Root calls Barr “scared to debate” him

Wayne Allyn Root apparently didn’t appreciate yesterday’s article at Reason as much as Barr’s staff did. This blog entry at Reason cleared some of the air on some other issues, though.

On why Root gave money to Joe Lieberman’s campaign:

So what’s Root’s explanation for donating to Joe Lieberman? “It wasn’t because I agreed with Joe Lieberman’s philosophy,” he said. “Somebody who invested a million dollars in one of my projects was a bundler for Lieberman and he asked me to donate to the campaign. I would have given George McGovern a check if somebody who’d made me a million dollars asked me to! Also, Lieberman, at that time, was an independent fighting the two parties. At that time I was a Republican thinking about leaving my party. I like maverick independents, and I always have. I’d have given to Jesse Ventura if he was running.” But Root does not support the Iraq War and stopped using the slogan “a WAR you can support” a long time ago.

On the brouhaha with Mary Ruwart:

Root wanted to clear the record on one thing: He did not demand that Mary Ruwart exit the race after some people dug up an apparent defense of child porn from one of her books. “I was 10,000 feet in the air,” Root explains, “on my way to the New York Libertarian convention. We were asked for a response and my campaign manager made incredibly bone-headed mistake.” So, Root isn’t asking Ruwart to quit the race. He just wants to defeat her.

With respect to Bob Barr [Editorial note: The moment Barr engages in certain “candidate” activities, such as debating candidates, his committee will no longer be considered one of an exploratory nature] being scared to debate him:

Root does think Barr is going to run (he’s got an exploratory committee right now), but questioned why he won’t jump in now and start participating in party debates. “I think he’s scared to debate me,” Root said. Exhibit A: Barr gave an hour speech at the New York convention, skipped the debate where Root only got 15 minutes to speak, and at the end of it Root got more votes in the straw poll. “I didn’t know anyone in the LP when I started this, but I head into those debates and I’m able to win over these crowds who want somebody who can communicate our message. He’s going to count on the one debate at the convention in Denver, and maybe he’s hoping I have an off night.”

Like Christine Smith, Root has also leaked the answers to his LP News interview in advance.

Disclosure: Stephen Gordon is working with the Barr 2008 Presidential Exploratory Committee.

46 Responses to “Root calls Barr “scared to debate” him”

  1. G.E. Says:

    “Somebody who invested a million dollars in one of my projects was a bundler for Lieberman and he asked me to donate to the campaign. I would have given George McGovern a check if somebody who’d made me a million dollars asked me to!”—I appreciate the honesty. The thing is, George McGovern is far less objectionable than Joe Lieberman or John McCain or any number of others. I can’t remember if it was Ron Paul’s new book or maybe Mary Ruwart’s where McGovern is quoted about how badly regulations hurt small businesses. Of course, he didn’t learn this until after he was out of the Senate and tried to start his own small business!

    Root is pinning the blame on his “boneheaded” campaign manager. Okay then. Fire him and I’ll believe you. If not, then you’re just saying that there will be no accountability in your administration.

    Root would thrash Barr in a debate.

  2. Mike Theodore Says:

    Anyone else have that sick little feeling in your mouth. Right around the back tongue area. I need about a pot of coffee to keep me sane when listening to this meathead.

  3. Mike Theodore Says:

    “Root would thrash Barr in a debate.”

    How? The only thing he talks about in debates is himself. Love of Barry Goldwater, ex-Republican, media man, S.O.B! Any other debate won’t be any different.

  4. Kelly Parker Says:

    “Fire him and I’ll believe you.”

    Do you fire someone who made one mistake? If he continues to make mistakes, yes. But for just one error? I wouldn’t.

  5. swift kick into mikes nuts Says:

    Anyone else have that sick little feeling in your mouth. Right around the back tongue area.

    that’s my cock massaging your tonsils choad swisher.

  6. johncjackson Says:

    I don’t think I could support Barr or Root, but for some reason if I had to choose between only those two I’m leaning Root.

  7. Mike Gillis Says:

    So, he’d give money to a fascist or a NAMBLA Party candidate who made him rich? Principle doesn’t come into the picture at all?

    He gave money to one of the most pro-war elected officials in the country and he wants us to believe that it had nothing to do with agreeing with Lieberman?

    There are two options and neither makes him look very good. One is that he’s pro-war and is lying to get a nomination. The second is that he gives money to candidates and really doesn’t care who his money is supporting or what they stand for.

