odd.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>David Nolan&#8212;Thanks for the update on Barry Hess!</p>
	<p>I agree that he would be a great keynote speaker.  Somehow I just don&#8217;t see the Republicans allowing one of our members to be their keynote speaker.  Even Ron Paul is struggling to get a speaking spot at the Republican convention.  This is an odd situation.  I hope we can remedy it while there&#8217;s still time.</p>
	<p>I also hope that C-SPAN covers the convention at greater length than it did four years ago.  If I remember correctly, they only covered the nomination and largely ignored the floor business and speeches.  Maybe it wouldn&#8217;t hurt for us to politely contact C-SPAN, too.</p>
	<p>I&#8217;m starting to become confused as to what is going on at the national level, between the mysterious decision to make Mr. Viguerie the keynote speaker and the LP press release calling on an unconstitutional federal government agency to protect our children.  This is all very odd.</p>
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		<title>by: Susan Hogarth</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-588182</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 13:12:14 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&lt;i&gt;Now Mr. Viguerie is undoubtedly worth listening to. He is, after all, the world’s leading expert on direct mail fundraising. But shouldn’t the keynote speaker at the Libertarian Party be a LIBERTARIAN?&lt;/i&gt;

I agree, and found this info to be extremely distressing. The idea of a keynote is that it sets the tone for the convention.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynote

&quot;At political or industrial conventions and expositions and at academic conferences, the keynote address or keynote speech is delivered to set the underlying tone and summarize the core message or most important revelation of the event.&quot;

If the 'tone' of our convention is Viguerie, it will be conservativism rather than libertarianism:

His website:

http://conservativehq.com/home

If he wants to give a fundraising seminar, great. But NOT a keynote speech. Besides the debate and post-nom candidate speech, the Keynote is the address most likely to be picked up and quoted by the press. Ouch.

I echo David Nolan's call to LPers to *call* Bill Redpath - and your LNC rep - and BEG them to have a *Libertarian*  - not a *Republican Conservative* - set the tone at the Libertarian Party Convention.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><i>Now Mr. Viguerie is undoubtedly worth listening to. He is, after all, the world&#8217;s leading expert on direct mail fundraising. But shouldn&#8217;t the keynote speaker at the Libertarian Party be a <span class="caps">LIBERTARIAN</span>?</i></p>
	<p>I agree, and found this info to be extremely distressing. The idea of a keynote is that it sets the tone for the convention.</p>
	<p><a href='http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynote' rel='nofollow'>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keynote</a></p>
	<p>&#8220;At political or industrial conventions and expositions and at academic conferences, the keynote address or keynote speech is delivered to set the underlying tone and summarize the core message or most important revelation of the event.&#8221;</p>
	<p>If the &#8216;tone&#8217; of our convention is Viguerie, it will be conservativism rather than libertarianism:</p>
	<p>His website:</p>
	<p><a href='http://conservativehq.com/home' rel='nofollow'>http://conservativehq.com/home</a></p>
	<p>If he wants to give a fundraising seminar, great. But <span class="caps">NOT</span> a keynote speech. Besides the debate and post-nom candidate speech, the Keynote is the address most likely to be picked up and quoted by the press. Ouch.</p>
	<p>I echo David Nolan&#8217;s call to LPers to <strong>call</strong> Bill Redpath &#8211; and your <span class="caps">LNC</span> rep &#8211; and <span class="caps">BEG</span> them to have a <strong>Libertarian</strong>  &#8211; not a <strong>Republican Conservative</strong> &#8211; set the tone at the Libertarian Party Convention.</p>
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		<title>by: David F. Nolan</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587620</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:55:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Scott Frost asked &quot;Does anybody know what’s up with Barry Hess? He is a long time activist and I was quite impressed when I saw him debating in the Arizona gubernatorial race, but he doesn’t even have a web site. Is he really in the race?&quot;

I spoke with Barry yesterday, and he has officially dropped out because he wants a speaking slot at the national convention, and the convention organizers have stated that candidates cannot be speakers, as it would give those who got speaking slots an unfair advantage. Reasonable enough.

