Comments on: Brian Moore to address how Socialism is Ready to Transition Faltering US Economy http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/ Sat, 06 Sep 2008 17:51:22 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Brad http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-598708 Fri, 09 May 2008 00:44:25 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-598708 Actually, Murray Rothbard wrote that conservatives are the true opponents of libertarians and that Socialists (which he considered to be a confused middle-of-the-road movement that advocated libertarian goals and antilibertarian means) were the closest thing to natural allies for the libertarians (which he placed on the extreme left; see http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard33.html ). I don't agree with everything that Rothbard wrote (I vehemently disagree with most of what he wrote in his Paleo period and I personally reject his Anarcho-Capitalism and sectarian strategy, in favor of a Minarchism with a phase out rather than immediate abolition of the "safety net" and a Big Tent strategy), but I consider his view of the political spectrum to be accurate (it is probably the best explanation for why the Socialists at Counterpunch sound like libertarians alot of the time, while Republicans like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush increase the size and scope of government even more than the worst Democrats). Actually, Murray Rothbard wrote that conservatives are the true opponents of libertarians and that Socialists (which he considered to be a confused middle-of-the-road movement that advocated libertarian goals and antilibertarian means) were the closest thing to natural allies for the libertarians (which he placed on the extreme left; see http://www.lewrockwell.com/rothbard/rothbard33.html ). I don’t agree with everything that Rothbard wrote (I vehemently disagree with most of what he wrote in his Paleo period and I personally reject his Anarcho-Capitalism and sectarian strategy, in favor of a Minarchism with a phase out rather than immediate abolition of the “safety net” and a Big Tent strategy), but I consider his view of the political spectrum to be accurate (it is probably the best explanation for why the Socialists at Counterpunch sound like libertarians alot of the time, while Republicans like Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush increase the size and scope of government even more than the worst Democrats).

]]> by: Braden http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-595748 Wed, 07 May 2008 09:45:46 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-595748 I didn't realize Obama being a socialist was such a surprise. Nonetheless, I agree with Nexus' statement that socialism is a parasite needing a host to feed off of. If only Cuba or North Korea (two examples given) had their own Hong Kong to leech off of. But I also like to see ANY third parties getting attention and their ideas getting a forum. Sure, we have our own socialist party in the Democrat-Republican Party, but at least the Socialist Party USA is honest about their ideology. They have as much a right to ballot-access as any other party that exists. I didn’t realize Obama being a socialist was such a surprise.

Nonetheless, I agree with Nexus’ statement that socialism is a parasite needing a host to feed off of. If only Cuba or North Korea (two examples given) had their own Hong Kong to leech off of.

But I also like to see ANY third parties getting attention and their ideas getting a forum. Sure, we have our own socialist party in the Democrat-Republican Party, but at least the Socialist Party USA is honest about their ideology. They have as much a right to ballot-access as any other party that exists.

]]> by: Catholic Trotskyist http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-595502 Wed, 07 May 2008 03:00:05 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-595502 David, I am not a libertarian and I believe that Barack Obama does advocate socialism. He does have to hide much of it so he can defeat the Rodham/Bush/McCain/Nader conspiracy, however. He is also unpopular among socialists because he recognizes the importance to merge Christian ethics with socialism. David, I am not a libertarian and I believe that Barack Obama does advocate socialism. He does have to hide much of it so he can defeat the Rodham/Bush/McCain/Nader conspiracy, however. He is also unpopular among socialists because he recognizes the importance to merge Christian ethics with socialism.

]]> by: David Gaines http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-595323 Tue, 06 May 2008 23:43:53 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-595323 A socialist economy doesn't necessarily mean a centrally run planned economy. Libertarians who have a poor understanding of what socialism is as advocated historically in the United States - which is to say virtually all of them - never seem to grasp this. Your local credit union is an example of socialism. So is your local food co-op. This is the type of socialism a lot of SPUSA members favor. Not everyone who advocates socialism is a Marxist-Leninist, although the libertarians I encounter on the internet almost without exception seem not to be able to grasp the differences. Then again, so many of them keep accusing Barack Obama of (don't laugh) advocating socialism that I think it's pointless to get into any kind of subtle shades of meaning on this issue. A socialist economy doesn’t necessarily mean a centrally run planned economy. Libertarians who have a poor understanding of what socialism is as advocated historically in the United States – which is to say virtually all of them – never seem to grasp this. Your local credit union is an example of socialism. So is your local food co-op. This is the type of socialism a lot of SPUSA members favor. Not everyone who advocates socialism is a Marxist-Leninist, although the libertarians I encounter on the internet almost without exception seem not to be able to grasp the differences. Then again, so many of them keep accusing Barack Obama of (don’t laugh) advocating socialism that I think it’s pointless to get into any kind of subtle shades of meaning on this issue.

