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	<title>Comments on: Constitution Party Selects &#8220;Mr. Smith&#8221;</title>
	<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/</link>
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		<title>by: Cody Quirk</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-594201</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 06:36:33 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>So would the Montana CP place Chuck Baldwin on their ballot? How about the Oregon CP?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>So would the Montana CP place Chuck Baldwin on their ballot? How about the Oregon CP?</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-594100</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 05:30:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-594100</guid>
					<description>Yea, Romney supporters I dont see--except the large contingent of mormons that voted fofr him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yea, Romney supporters I dont see&#8212;except the large contingent of mormons that voted fofr him.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-594059</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 04:53:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-594059</guid>
					<description>End the Empire - I have a hard time seeing Baldwin attracting odious Romney supporters. Why not Giuliani supporters too?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>End the Empire &#8211; I have a hard time seeing Baldwin attracting odious Romney supporters. Why not Giuliani supporters too?</p>
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		<title>by: End the Empire</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593895</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 02:28:12 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Why must we spend so much time attacking a third party, that we can agree with their POTUS candidate over 70% of the time? The Dems and Repubs sure are larger, much easier targets.  I guess it's because this is TPW and not major party watch, hence we can't &quot;comment&quot; on the majors as easily.

Chuck Baldwin will get his share of Paul supporters, but he needs to be after Huckabee, Romney, Thompson, Tancredo, Hunter and ALL anti-McCain people to vote for him also. They out number Ron Paul voters considerably! The large conservative vote in America needs to learn who Chuck Baldwin is and where he stands on the issues.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Why must we spend so much time attacking a third party, that we can agree with their <span class="caps">POTUS</span> candidate over 70% of the time? The Dems and Repubs sure are larger, much easier targets.  I guess it&#8217;s because this is <span class="caps">TPW</span> and not major party watch, hence we can&#8217;t &#8220;comment&#8221; on the majors as easily.</p>
	<p>Chuck Baldwin will get his share of Paul supporters, but he needs to be after Huckabee, Romney, Thompson, Tancredo, Hunter and <span class="caps">ALL</span> anti-McCain people to vote for him also. They out number Ron Paul voters considerably! The large conservative vote in America needs to learn who Chuck Baldwin is and where he stands on the issues.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593851</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593851</guid>
					<description>I DO gamble. haha.

Trust me--im quite aware of the many problems with the CP platform,and with the party. I view them as less trouble than the LP's though.

With all of that said--you know im a friend to the LP, GE. And in fact, I care for parties very little,and for individuals much more. By the time this election season is over, i'll have voted for a couple Republicans, a couple constitution partiers, and two libertarians.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p><span class="caps">I DO</span> gamble. haha.</p>
	<p>Trust me&#8212;im quite aware of the many problems with the CP platform,and with the party. I view them as less trouble than the LP&#8217;s though.</p>
	<p>With all of that said&#8212;you know im a friend to the LP, GE. And in fact, I care for parties very little,and for individuals much more. By the time this election season is over, i&#8217;ll have voted for a couple Republicans, a couple constitution partiers, and two libertarians.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593817</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:20:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593817</guid>
					<description>Trent - You need to read your party's platform (as well as that of the LP).

On Drugs: &quot;The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.&quot;

Although the &quot;right&quot; to restrict drugs is delegated to the states under the Constitution, so too is the right to restrict religion and speech. I do not support the &quot;rights&quot; of states to restrict any of the above (although I do oppose the federal government preventing them from doing so). What's more, the CP turns interventionist in its calls for the federal government to &quot;stop the flow of illegal drugs&quot; into the U.S., and to use what Ron Paul calls ACTS OF WAR -- embargoes and sanctions -- to stop the peaceful commerce that the founding fathers prescribed as our foreign policy. Boo!

Gambling: &quot;Gambling promotes an increase in crime, destruction of family values, and a decline in the moral fiber of our country.&quot;

B.S. And I don't gamble, btw.

Porn: &quot;We call on our local, state and FEDERAL governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.&quot;

The federal government should enforce obscenity laws? Where in the Constitution is this power enumerated?

