Comments on: The anti-endorsements of Libertarian Party presidential candidates http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/ Sun, 20 Jul 2008 02:41:01 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=1.5.1.3 by: Alex Peak http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-598869 Fri, 09 May 2008 02:41:56 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-598869 Ooo, anti-endorsements! :) Ooo, anti-endorsements! :)

]]> by: Thane Eichenauer http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-598580 Thu, 08 May 2008 23:08:06 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-598580 I don't think many Libertarians are likely to be choose to cast their vote for Mike Gravel. However should anybody have an interest in Becky Isais' claim ElfNinosMom has a post <a href="http://lastfreevoice.wordpress.com/2008/05/08/becky-isais-substantiation-of-gravel-compensation-claims/" rel="nofollow">here.</a> I don’t think many Libertarians are likely to be choose to cast their vote for Mike Gravel. However should anybody have an interest in Becky Isais’ claim ElfNinosMom has a post here.

]]> by: James Babb http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-596303 Wed, 07 May 2008 17:27:36 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-596303 Half of the batch aren't even vaguely Libertarian. Drug warriors, war mongers, central planners and mental cases. WTF? Bob Barr voted for the Patriot Act for gods' sake! None of the current batch can hold a candle to Michael Badnarik. Who was a great candidate and is a fantastic former-candidate. Half of the batch aren’t even vaguely Libertarian. Drug warriors, war mongers, central planners and mental cases. WTF?

Bob Barr voted for the Patriot Act for gods’ sake!

None of the current batch can hold a candle to Michael Badnarik. Who was a great candidate and is a fantastic former-candidate.

]]> by: Thomas M. Sipos http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-595004 Tue, 06 May 2008 17:50:03 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-595004 Becky, I don't know anything about Gravel stealing $1000 from you. But your claim is dubious unless you identify yourself (full name) and provide some link or other means to verify your identity. I don't give much credence to anonymous posts. Becky, I don’t know anything about Gravel stealing $1000 from you. But your claim is dubious unless you identify yourself (full name) and provide some link or other means to verify your identity.

I don’t give much credence to anonymous posts.

]]> by: Becky http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594999 Tue, 06 May 2008 17:46:21 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594999 I DO NOT want Mike Gravel as President he has stolen from me &#38; my family. He owes me $1000.00 &#38; chooses to fly around America promoting his book rather than pay me. Not a good choice for an honest Candidate right? I DO NOT want Mike Gravel as President he has stolen from me & my family. He owes me $1000.00 & chooses to fly around America promoting his book rather than pay me. Not a good choice for an honest Candidate right?

]]> by: Thomas L. Knapp http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594394 Tue, 06 May 2008 09:14:25 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594394 I'd prefer a Kubby/Ruwart ticket, but in the interests of big tentism, I'm certainly willing to compromise far enough to support a Ruwart/Kubby ticket. Anything beyond that range begins to strain my ecumenicalism. I’d prefer a Kubby/Ruwart ticket, but in the interests of big tentism, I’m certainly willing to compromise far enough to support a Ruwart/Kubby ticket. Anything beyond that range begins to strain my ecumenicalism.

]]> by: mdh http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594302 Tue, 06 May 2008 08:02:11 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594302 You quote "the moderate voice" as saying "The anti-war Republicans are probably already supporting Ron Paul and will likely shift over to the Democrats in November." This shows that those folks have a clear misunderstanding of Ron Paul's supporters, only a tiny minority of whom would vote for a socialist like Obama or Clinton. My guess would be that the percentage of Ron Paul supporters voting for the democratic nominee will be about the same as the percentage voting for McCain, and that both groups won't equal 1% of Ron Paul's supporters. You quote “the moderate voice” as saying “The anti-war Republicans are probably already supporting Ron Paul and will likely shift over to the Democrats in November.”

This shows that those folks have a clear misunderstanding of Ron Paul’s supporters, only a tiny minority of whom would vote for a socialist like Obama or Clinton. My guess would be that the percentage of Ron Paul supporters voting for the democratic nominee will be about the same as the percentage voting for McCain, and that both groups won’t equal 1% of Ron Paul’s supporters.

]]> by: Michael Seebeck http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594227 Tue, 06 May 2008 06:54:42 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594227 Hey Thomas, I think you forgot a couple of combinations as being acceptable there! :) Hey Thomas, I think you forgot a couple of combinations as being acceptable there! :)

]]> by: Michael Seebeck http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594225 Tue, 06 May 2008 06:53:32 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594225 Gene, that makes better sense. It didn't at first. Gene, that makes better sense. It didn’t at first.