]]> by: disinter http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-595130 Tue, 06 May 2008 20:24:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-595130 What is the purpose of the socialist party when the Dems and Repugs have been advancing their agenda quite successfully for many decades? What is the purpose of the socialist party when the Dems and Repugs have been advancing their agenda quite successfully for many decades?

]]> by: Nexus http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594997 Tue, 06 May 2008 17:45:30 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594997 Your spliting hairs. Whether the chicken or the egg came first is beside the point. The fact remains that fully government run economies(Cuba, North Korea) fail. When private property rights and the rule of law are respected, there is prosperity. You can not redistribute wealth unless someone creates that wealth in the first place and governments have a very bad track record when it comes to wealth creation. Your spliting hairs. Whether the chicken or the egg came first is beside the point. The fact remains that fully government run economies(Cuba, North Korea) fail. When private property rights and the rule of law are respected, there is prosperity. You can not redistribute wealth unless someone creates that wealth in the first place and governments have a very bad track record when it comes to wealth creation.

]]> by: Thomas L. Knapp http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594905 Tue, 06 May 2008 16:17:44 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594905 Nexus, Actually, capitalism was invented -- or at least popularized -- by socialists. It's nothing more or less than a government-regulated industrial state of the type which precedes the revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat in Marx's theory (or the non-revolutionary transition in Fabian socialist theories). Laissez faire and free markets are not and never have been "capitalism," no matter how many times the Randroids click their heels together and wish for history and language to magically change content and meaning. Nexus,

Actually, capitalism was invented—or at least popularized—by socialists. It’s nothing more or less than a government-regulated industrial state of the type which precedes the revolution and the dictatorship of the proletariat in Marx’s theory (or the non-revolutionary transition in Fabian socialist theories).

Laissez faire and free markets are not and never have been “capitalism,” no matter how many times the Randroids click their heels together and wish for history and language to magically change content and meaning.

]]> by: Nexus http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594828 Tue, 06 May 2008 15:05:42 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594828 Socialism is a parasite. It must have a strong capitalist host to feed off of. It can't create wealth on it's own. If it could, Cuba and North Korea would be the richest countries on earth. Socialism is a parasite. It must have a strong capitalist host to feed off of. It can’t create wealth on it’s own. If it could, Cuba and North Korea would be the richest countries on earth.

]]> by: Peter Orvetti http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594825 Tue, 06 May 2008 15:03:37 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594825 I'm happy to see the Socialists making use of this site. I'm an LPer, but it is always useful to hear other voices presenting their cases. I’m happy to see the Socialists making use of this site. I’m an LPer, but it is always useful to hear other voices presenting their cases.

]]> by: Ayn R. Key http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594700 Tue, 06 May 2008 13:23:06 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-594700 Oh be nice Libertarian Joseph. Some forums are dedicated to opposite ideologies ripping each other. I see this one as having each ideology rip itself. What we need are some socialists to tell this socialist how much his plan sucks, that way this thread balances the libertarian threads. Oh be nice Libertarian Joseph. Some forums are dedicated to opposite ideologies ripping each other. I see this one as having each ideology rip itself. What we need are some socialists to tell this socialist how much his plan sucks, that way this thread balances the libertarian threads.

]]> by: Libertarian Joseph http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-593942 Tue, 06 May 2008 02:59:32 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-593942 socialism IS why the economy is faltering socialism IS why the economy is faltering

]]> by: Mike Theodore http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-593872 Tue, 06 May 2008 02:09:50 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/brian-moore-to-address-how-socialism-is-ready-to-transition-faltering-us-economy/#comment-593872 Is there any online socialist radio? All I see is Moore on local stations. Is there any online socialist radio? All I see is Moore on local stations.

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