    I’m really of this guy retroactively changing his past positions based on personal advantage. That’s so Hillary Clinton.

  8. Honey Porter Says:

    I’m really of this guy retroactively changing his past positions based on personal advantage. That’s so Hillary Clinton.

    All politicians change, evolve, grow, lie. I think Mike has a point, Root needs to modify his stump speech a bit.

  9. Honey Porter Says:

    Back on topic, I agree with G.E., “Root would thrash Barr in a debate.” So what is Barr waiting for Gordon? There is an old saying “shit or get off of the pot”. And it needs to be applied in this situation, rapidly.

  10. G. Mason Says:

    I’ve been considering supporting Bob Barr and find this website a good source of information about his campaign. Almost every comment and half the articles here serve as a reminder of why I don’t take Libertarians or the Libertarian Party very seriously.

    I can disregard a few nutcases screaming their 9/11 Truth and CFR conspiracy nonsense. We had to deal with that with Ron Paul supporters in Georgia.

    That this Root guy is seriously suggesting that Congressman Barr is afraid to debate him when Barr wasn’t afraid to take on Bill Clinton, George Bush, John McCain, every Democrat in Congress, Larry Flynt, and others is simply hogwash.

    The Birchers might get pushed aside, because Root is now the craziest person in your party.

  11. disinter Says:

    More on the neocon rag “Reason”:

    “It should come as no surprise that Matt Welch, the new editor of Reason, has published a viciously negative piece against Rockwell and Paul. Koch is a large funder of the magazine, and, as Murray Rothbard learned to his cost, he expects those he funds to obey his dictates.”

    http://www.lewrockwell.com/gordon/gordon37.html

  12. disinter Says:

    The Lying, Liberal Editor at [T]Reason
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020347.html

  13. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    “Wayne Allyn Root apparently didn’t appreciate yesterday’s article at Reason as much as Barr’s staff did.”

    I doubt if anyone appreciated that puff piece for Barr as much as Barr’s staff did. I was frankly surprised that there was no “paid for by Bob Barr Exploratory Committee and approved by the non-candidate” disclaimer.

    I don’t ever see myself getting excited about Root as a candidate, but he’s worked his way up to #3 on my list below Kubby and Ruwart … and #4 is NOTA.

  14. disinter Says:

    [Editorial note: The moment Barr engages in certain “candidate” activities, such as debating other candidates, his committee will no longer be considered one of an exploratory nature]

    So in other words, he will hide behind this “exploratory” bullshit so that he doesn’t have to debate Root.

  15. Liberated Woman Says:

    “that’s my **** massaging your …”

    Please keep this family friendly. I really do have kids and I read these stupid blogs during the day.

  16. disinter Says:

    Like Christine Smith, Root has also leaked the answers to his LP News interview in advance.

    So why didn’t his leaked answers get a dedicated post like Smith’s? I smell bias.

  17. disinter Says:

    I really do have kids and I read these stupid blogs during the day.

    Then do your job as a parent and don’t let your poor children see these horribly naughty words.

  18. Yank Says:

    Where is the ass? There’s no ass here.

  19. disinter Says:

    Where is the ass? There’s no ass here.

    I don’t see ass either:

    that’s my cock massaging your tonsils choad swisher.

  20. Yank Says:

    Who will address the lp ass shortage? Who will tell the truth?

  21. G.E. Says:

    Mike Theodore – Root would thrash Barr in a debate because Root is thoroughly more libertarian than Barr is. I’m assuming, of course, that the audience is libertarians. The same type of audience who nominated Michael Badnarik out of principle. But while W.A.R. can thrash Barr, Ruwart can and will thrash them both.

    Kelly – That’s a pretty big mistake. Calling for another candidate to step down. . . I can imagine what would happen if Hillary’s campaign manager called for Obama to step down. Root should definitely fire his campaign manager, or else people will be forced to believe (as I do) that this was not an independent action by the campaign manager as Root claims it was.

  22. Andy Says:

    “So what’s Root’s explanation for donating to Joe Lieberman? “It wasn’t because I agreed with Joe Lieberman’s philosophy,” he said. “Somebody who invested a million dollars in one of my projects was a bundler for Lieberman and he asked me to donate to the campaign. I would have given George McGovern a check if somebody who’d made me a million dollars asked me to! Also, Lieberman, at that time, was an independent fighting the two parties. At that time I was a Republican thinking about leaving my party. I like maverick independents, and I always have. I’d have given to Jesse Ventura if he was running.’”