You know... After reading through the CP platform, I'm finding lots of areas where it is not very constitutional at all. In fact, it takes a liberal view of the Constitution (referring to &quot;xth Amendment rights&quot; and seeming to accept the liberal notion that the Bill of Rights applies to the states, etc.). It's all quite Philliesian, in fact.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Trent &#8211; You need to read your party&#8217;s platform (as well as that of the LP).</p>
	<p>On Drugs: &#8220;The Constitution Party will uphold the right of states and localities to restrict access to drugs and to enforce such restrictions. We support legislation to stop the flow of illegal drugs into the United States from foreign sources. As a matter of self-defense, retaliatory policies including embargoes, sanctions, and tariffs, should be considered.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Although the &#8220;right&#8221; to restrict drugs is delegated to the states under the Constitution, so too is the right to restrict religion and speech. I do not support the &#8220;rights&#8221; of states to restrict any of the above (although I do oppose the federal government preventing them from doing so). What&#8217;s more, the CP turns interventionist in its calls for the federal government to &#8220;stop the flow of illegal drugs&#8221; into the U.S., and to use what Ron Paul calls <span class="caps">ACTS OF WAR </span>&#8212;embargoes and sanctions&#8212;to stop the peaceful commerce that the founding fathers prescribed as our foreign policy. Boo!</p>
	<p>Gambling: &#8220;Gambling promotes an increase in crime, destruction of family values, and a decline in the moral fiber of our country.&#8221;</p>
	<p>B.S. And I don&#8217;t gamble, btw.</p>
	<p>Porn: &#8220;We call on our local, state and <span class="caps">FEDERAL</span> governments to uphold our cherished First Amendment right to free speech by vigorously enforcing our laws against obscenity to maintain a degree of separation between that which is truly speech and that which only seeks to distort and destroy.&#8221;</p>
	<p>The federal government should enforce obscenity laws? Where in the Constitution is this power enumerated?</p>
	<p>You know&#8230; After reading through the CP platform, I&#8217;m finding lots of areas where it is not very constitutional at all. In fact, it takes a liberal view of the Constitution (referring to &#8220;xth Amendment rights&#8221; and seeming to accept the liberal notion that the Bill of Rights applies to the states, etc.). It&#8217;s all quite Philliesian, in fact.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593803</link>
		<pubDate>Tue, 06 May 2008 01:12:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593803</guid>
					<description>Trent - You've constructed a straw man. The LP is most definitely not &quot;pro-choice&quot; in the sense you're talking about (pro legal abortion). The official party stance, shared by every member but the odious Phillies and others like him, is anti-Roe V Wade. As for state legislation against abortion, perhaps pro-lifers are in the minority, but it is a growing one. I don't know too many people who are converted to the &quot;pro-choice&quot; side, but plenty (myself included) who go the other way. But you already know that. 

As for &quot;open borders&quot; -- that is a debated position within the LP too. Most, from my perspective, accept the need for border security. They just reject quotas and central planning and they respect property rights. There are others in the LP who are just as radical (and just as wrong) as you on this position, too.

Anarchist: I'm not one, and neither are the majority of libertarians.

So what you're saying is that you refuse to associate with the LP based on a few beliefs held by a few members. I knew a guy in the Michigan CP who told me he was turned off by overt racists and anti-Semites he encountered at the national convention. So by your own logic, no one should associate with the CP unless they are racist and/or anti-Semite. Or more reliably, you have members (assuming at least two stuck around) who are total f-ing neocons (Keynsians). Then again, so do we (Brian Miller, etc.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Trent &#8211; You&#8217;ve constructed a straw man. The LP is most definitely not &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; in the sense you&#8217;re talking about (pro legal abortion). The official party stance, shared by every member but the odious Phillies and others like him, is anti-Roe V Wade. As for state legislation against abortion, perhaps pro-lifers are in the minority, but it is a growing one. I don&#8217;t know too many people who are converted to the &#8220;pro-choice&#8221; side, but plenty (myself included) who go the other way. But you already know that.</p>
	<p>As for &#8220;open borders&#8221;&#8212;that is a debated position within the LP too. Most, from my perspective, accept the need for border security. They just reject quotas and central planning and they respect property rights. There are others in the LP who are just as radical (and just as wrong) as you on this position, too.</p>
	<p>Anarchist: I&#8217;m not one, and neither are the majority of libertarians.</p>
	<p>So what you&#8217;re saying is that you refuse to associate with the LP based on a few beliefs held by a few members. I knew a guy in the Michigan CP who told me he was turned off by overt racists and anti-Semites he encountered at the national convention. So by your own logic, no one should associate with the CP unless they are racist and/or anti-Semite. Or more reliably, you have members (assuming at least two stuck around) who are total f-ing neocons (Keynsians). Then again, so do we (Brian Miller, etc.)</p>
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		<title>by: Sean</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593644</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 23:05:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Ben, thank you -- that is very informative...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Ben, thank you&#8212;that is very informative&#8230;</p>
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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593623</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 22:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593623</guid>
					<description>According to Minnesota law and possibly others, those signing two petitions for the same office end up making both signatures invalid.  According to Minnesota law, signing a petition sheet for an independent candidate is the equivalent of voting for said candidate in the September primary.  As an example, any one signing my 2006 US Senate candidate petition could not also sign for my Green opponent or vote for a candidate in the GOP, DFL, or IP primary.  

One was not barred from voting in the primary for another race, say Congress or local non-partisan, but they could not legally vote in the US Senate primary in September 2006.  One of the reasons that other parties cannot help each other out on ballot drives.  

