Comments on: Phillies on Debate and Civility http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/ Sat, 05 Jul 2008 12:06:27 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Yank http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-587456 Thu, 01 May 2008 01:25:58 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-587456 What is Philies's stance on ass? Is there any good ass in this campaign? Where's the ass? What is Philies’s stance on ass? Is there any good ass in this campaign? Where’s the ass?

]]> by: Brian Holtz http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586945 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 19:35:29 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586945 Alex, I already told you last night on another thread that the unanswered elephant-in-the-room question on Monday evening was: Should there be no binding laws/rules that consider age to be any kind of rebuttable factor in sexual consent, or are you only opposed to “bright-line” age discrimination that creates crimes because of rigid calendar calculations? Indeed, I don't know Ruwart's answers to my other four questions: http://libertarianintelligence.com/2008/04/5-questions-for-dr-ruwart.html If you can quote answers from her to any of them I would appreciate it, as with all due respect I'm more interested in her answers than in yours. Alex, I already told you last night on another thread that the unanswered elephant-in-the-room question on Monday evening was: Should there be no binding laws/rules that consider age to be any kind of rebuttable factor in sexual consent, or are you only opposed to “bright-line” age discrimination that creates crimes because of rigid calendar calculations?

Indeed, I don’t know Ruwart’s answers to my other four questions:
http://libertarianintelligence.com/2008/04/5-questions-for-dr-ruwart.html

If you can quote answers from her to any of them I would appreciate it, as with all due respect I’m more interested in her answers than in yours.

]]> by: C. Al Currier http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586843 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:16:47 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586843 <blockquote> Today both polls and statements from the religious right’s leaders indicate an eagerness to abrogate most of the first amendment along with a number of others. ....John Shuey Says </blockquote> Many of the <b>current</b> religious right seem to be eager to replace the church with the state. It bothers me when they also call themselves 'protestants'. I believe that liberarianism has a place for <b>protestants</b> who oppose 'church-and-state-as-one'. I also believe that libertarianism <b> might</b> have a place for Catholics if they happen to oppose 'church-and-state-as-one'. Benjamin Franklin was opposed to allowing Catholics to emigrate into the US because of this basic problem.
Today both polls and statements from the religious right’s leaders indicate an eagerness to abrogate most of the first amendment along with a number of others. ....John Shuey Says

Many of the current religious right seem to be eager to replace the church with the state. It bothers me when they also call themselves ‘protestants’.
I believe that liberarianism has a place for protestants who oppose ‘church-and-state-as-one’. I also believe that libertarianism might have a place for Catholics if they happen to oppose ‘church-and-state-as-one’.

Benjamin Franklin was opposed to allowing Catholics to emigrate into the US because of this basic problem.

]]> by: Alex Peak http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586838 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 18:12:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586838 Mr. Holtz, I don't believe there was anything left unclarified by Ruwart in her interview. About what are you still unclear? She said that young children cannot consent, but that any law that says "consensual sex between a sixteen-year-old and a seventeen-year-old is rape" is crazy. I think that position is rational. Respectfully, Alex Peak Mr. Holtz, I don’t believe there was anything left unclarified by Ruwart in her interview. About what are you still unclear? She said that young children cannot consent, but that any law that says “consensual sex between a sixteen-year-old and a seventeen-year-old is rape” is crazy. I think that position is rational.

Respectfully,
Alex Peak

]]> by: things that make ya go hmmmm http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586820 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:59:44 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586820 hardline enough to win purists, while coherent enough to not turn his skin blue or endorse child pornography. hmmmm child pornography = motive. george was on that ruwart story almost instantaneously, denouncing and directing traffic to his "books for sale". george has something to gain for dissing mary, don't you george? hardline enough to win purists, while coherent enough to not turn his skin blue or endorse child pornography.

hmmmm child pornography = motive. george was on that ruwart story almost instantaneously, denouncing and directing traffic to his “books for sale”. george has something to gain for dissing mary, don’t you george?

]]> by: matt http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586812 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:54:23 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586812 <blockquote>“From the ‘religious right’ have come such basic principles (from Europe) as ‘Seperation of Church and State’, and ‘Freedom of the Press’.” They gave those issues lip service when they were a small minority and enjoyed little to no power. As their power grew they were just as willing to burn heretics as was Rome.</blockquote> According to this simplistic analysis of history, we should be judging all atheists by the (constantly bloody) behavior of the officially atheist states.
“From the ‘religious right’ have come such basic principles (from Europe) as ‘Seperation of Church and State’, and ‘Freedom of the Press’.”

They gave those issues lip service when they were a small minority and enjoyed little to no power. As their power grew they were just as willing to burn heretics as was Rome.

According to this simplistic analysis of history, we should be judging all atheists by the (constantly bloody) behavior of the officially atheist states.

]]> by: John Shuey http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586749 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:13:22 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586749 "From the ‘religious right’ have come such basic principles (from Europe) as ‘Seperation of Church and State’, and ‘Freedom of the Press’." They gave those issues lip service when they were a small minority and enjoyed little to no power. As their power grew they were just as willing to burn heretics as was Rome. Today both polls and statements from the religious right's leaders indicate an eagerness to abrogate most of the first amendment along with a number of others. “From the ‘religious right’ have come such basic principles (from Europe) as ‘Seperation of Church and State’, and ‘Freedom of the Press’.”