    OK, MAYBE Root has changed since then, however, even if he has it seems to me that the reason that he gave for donating to Lieberman is weak.

  23. Yank Says:

    The lp is weak on ass. Where’s the ass?

  24. Robert Milnes Says:

    Thomas L. Knapp, maybe you have a man-crush on Root?

  25. G.E. Says:

    Andy – I think his answer is honest and legitimate. You’re in business, someone shakes you down, you pay up if it’s in your best interests. What’s the difference between contributing to a bundle for Lieberman or contributing tax dollars? If I could get a million dollars in business by making a contribution to a neocon, I would. What’s the difference? The neocon is going to win anyway. Better me (or in this case, Root) gets the business than someone who would actually give to Lieberman of his own free will. But that said, Root’s answer was very un-PC—which is why I admire him for giving it.

  26. Andy Says:

    “G.E. Says:

    April 30th, 2008 at 9:04 pm
    Andy – I think his answer is honest and legitimate. You’re in business, someone shakes you down, you pay up if it’s in your best interests. What’s the difference between contributing to a bundle for Lieberman or contributing tax dollars? If I could get a million dollars in business by making a contribution to a neocon, I would. What’s the difference? The neocon is going to win anyway. Better me (or in this case, Root) gets the business than someone who would actually give to Lieberman of his own free will. But that said, Root’s answer was very un-PC—which is why I admire him for giving it.”

    GE, that just seems really unprincipled to me. If somebody asked me to donate money to Joe Lieberman and if this person was also somebody whom I dealt with in business, I would tell them that I couldn’t donate to Joe Lieberman because Joe Lieberman is anti-free market and anti-civil liberties. I would then point out examples to back this up. I would ask this person to reconsider their support for Joe Lieberman.

    I suppose that Root would say that he wasn’t really a libertarian at that time and that he’s changed since then, and maybe Root really has changed since then, however, what concerns me is that this wasn’t that long ago as he made this contribution in 2006. Now only two years later he wants to be the candidate for a party that is the polar opposite of Joe Lieberman.

  27. disinter Says:

    It’s a Dark Day at [T]Reason
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/020775.html

  28. G.E. Says:

    Andy – I don’t know. Let’s say it’s you. You are a principled, 100% libertarian. Your business can get the million-dollar contract if you make the guy happy by donating $2,300 to Lieberman. Alternatively, you don’t get the contract, which puts your business at risk. What’s more, the contract will just go to another, non-libertarian, and Lieberman still gets his $2,300. And even if your $2,300 made the difference for Lieberman (which it wouldn’t), even if he lost, another neocon would have won. I don’t see the advantage of not paying the bribe. Hank Rearden would have paid it. I see a distinction between donating because a bundler asks you to and donating specifically to secure a favor from the government. The latter would be unprincipled. The former is gray. But regardless, I respect Root for admitting this anyway. You could make the argument that the only truly principled thing a libertarian can do is take up arms against the government. But to what ends?

  29. Liberated Woman Says:

    “Then do your job as a parent and don’t let your poor children see these horribly naughty words.”

    The subtext is that people prefer debating with potty mouth to actually saving our country. (Yes, I’m humor deprived at the moment!)

  30. Yank Says:

    Does Liberated Woman have a nice ass?

  31. Steve LaBianca Says:

    Two points-
    a-W.A.R., at the NY LP convention last weekend was asked by my friend
    Vicki. As part of his answer to her, he stated that he thought Ms. Ruwart should withdraw from consideration.

    I know who I believe. W.A.R. once again shows his twofaced personality. So this statement above “He did not demand that Mary Ruwart exit the race” and this “So, Root isn’t asking Ruwart to quit the race.” are the truth?

    I know who I trust, and it ain’t W.A.R. More twisting of the facts, more lies, more backpedaling, more covering up . . . it all falls flat. All you need to do is open your eyes.

    I am no Barr supporter, but the idea that Barr is afraid to debate W.A.R. is also laughable. W.A.R. can’t debate. He folds like a beaten poker player.

    b-Quote from above-”“It wasn’t because I agreed with Joe Lieberman’s philosophy,” he said. “Somebody who invested a million dollars in one of my projects was a bundler for Lieberman and he asked me to donate to the campaign. I would have given George McGovern a check if somebody who’d made me a million dollars asked me to! Also, Lieberman, at that time, was an independent fighting the two parties.” So is Bernie Sanders (an avowed socialist) an independent.