]]> by: Thomas M. Sipos http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594211 Tue, 06 May 2008 06:44:14 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594211 Stefan: "I also fully agree a Barr-Ruwart ticket would be optimal" I think a Gravel/Phillies ticket may be a good compromise. Root and Barr appeals to liberventionists (more so Root than Barr). Ruwart and Kubby are the purists. Gravel/Phillies might be acceptable to most. Though I can be happy with Ruwart or Kubby, as well as with Gravel or Phillies. Stefan: “I also fully agree a Barr-Ruwart ticket would be optimal”

I think a Gravel/Phillies ticket may be a good compromise.

Root and Barr appeals to liberventionists (more so Root than Barr). Ruwart and Kubby are the purists. Gravel/Phillies might be acceptable to most.

Though I can be happy with Ruwart or Kubby, as well as with Gravel or Phillies.

]]> by: Stefan http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594076 Tue, 06 May 2008 05:13:04 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-594076 Doug, I fully agree with your observation that Root and Barr do not represent the same voter block if you study both of them in detail. Root seems to me very "neolibertarian": very hawkish in military way and he still believes in the "doctrine" spread by the Bush admin, that terrorists attack the US because of "freedom and prosperity". He is also pro-choice and much more social liberal than Bar, who is pro-life and Barr would make a much stronger appeal to social conservatives, in the GOP especially (who feel disaffected by McCain). Barr, who grew up in Tehran, Iran among others, has a much better understanding of the Middle East, also with his CIA experiences. He condemned the arrogance of US foreign policy, while one has not not heard such criticism by Root. Root's beef witht he GOP is more with domestic issues, think they were too much influenced by the "religious right" etc. Barr would be much more non-interventionist and pro-peace than Root. On a personal level they seems quite different also: Root seems like a friendly, dynamic guy, but he works as arrogant and can react emotionally and over hastily at times and people either like him or not at all. He seems to be more a divisive figure, not such a team player. Barr again seems more serious, but behind that he has a good sense of humor also and is likeable and nice, as he is open, not dominant and not arrogant in any way. He also seems to be more like a team player, that would like to involve all and work towards the good of the party, not himself in the first sense, not that he has not persona ambitions as well (which is also needed, motivating power). Root may have good connected with millions of power players etc. one expects actually a strong fund raising potential, as the poker players are often affluent people and he has small business contacts.. One wonders how much money he has raised. Root has mentioned that Barry Goldwater was his idol and that he father co-founder the COnservative Party in NY. (Well, the CP in NY supports only conservative candidates the GOP fields and they are staunchly pro-life, as far as I know, not pro-choice like Root. One wonders where Root's father stood on this issue. Being from New York and having lived in California and Nevada, Root probably has good contacts in these areas and would attract most support Barr has very good political contacts again and also very good political experience. He was born in Iowa, studied at Berkleley and then active in Georgia. During his student years he was active with the young Democrats. One wonders whether has has been acquainted with Reagan during this time already. Barr has experience running campaigns for congress as well as for the senate. He seems to be much more articulate than Root. Barr would be able to make a better appeal to "middle America", in the southern states but also in others. Personally, I also fully agree a Barr-Ruwart ticket would be optimal for various reasons, both to unify the LP as well as attract new voters to the LP form all sectors. They both have a strong bound to the philosophy of Ron Paul as a common denominator and think on a personal level they would also work well as a team. Ruwart-Barr in the same way, but perhaps it is the best to have Barr on the top of the ticket as he can deliver more a forceful, strong campaign while Ruwart is more mild mannered and very intelligent and smart on the issues. She could answer to the details of libertarian philosophy with practical examples, while Barr can "sell" the theoretical underpinnings of the LP. Doug,
I fully agree with your observation that Root and Barr do not represent the same voter block if you study both of them in detail. Root seems to me very “neolibertarian”: very hawkish in military way and he still believes in the “doctrine” spread by the Bush admin, that terrorists attack the US because of “freedom and prosperity”. He is also pro-choice and much more social liberal than Bar, who is pro-life and Barr would make a much stronger appeal to social conservatives, in the GOP especially (who feel disaffected by McCain). Barr, who grew up in Tehran, Iran among others, has a much better understanding of the Middle East, also with his CIA experiences. He condemned the arrogance of US foreign policy, while one has not not heard such criticism by Root. Root’s beef witht he GOP is more with domestic issues, think they were too much influenced by the “religious right” etc. Barr would be much more non-interventionist and pro-peace than Root.
On a personal level they seems quite different also: Root seems like a friendly, dynamic guy, but he works as arrogant and can react emotionally and over hastily at times and people either like him or not at all. He seems to be more a divisive figure, not such a team player. Barr again seems more serious, but behind that he has a good sense of humor also and is likeable and nice, as he is open, not dominant and not arrogant in any way. He also seems to be more like a team player, that would like to involve all and work towards the good of the party, not himself in the first sense, not that he has not persona ambitions as well (which is also needed, motivating power).