They gave those issues lip service when they were a small minority and enjoyed little to no power. As their power grew they were just as willing to burn heretics as was Rome.

Today both polls and statements from the religious right’s leaders indicate an eagerness to abrogate most of the first amendment along with a number of others.

]]> by: C. Al Currier http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586737 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 17:05:24 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586737 I appreciate Mr. Phillies request for civility. As libertarians, we have no inherent obligation to emulate potty-mouth Navy men like McCain &#38; Co., nor should we obfiscate the issues with absurd character attacks. I take one exception to the 'civility' request, however. Some of the roots of libertarianism is traced to the Christian Reformation in Europe, with radicals such as Martin Luther, the 'protestants' and 'anabaptists'. Mr. Phillies refers to the <b>'remote religious right'</b>, apparently indicating that they have no place in 'Libertarianism'. From the 'religious right' have come such basic principles (from Europe) as 'Seperation of Church and State', and 'Freedom of the Press'. I continue to embrace those principles and am happy to give credit to the ones (in Europe) who brought these things to us. The 'remote religious right' not only has a place in libertarianism, but could be looked at as our beginnings. I appreciate Mr. Phillies request for civility. As libertarians, we have no inherent obligation to emulate potty-mouth Navy men like McCain & Co., nor should we obfiscate the issues with absurd character attacks.

I take one exception to the ‘civility’ request, however.
Some of the roots of libertarianism is traced to the Christian Reformation in Europe, with radicals such as Martin Luther, the ‘protestants’ and ‘anabaptists’. Mr. Phillies refers to the ‘remote religious right’, apparently indicating that they have no place in ‘Libertarianism’. From the ‘religious right’ have come such basic principles (from Europe) as ‘Seperation of Church and State’, and ‘Freedom of the Press’. I continue to embrace those principles and am happy to give credit to the ones (in Europe) who brought these things to us. The ‘remote religious right’ not only has a place in libertarianism, but could be looked at as our beginnings.

]]> by: Brian Holtz http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586693 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:37:41 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586693 An excellent statement from Phillies. If George continues to apply these guidelines to his own disagreements with people on LNC and in the national office, then there will be no good reason why the delegates shouldn't turn to him in Denver as a unity candidate. George seems to be consistently gaining ground, while every other candidate is slipping backward or running in place. When I predicted Ruwart's candidacy on March 16, I gave the odds as: Root 30% Ruwart 30% Kubby 20% Phillies 10% Smith 5% others 5%. I would now rate them as: Root or Barr: 40% Ruwart or Kubby: 30% Phillies: 20% Gravel: 5% others: 5% Between Root and Barr, I hesitate to underestimate the advantage Root has of already having taken his opponents' best shots for months. If I had to bet my house on only one candidate, I'd predict that forthcoming attacks on Barr will give the nomination to Root. Between Ruwart and Kubby, I don't see that Ruwart's unwillingness to clarify her positions on children's legal protections will put much of a dent in her appeal to Kubby's base. I admire Kubby for coming to Ruwart's aid by trying to change the subject from Ruwart's enduring principles to Cory's hasty press release, as he surely knows that doing so solidifies her advantage over him in preference voting by their supporters. An excellent statement from Phillies. If George continues to apply these guidelines to his own disagreements with people on LNC and in the national office, then there will be no good reason why the delegates shouldn’t turn to him in Denver as a unity candidate. George seems to be consistently gaining ground, while every other candidate is slipping backward or running in place.

When I predicted Ruwart’s candidacy on March 16, I gave the odds as: Root 30% Ruwart 30% Kubby 20% Phillies 10% Smith 5% others 5%. I would now rate them as:

Root or Barr: 40%
Ruwart or Kubby: 30%
Phillies: 20%
Gravel: 5%
others: 5%

Between Root and Barr, I hesitate to underestimate the advantage Root has of already having taken his opponents’ best shots for months. If I had to bet my house on only one candidate, I’d predict that forthcoming attacks on Barr will give the nomination to Root.

Between Ruwart and Kubby, I don’t see that Ruwart’s unwillingness to clarify her positions on children’s legal protections will put much of a dent in her appeal to Kubby’s base. I admire Kubby for coming to Ruwart’s aid by trying to change the subject from Ruwart’s enduring principles to Cory’s hasty press release, as he surely knows that doing so solidifies her advantage over him in preference voting by their supporters.

]]> by: Steve Perkins http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586679 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:32:04 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586679 Yeah, Phillies is positioning himself to be the backup "default" if things blow up between the front-runners at the convention... hardline enough to win purists, while coherent enough to not turn his skin blue or endorse child pornography. However, given that Massachusetts Libertarians frequently lambaste him for dragging down that state's party, I'd view a Phillies nomination as Badnarik Vol. II. Yeah, Phillies is positioning himself to be the backup “default” if things blow up between the front-runners at the convention… hardline enough to win purists, while coherent enough to not turn his skin blue or endorse child pornography. However, given that Massachusetts Libertarians frequently lambaste him for dragging down that state’s party, I’d view a Phillies nomination as Badnarik Vol. II.

]]> by: Jose C. http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586570 Wed, 30 Apr 2008 15:18:45 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/04/30/phillies-on-debate-and-civility/#comment-586570 The more we hear, the better he sounds. The more we hear, the better he sounds.

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