    So there you FINALLY have it . . . I’ve been saying this about W.A.R. for months, and for weeks here at TPW. This man has NO principles! Make W.A.R. money and he will do anything. He will fund his enemies! Make him the nominee, he will do anything. Similarly, he will do and say ANYTHING to GET the nomination. W.A.R. will say what he thinks will play well to what ever audience he’s talking to.

    Right now, W.A.R. is talking to Libertarian delegates. If he get the nomination, he will be attempting to talk to others. What will he say then? Don’t know? Neither do I? and there’s the rub.

    Folks . . . Libertarians, delegates to the LP convention, this man is PLAYING all of you who are buying into this charade called the W.A.R. campaign! How much clearer can it be? It reminds me of a book . . . “The Buying of the Presidency”.

    There is still time to collect your thoughts and reconsider supporting W.A.R. It will be time well spent.

  32. citizen1 Says:

    Why didn’t Root send me a check? I was the candidate that would be closest to th Libertarian viewpoint and defnitely not part of the two party system.

  33. Hugh Jass Says:

    Is citizen1=Tim Knibbs?

  34. Andy Says:

    GE said

    “April 30th, 2008 at 9:41 pm
    Andy – I don’t know. Let’s say it’s you. You are a principled, 100% libertarian. Your business can get the million-dollar contract if you make the guy happy by donating $2,300 to Lieberman. Alternatively, you don’t get the contract, which puts your business at risk. What’s more, the contract will just go to another, non-libertarian, and Lieberman still gets his $2,300. And even if your $2,300 made the difference for Lieberman (which it wouldn’t), even if he lost, another neocon would have won. I don’t see the advantage of not paying the bribe. Hank Rearden would have paid it. I see a distinction between donating because a bundler asks you to and donating specifically to secure a favor from the government. The latter would be unprincipled. The former is gray. But regardless, I respect Root for admitting this anyway. You could make the argument that the only truly principled thing a libertarian can do is take up arms against the government. But to what ends?”

    How do you know that any business deals rested on whether or not Root donated money to Joe Lieberman? If Root’s business were worth investing in, wouldn’t there be people who’d want to invest in it regaurdless his political donations?

    What if Root had said something like, “Sorry, but I just can’t send any money to Joe Lieberman because of his horrible record on both personal and economic freedom issues. Seriously friend, do you know anything about the record of the man for whom you are soliciting donations? He’s got an F rating from the National Tax Payers Union which is a group that advocates less taxes and less spending. He’s got an F- rating from Gun Owners of America. He’s bad on free speech. He supports locking up non-violent drug offenders. He’s a big supporter of the police state. I can’t support this man because this man is trying to take away our freedoms. I’d suggest that you rethink your support of him as well.”

    Would something like the quote above have put Root out of business? Does one HAVE to sell out to get ahead?

    I suspect that Root didn’t just donate to Lieberman because he was asked to make a donation, I think that at least a part of him WANTED to donate to Lieberman because Lieberman is a pro-war Zionist.

    Now in all fairness, I will say that Wayne Root appears to be a much better candidate than Joe Lieberman from a pro-liberty perspective.

    Am I the only one who is uncomfortable with the fact that 2 years ago this guy sent a donation to Joe Lieberman and less than two years ago he endorsed John McCain and Joe Lieberman as a Presidential ticket?

  35. Mike Gillis Says:

    You know, Root could simply say, “Hey. I had poor positions in the past and I was wrong, but I’ve come around” and explain himself.

    I could respect that. Because he’s made plenty of neocon-ish statements in the past, waxed orgasmic about Ronald Reagan and used talk radio jargon like “Islamofascist”, he urged support for McCain/Lieberman, vocally supported the war or a potential war with Iran, gave money—and not a small donation—to a hawkish morality cop (Lieberman).

    He could admit that like Barr that he’s changed and make that into a strength, and use his past position to spin the people STILL supporting the war as irrational and unwilling to accept reality.

    But instead he puts the past through the Ministry of Truth and creates a new past much better suited to what he wants in the present.