Root may have good connected with millions of power players etc. one expects actually a strong fund raising potential, as the poker players are often affluent people and he has small business contacts.. One wonders how much money he has raised. Root has mentioned that Barry Goldwater was his idol and that he father co-founder the COnservative Party in NY. (Well, the CP in NY supports only conservative candidates the GOP fields and they are staunchly pro-life, as far as I know, not pro-choice like Root. One wonders where Root’s father stood on this issue. Being from New York and having lived in California and Nevada, Root probably has good contacts in these areas and would attract most support

Barr has very good political contacts again and also very good political experience. He was born in Iowa, studied at Berkleley and then active in Georgia. During his student years he was active with the young Democrats. One wonders whether has has been acquainted with Reagan during this time already. Barr has experience running campaigns for congress as well as for the senate. He seems to be much more articulate than Root. Barr would be able to make a better appeal to “middle America”, in the southern states but also in others.

Personally, I also fully agree a Barr-Ruwart ticket would be optimal for various reasons, both to unify the LP as well as attract new voters to the LP form all sectors. They both have a strong bound to the philosophy of Ron Paul as a common denominator and think on a personal level they would also work well as a team. Ruwart-Barr in the same way, but perhaps it is the best to have Barr on the top of the ticket as he can deliver more a forceful, strong campaign while Ruwart is more mild mannered and very intelligent and smart on the issues. She could answer to the details of libertarian philosophy with practical examples, while Barr can “sell” the theoretical underpinnings of the LP.

]]> by: Gene Berkman http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-593922 Tue, 06 May 2008 02:49:17 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-593922 Mike, What I am saying is that I wont' vote for someone if by voting for them I show I have no standards. Sorry if the antecedent was not clear. Mike,

What I am saying is that I wont’ vote for someone if by voting for them I show I have no standards. Sorry if the antecedent was not clear.

]]> by: Bill Wood http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-593830 Tue, 06 May 2008 01:38:50 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-593830 Maybe its just me, but, we've watched Phillies, Root, Kubby, Smith, Milnes and others work hard to campaign, trying to win our support and to spread the word about the Libertarian Party. They have spent time, money and have been assaulted with attacks from everywhere. I guess I feel they at least have tried to earn the nomination. I feel Bob Barr has waited to long to seek our nomination, its 7 May, and he is not thrown his hat in the ring. I know life isn't fair etc, but I feel we need to support someone who has worked at earning the nomination. Maybe its just me, but, we’ve watched Phillies, Root, Kubby, Smith, Milnes and others work hard to campaign, trying to win our support and to spread the word about the Libertarian Party. They have spent time, money and have been assaulted with attacks from everywhere. I guess I feel they at least have tried to earn the nomination. I feel Bob Barr has waited to long to seek our nomination, its 7 May, and he is not thrown his hat in the ring. I know life isn’t fair etc, but I feel we need to support someone who has worked at earning the nomination.

]]> by: Bill http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-593724 Tue, 06 May 2008 00:04:13 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-593724 Steve, Obama will get out a lot sooner than HRC or McBush (Though not NEARLY as soon as I would like. And McBush Flip flopped on Torture. That one scares me, as he went through h*** due to it. A Democrat against torture and the war? Steve...Steve..Steve. How could you forget Ohio's Own Dennis Kucinich. Steve,

Obama will get out a lot sooner than HRC or McBush (Though not NEARLY as soon as I would like. And McBush Flip flopped on Torture. That one scares me, as he went through h*** due to it.

A Democrat against torture and the war? Steve…Steve..Steve. How could you forget Ohio’s Own

Dennis Kucinich.

]]> by: Michael Seebeck http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-593697 Mon, 05 May 2008 23:46:35 +0000 http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/05/the-anti-endorsements-of-libertarian-party-presidential-candidates/#comment-593697 Uh, Gene, that last part of the last sentence didn't make any sense. The rest did, but it got lost at "if by doing so I show that I have no standards that are worth upholding." The way that's written, that implies that a NOTA vote shows you have no standards. I really don't think so, but to be clear, is that what you are trying to say? Uh, Gene, that last part of the last sentence didn’t make any sense. The rest did, but it got lost at “if by doing so I show that I have no standards that are worth upholding.”

The way that’s written, that implies that a NOTA vote shows you have no standards. I really don’t think so, but to be clear, is that what you are trying to say?

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