In Minnesota, at least, the LP and CP leadership have encouraged people to gather signatures for each other when they did not have a candidate, ex. had Sue Jeffers not changed her mind and decided to run in the GOP primary for Governor, individuals in the CP were prepared to gather signatures for her to be the LP's candidate for Governor.  LP and CP by-laws prohibit the endorsement of another party's candidates in a partisan race.  However, some of my best support in 2006 actually came from Libertarians because they did not have a US Senate candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>According to Minnesota law and possibly others, those signing two petitions for the same office end up making both signatures invalid.  According to Minnesota law, signing a petition sheet for an independent candidate is the equivalent of voting for said candidate in the September primary.  As an example, any one signing my 2006 <span class="caps">US </span>Senate candidate petition could not also sign for my Green opponent or vote for a candidate in the <span class="caps">GOP</span>, DFL, or IP primary.</p>
	<p>One was not barred from voting in the primary for another race, say Congress or local non-partisan, but they could not legally vote in the <span class="caps">US </span>Senate primary in September 2006.  One of the reasons that other parties cannot help each other out on ballot drives.</p>
	<p>In Minnesota, at least, the LP and CP leadership have encouraged people to gather signatures for each other when they did not have a candidate, ex. had Sue Jeffers not changed her mind and decided to run in the <span class="caps">GOP</span> primary for Governor, individuals in the CP were prepared to gather signatures for her to be the LP&#8217;s candidate for Governor.  LP and CP by-laws prohibit the endorsement of another party&#8217;s candidates in a partisan race.  However, some of my best support in 2006 actually came from Libertarians because they did not have a <span class="caps">US </span>Senate candidate.</p>
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		<title>by: Sean</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593274</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:28:49 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593274</guid>
					<description>&quot;not something I can get behind&quot; .. .however, i don't think it would hurt if LP and CP helped each other out on ballot drives!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;not something I can get behind&#8221; .. .however, i don&#8217;t think it would hurt if LP and CP helped each other out on ballot drives!</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593268</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:22:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593268</guid>
					<description>GE,

fully legalized gambling isnt a problem in my state, nor is pornography, prostitution, drugs or booze. Of course the guys in Michigan probably feel differently.
Im glad you appreciate the hospitality. =)
I'll not be joining the LP though, pro-choice + open borders + anarchism = not something I can get behind.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>GE,</p>
	<p>fully legalized gambling isnt a problem in my state, nor is pornography, prostitution, drugs or booze. Of course the guys in Michigan probably feel differently.<br />
Im glad you appreciate the hospitality. =)<br />
I&#8217;ll not be joining the LP though, pro-choice + open borders + anarchism = not something I can get behind.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593258</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593258</guid>
					<description>Red - The real &quot;hateful extremists&quot; are the neocons and their liberal enablers. Where they are Christian (allegedly), I guess they are &quot;hateful Christian extremists.&quot; Your friend Alan Key(n)es would seem to fit the bill.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Red &#8211; The real &#8220;hateful extremists&#8221; are the neocons and their liberal enablers. Where they are Christian (allegedly), I guess they are &#8220;hateful Christian extremists.&#8221; Your friend Alan Key(n)es would seem to fit the bill.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593254</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:15:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593254</guid>
					<description>Trent - Hold on. I'm also for fully legalized gambling; pornography (adult, of course!); prostitution; drugs and booze, etc., in MY STATE. I largely see eye to eye with the CP when it comes to what the federal government should do, but not at the state or local level at all. That's why I can support Chuck Baldwin, but while I appreciate your hospitality, I think you should join the LP, instead of the other way around.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Trent &#8211; Hold on. I&#8217;m also for fully legalized gambling; pornography (adult, of course!); prostitution; drugs and booze, etc., in <span class="caps">MY STATE</span>. I largely see eye to eye with the CP when it comes to what the federal government should do, but not at the state or local level at all. That&#8217;s why I can support Chuck Baldwin, but while I appreciate your hospitality, I think you should join the LP, instead of the other way around.</p>
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		<title>by: Trent Hill</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593233</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 18:00:17 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593233</guid>
					<description>Michael,

The RP vote is only about 1 mill.

But it doesnt matter,that wont happen. Go browse RonPaulForums--more than half of them are for Baldwin.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Michael,</p>
	<p>The RP vote is only about 1 mill.</p>
	<p>But it doesnt matter,that wont happen. Go browse RonPaulForums&#8212;more than half of them are for Baldwin.</p>
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		<title>by: Michael</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593228</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 May 2008 17:57:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/04/constitution-party-selects-mr-smith/#comment-593228</guid>
					<description>If Bob Barr is the nominee of the LP, look for the Ron Paul vote to go to him. 1 million, maybe 1.5 million.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>If Bob Barr is the nominee of the LP, look for the Ron Paul vote to go to him. 1 million, maybe 1.5 million.</p>
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