I suggested that Barry would make an excellent keynote speaker, since Barr is now ineligible.  However, it seems that &quot;someone&quot; (nobody will say who, but it's not Bill Redpath, the National Chair) has told Bette Rose Ryan that Richard Viguerie (a non-libertarian) is the new designated keynoter. She has been given no choice in the matter.

Now Mr. Viguerie is undoubtedly worth listening to. He is, after all, the world's leading expert on direct mail fundraising. But shouldn't the keynote speaker at the Libertarian Party be a LIBERTARIAN? And who was given the authority to dictate that a NON-LIBERTARIAN be the keynoter?  

Kinda strange, no?  If anyone else thinks this is all very fishy, I invite them to telephone Mr. Redpath and ask him who's in charge of the LP these days, since apparently it isn't him.  His phone number is 703-864-2312.    While you're on the line, you might make the point that the keynote speaker at the national convention should be an actual member of the Libertarian Party -- preferably someone like Barry Hess, who has actually run for office as a Libertarian.

Just a thought.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Scott Frost asked &#8220;Does anybody know what&#8217;s up with Barry Hess? He is a long time activist and I was quite impressed when I saw him debating in the Arizona gubernatorial race, but he doesn&#8217;t even have a web site. Is he really in the race?&#8221;</p>
	<p>I spoke with Barry yesterday, and he has officially dropped out because he wants a speaking slot at the national convention, and the convention organizers have stated that candidates cannot be speakers, as it would give those who got speaking slots an unfair advantage. Reasonable enough.</p>
	<p>I suggested that Barry would make an excellent keynote speaker, since Barr is now ineligible.  However, it seems that &#8220;someone&#8221; (nobody will say who, but it&#8217;s not Bill Redpath, the National Chair) has told Bette Rose Ryan that Richard Viguerie (a non-libertarian) is the new designated keynoter. She has been given no choice in the matter.</p>
	<p>Now Mr. Viguerie is undoubtedly worth listening to. He is, after all, the world&#8217;s leading expert on direct mail fundraising. But shouldn&#8217;t the keynote speaker at the Libertarian Party be a <span class="caps">LIBERTARIAN</span>? And who was given the authority to dictate that a <span class="caps">NON</span>-LIBERTARIAN be the keynoter?</p>
	<p>Kinda strange, no?  If anyone else thinks this is all very fishy, I invite them to telephone Mr. Redpath and ask him who&#8217;s in charge of the LP these days, since apparently it isn&#8217;t him.  His phone number is 703-864-2312.    While you&#8217;re on the line, you might make the point that the keynote speaker at the national convention should be an actual member of the Libertarian Party&#8212;preferably someone like Barry Hess, who has actually run for office as a Libertarian.</p>
	<p>Just a thought.</p>
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		<title>by: Steve LaBianca</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587607</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:43:32 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I will ALSO say that I give credit to Barr for working hard to help build the LP.  

He should wait to run for president though, IMO.

W.A.R. on the other hand should first apologize to the LP membership for trying to pull the wool over their eyes, pretending to be a libertarian.  He ought to then drop out of the contest, and study libertarianism, free market economics, libertarian theory, and fully understand Harry Browne's &quot;Why Government Doesn't Work&quot;, along with other fine works of Browne and others.  He should get involved in his local and state party;  run a campaign for something local.

Nestled in there, he ought to apologize to Mary Ruwart.  He and his campaign (especially that bonehead Mark Schreiber) ought to study her writings, instead of simply trying to draw tortured conclusions.  