  36. G.E. Says:

    Andy – I don’t know that his business rested on that donation. It probably didn’t. But Root claims that it helped. I’ve never made a donation to a candidate for any reason other than wanting to donate to the candidate. But I just don’t see the relatively inconsequential act of making a donation as “selling out.” What if he donated $20? How about $0.25? Would you donate $0.25 to Hillary Clinton to appease a liberal client and get a million dollars in business? Again, I would see a huge difference between making a donation to a candidate with the expectation of receiving a favor (totally immoral and unacceptable) and doing what Root claims he did here.

    I don’t think Root is an honest man. Maybe he really did donate to Lieberman because he liked Lieberman. But I think it’s more politically damaging for him to say what he’s said than to say “I thought Lieberman was good, now I know better.” Thus, unless he cannot calculate that, I’m guessing he’s actually telling the truth here.

  37. Thomas M. Sipos Says:

    I don’t believe Root’s claim that his campaign manager acted independently in asking Ruwart to withdraw.

    1. Demanding that an opponent to withdraw is significant. You don’t issue such a significant statement absent the candidate’s authorization. Not unless it was an emergency where you had to respond—and there was no crying need to respond; no reason not to wait for Root’s plane to land. (And what about contacting him by phone?—planes do have air phones.)

    2. This is a common political tactic. Have a surrogate do the dirty work. Then if need be, ask the surrogate to fall on his sword. So if Root now fires the campaign manager, it’d prove nothing.

    3. Root was up in a plane? So he set up some plausible denial. He’s clever, I’ll give him that.

    Sorry, but I don’t trust Root.

  38. The Democratic Republican Says:

    I am so tired of reading about the “paleos” and their beef with the “cosmotarians”/Kochptous. I have never read more intolerant writings than at LRC. And if Rockwell really did write those newsletters, and let Paul take the fall for him, he is truly a sack of shit and should be acknowledged as such.

  39. Stefan Says:

    Question to Root is why did he not get rid of his campaign manager? Any serious political candidate would do it if they act so overhastily and wrongly. Did Root offer apology to Ruwart? I doubt it. Ruwart and Barr would both trash Root.

    Barr has been much longer with the LP than Root and also done more. He has endorsed Badnarik in 2004. Root was born in NY and still consider himself a New Yorker, so it is naturally that NY would support a “local guy”.

    If you compare the war against drugs to the war in Iraq, which support is the worst and least libertarian? The answer is obvious IMHO Also: it does not seem very principled to donate to anyone who would do business with you. Root criticized Gravel when he joined the LP, but finds no problem to contribute to any socialist or communist, as long as they invest millions with him.

  40. Stefan Says:

    Dr. Ruwart mentioned during the Kubby interview that in WA Root mentioned he would chose her as his running mate, should he receive the nomination. Somehow, I do not think she will be on his list anymore. Now the questions is:
    who would Barr, Root and Ruwart – if one see them as the leaders in the race – respectively choose as their VP candidates? Also, who would the second choice of most delegates be, who is the more likable?

  41. The Democratic Republican Says:

    I thought the LP elected the Vice Presidential candidate, a la 1800’s United States?

  42. Thomas L. Knapp Says:

    Stefan,

    In the LP, the presidential nominee doesn’t choose his or her “running mate.” The vice-presidential nomination is awarded by the delegates. The presidential nominee can ask nicely for a particular VP nominee, but that doesn’t mean he or she will get whom they ask for.

    Personally, I’d be happy with a Kubby/Ruwart or Ruwart/Kubby ticket. Anything else would be a waste of time, money and energy.

  43. Yank Says:

    Is there any man ass in this assless monkey party?

  44. Stefan Says:

    Thomas: Thank you for the info: I think it is much better and more democratic that the party elects the VP candidate, than the nominee decides him/herself, like with the big parties.

  45. Bollocks! Says:

    The Keynote Speaker for the LP Convention was slated to be Barr but he is no longer listed on the 2008 LP Convention site as being a speaker at all. In fact, the Keynote Speaker is now listed as Richard Viguerie.

    So it appears that Root WILL be given a chance to debate Barr after all… Or will he?

    The question now is: Why all the secrecy about Barr’s candidacy? Is he really afraid to debate Root? Maybe he is. I guess only time will tell at this point…

    There you go. Have at it boys! Let the debating begin!

  46. citizen1 Says:

    Hugh Jass Says:
    Is citizen1=Tim Knibbs?

    yes

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