These guys want to help the LP?  First become a libertarian . . . that would be a good start!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I will <span class="caps">ALSO</span> say that I give credit to Barr for working hard to help build the LP.</p>
	<p>He should wait to run for president though, <span class="caps">IMO</span>.</p>
	<p>W.A.R. on the other hand should first apologize to the LP membership for trying to pull the wool over their eyes, pretending to be a libertarian.  He ought to then drop out of the contest, and study libertarianism, free market economics, libertarian theory, and fully understand Harry Browne&#8217;s &#8220;Why Government Doesn&#8217;t Work&#8221;, along with other fine works of Browne and others.  He should get involved in his local and state party;  run a campaign for something local.</p>
	<p>Nestled in there, he ought to apologize to Mary Ruwart.  He and his campaign (especially that bonehead Mark Schreiber) ought to study her writings, instead of simply trying to draw tortured conclusions.</p>
	<p>These guys want to help the LP?  First become a libertarian . . . that would be a good start!</p>
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		<title>by: Steve LaBianca</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587592</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:31:55 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I will say, though I am not sure, but Capozzi might have had a brief involvement with the LP in the early 80's, so that might make it maybe 6 years between the three of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I will say, though I am not sure, but Capozzi might have had a brief involvement with the LP in the early 80&#8217;s, so that might make it maybe 6 years between the three of them.</p>
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		<title>by: Steve LaBianca</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587586</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 03:27:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Of course Robert Capozzi, a johnny-come-lately (to the LP) in his own right feels right at home with LRC favorites Barr and W.A.R. Between the three of them they have a total of 5 years experience in the Libertarian Party.

So just like W.A.R. and Barr, who jump into the LP going straight for the top, Capozzi goes straight to the national LP, &amp;#38; platform committee, and yet nobody has ever heard a peep out of him in the LPVa, or any of the Northern Virginia county organizations.   Ron Paul led a grassroots movement . . . Capozzi believes in top down I guess . . . good strategy Bob.  What other gems do you have for us?

Three's company  . . . too!

&quot;It’s way worse in my book that any issue that Barr or Root has espoused.&quot;

Barr's vote for the Patriot Act, DOMA, desire for intervention in South America,etc . . . W.A.R. support for Lieberman, McCain, war on terror, middle east interventionism, etc . . . these are all better than Ruwart, who believes that the lack of efficacy of laws should not trumps people, families, and individuals deciding for themselves.  Very libertarian, Bob.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Of course Robert Capozzi, a johnny-come-lately (to the LP) in his own right feels right at home with <span class="caps">LRC</span> favorites Barr and W.A.R. Between the three of them they have a total of 5 years experience in the Libertarian Party.</p>
	<p>So just like W.A.R. and Barr, who jump into the LP going straight for the top, Capozzi goes straight to the national LP, &#038; platform committee, and yet nobody has ever heard a peep out of him in the LPVa, or any of the Northern Virginia county organizations.   Ron Paul led a grassroots movement . . . Capozzi believes in top down I guess . . . good strategy Bob.  What other gems do you have for us?</p>
	<p>Three&#8217;s company  . . . too!</p>
	<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s way worse in my book that any issue that Barr or Root has espoused.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Barr&#8217;s vote for the Patriot Act, <span class="caps">DOMA</span>, desire for intervention in South America,etc . . . W.A.R. support for Lieberman, McCain, war on terror, middle east interventionism, etc . . . these are all better than Ruwart, who believes that the lack of efficacy of laws should not trumps people, families, and individuals deciding for themselves.  Very libertarian, Bob.</p>
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		<title>by: Scott Frost</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587549</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>G.E. -- Thanks!  :D

Robert -- Here are some links wherein Mary explains her position further.  

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stevekubbyshow

http://votemary2008.com/node/52

I hope this helps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>G.E.&#8212;Thanks!  <img src='http://thirdpartywatch.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>Robert&#8212;Here are some links wherein Mary explains her position further.</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stevekubbyshow' rel='nofollow'>http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stevekubbyshow</a></p>
	<p><a href='http://votemary2008.com/node/52' rel='nofollow'>http://votemary2008.com/node/52</a></p>
	<p>I hope this helps.</p>
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		<title>by: Robert Capozzi</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587536</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:41:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ruwart needs to clear the air on her take on kiddie porn.  If she actually believes what she has said in the past, I respect that view, but I happen to disagree.  It's a form of tortured Rothbardianism laid bare.  It's way worse in my book that any issue that Barr or Root has espoused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ruwart needs to clear the air on her take on kiddie porn.  If she actually believes what she has said in the past, I respect that view, but I happen to disagree.  It&#8217;s a form of tortured Rothbardianism laid bare.  It&#8217;s way worse in my book that any issue that Barr or Root has espoused.</p>
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		<title>by: Steve Newton</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587513</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 02:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;We should pick the woman with the best ass.&quot;

That would be Barr, Root, or Gravel?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;We should pick the woman with the best ass.&#8221;</p>
	<p>That would be Barr, Root, or Gravel?</p>
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		<title>by: Yank</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587489</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>We should pick the woman with the best ass.</description>
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		<title>by: Andy</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587483</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:48:46 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Bill Woolsey Says: 

April 30th, 2008 at 12:04 pm 
The 'long time Libertarian activist' criterion is the worst.

We should pick a member of the club?&quot;

I would include those who are a part of the overall libertarian movement but haven't been members of the Libertarian Party.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Bill Woolsey Says:</p>
	<p>April 30th, 2008 at 12:04 pm<br />
The &#8216;long time Libertarian activist&#8217; criterion is the worst.</p>
	<p>We should pick a member of the club?&#8221;</p>
	<p>I would include those who are a part of the overall libertarian movement but haven&#8217;t been members of the Libertarian Party.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587477</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I like this Scott Frost guy.</description>
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		<title>by: Scott Frost</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587424</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have to agree with Susan Hogarth yet again.  I, too, discovered the Libertarian Party when Ron Paul first ran for president.  And I didn't even know that he was a former Congressman when I saw him on TV.  I just liked the ideas and was glad to know that there was a party that represented my views.  (The  public schools I went to way back when never mentioned the LP.)  

I think it is more important to run sopmebody who will be a good communicator of libertarian ideas than to run somebody with political experience (or money or name recognition.)  After all, other than Ron Paul, what do politicians generally have experience doing?  Growing government, mostly.  

We can't be sure that a bold, purist libertarian campaign would not capture the public's imagination more than a &quot;safe,&quot; wishy-washy conservative campaign would.    

It would really disappoint me if the Republican Party had a candidate (Ron Paul) who was more libertarian than the LP's eventual nominee.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I have to agree with Susan Hogarth yet again.  I, too, discovered the Libertarian Party when Ron Paul first ran for president.  And I didn&#8217;t even know that he was a former Congressman when I saw him on TV.  I just liked the ideas and was glad to know that there was a party that represented my views.  (The  public schools I went to way back when never mentioned the LP.)</p>
	<p>I think it is more important to run sopmebody who will be a good communicator of libertarian ideas than to run somebody with political experience (or money or name recognition.)  After all, other than Ron Paul, what do politicians generally have experience doing?  Growing government, mostly.</p>
	<p>We can&#8217;t be sure that a bold, purist libertarian campaign would not capture the public&#8217;s imagination more than a &#8220;safe,&#8221; wishy-washy conservative campaign would.</p>
	<p>It would really disappoint me if the Republican Party had a candidate (Ron Paul) who was more libertarian than the LP&#8217;s eventual nominee.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587420</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:06:13 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;During the 1980 Presidential campaign, the libertarian movement began to split into two factions, the Rothbardians and Cato Institute faction led by Ed Crane and funded by the billionaire Koch family (The &quot;Kochtopus&quot;). The fissure is alive and well today, as evidenced by last year’s ignorant attack on LewRockwell.com by Virginia Postrel of Reason Magazine, a magazine which receives funding from the Koch family.&quot;

http://www.lewrockwell.com/ostrowski/ostrowski37.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;During the 1980 Presidential campaign, the libertarian movement began to split into two factions, the Rothbardians and Cato Institute faction led by Ed Crane and funded by the billionaire Koch family (The &#8220;Kochtopus&#8221;). The fissure is alive and well today, as evidenced by last year&#8217;s ignorant attack on LewRockwell.com by Virginia Postrel of Reason Magazine, a magazine which receives funding from the Koch family.&#8221;</p>
	<p><a href='http://www.lewrockwell.com/ostrowski/ostrowski37.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.lewrockwell.com/ostrowski/ostrowski37.html</a></p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/lp-prez-updates/#comment-587410</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 May 2008 01:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>&quot;Reason&quot; is a neocon rag:

'Reason'-Funder To Host Cheney
http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020581.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;Reason&#8221; is a neocon rag:</p>
	<p>&#8216;Reason&#8217;-Funder To Host Cheney<br />
<a href='http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020581.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020581.html</a></p>
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