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	<title>Comments on: Unsolicited Advice for Bob Barr</title>
	<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/</link>
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		<title>by: Yank</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597979</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 14:50:13 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597979</guid>
					<description>What about both Seebecks's assess? 2 4 1!</description>
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		<title>by: Alex Peak</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597498</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:49:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597498</guid>
					<description>[I accidentally hit submit before finishing, or even deciding whether I wanted to actually post this.  Oh well.  I guess I'll continue...]

Whereas I have no problem with him voting for the sun-set provisions, if you &lt;i&gt;know from the start&lt;/i&gt; that it's a bad bill, then it's your responsibility to do what Ron Paul did: vote against it.  Mr. Barr did not fulfill that responsibility.

I disagree with Barr on abortion.  (At least, I'm told he's in favour of regulating it.  If that is incorrect, I apologise to him.)  I, on the other hand, agree with Harry Browne that a war on abortion will fail so miserably, within five years of starting such a war, even men will be having abortions.

I disagree with Barr on taxation.  Ideally, I'd like to see all taxes abolished.  But failing that, the second-best option is that put forward by Root: place a tax on the states and give them the responsibility of collecting.  Mr. Barr, on the other hand, wants to focus on the FairTax, which I believe can be very detrimental to the libertarian movement.

I don't like how Mr. Barr still, from time to time, uses the term &quot;conservative&quot; with a positive connotation.  Libertarianism is it's own unique ideology that finds flaws with both liberalism and conservatism.  Notice that my last sentence does not alienate liberals or conservatives, because when one hears that you question both sides, the liberals and conservatives are both more willing to listen and consider respectfully your objections.  But when you favour one term over the other, you immediately push away voters from the side whose term you are not using.  Whereas Browne was able to get votes from both the Democrats and the Republicans, I fear Barr will only be able to get votes from Republicans.

This is, in a nutshell, why I fear Barr.  If he makes a few minor changes, he would be an amazing candidate.  But until then, I remain afraid.

Respectfully,
Alex Peak</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>[I accidentally hit submit before finishing, or even deciding whether I wanted to actually post this.  Oh well.  I guess I&#8217;ll continue&#8230;]</p>
	<p>Whereas I have no problem with him voting for the sun-set provisions, if you <i>know from the start</i> that it&#8217;s a bad bill, then it&#8217;s your responsibility to do what Ron Paul did: vote against it.  Mr. Barr did not fulfill that responsibility.</p>
	<p>I disagree with Barr on abortion.  (At least, I&#8217;m told he&#8217;s in favour of regulating it.  If that is incorrect, I apologise to him.)  I, on the other hand, agree with Harry Browne that a war on abortion will fail so miserably, within five years of starting such a war, even men will be having abortions.</p>
	<p>I disagree with Barr on taxation.  Ideally, I&#8217;d like to see all taxes abolished.  But failing that, the second-best option is that put forward by Root: place a tax on the states and give them the responsibility of collecting.  Mr. Barr, on the other hand, wants to focus on the FairTax, which I believe can be very detrimental to the libertarian movement.</p>
	<p>I don&#8217;t like how Mr. Barr still, from time to time, uses the term &#8220;conservative&#8221; with a positive connotation.  Libertarianism is it&#8217;s own unique ideology that finds flaws with both liberalism and conservatism.  Notice that my last sentence does not alienate liberals or conservatives, because when one hears that you question both sides, the liberals and conservatives are both more willing to listen and consider respectfully your objections.  But when you favour one term over the other, you immediately push away voters from the side whose term you are not using.  Whereas Browne was able to get votes from both the Democrats and the Republicans, I fear Barr will only be able to get votes from Republicans.</p>
	<p>This is, in a nutshell, why I fear Barr.  If he makes a few minor changes, he would be an amazing candidate.  But until then, I remain afraid.</p>
	<p>Respectfully,<br />
Alex Peak</p>
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		<title>by: Alex Peak</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597484</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 07:36:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597484</guid>
					<description>I disagree with Barr on the drug war.  He supports it very strongly at the state level, whereas I agree with Dr. Paul that the states should do away with their laws on drug use.

I disagree with Barr on immigration.  He supports non-market (&lt;i&gt;i.e.&lt;/i&gt; unnatural, or government-based) regulations on immigration, whereas I believe such regulations simply distort the market and hurt the economy, while helping no one (except maybe labour unions).

I disagree with Barr on the USA PATRIOT Act.  He believes it's okay to vote for it as long as you also vote to sun-set some of its more egregious aspects.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I disagree with Barr on the drug war.  He supports it very strongly at the state level, whereas I agree with Dr. Paul that the states should do away with their laws on drug use.</p>
	<p>I disagree with Barr on immigration.  He supports non-market (<i>i.e.</i> unnatural, or government-based) regulations on immigration, whereas I believe such regulations simply distort the market and hurt the economy, while helping no one (except maybe labour unions).</p>
	<p>I disagree with Barr on the <span class="caps">USA PATRIOT </span>Act.  He believes it&#8217;s okay to vote for it as long as you also vote to sun-set some of its more egregious aspects.</p>
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		<title>by: Tom</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597378</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 06:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597378</guid>
					<description>To the person who asked, the difference between now and when Paul ran for president in 1988 is huge.  In 1988 the country was in the middle of the Reagan boom and the conservative party was united.  This year is much closer in resemblance to 1992 when the economy was in recession and the republican base was becoming disillusioned with Bush I and Perot broke through.  

On a different note, even though the majority of the base for Barr might be described as the more conservative libertarian leaning Republicans, I'm finding it much easier to talk to Obama people than McCain people into possibly switching over to a vote for Barr.  The Obama people I know remember Barr from his appearance on the Bullshit episode on the Patriot Act; so there's a passing familiarity on the other side as well.  When it comes to the issues, I find that Obama people are far more interested in talking about real change whereas McCain people are largely stead-fast one issue voters that are not going to budge.  When I articulate the differences between what Obama and Barr plan to do and what it will mean I'm finding that Obama's ideas are not as popular as what it is he represents.  And what he represents has been relatively easy to deconstruct and present an alternative that appeals to every individual's common sense.  Barr is a crucial peace to this though.  He is the only candidate that will get that conservative base and the libertarian party needs that base if it ever plans on becoming a serious opposition party.  If the libertarian party fails to nominate Barr then unfortunately they are truly hopeless.  The window of opportunity is right now.  Get that 5%-8% in the general, take the Federal funding, and watch the momentum build around you to 2012 and 2016.  If you're really serious about making a real difference in government through the libertarian party this is it.  Shit or get off the pot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>To the person who asked, the difference between now and when Paul ran for president in 1988 is huge.  In 1988 the country was in the middle of the Reagan boom and the conservative party was united.  This year is much closer in resemblance to 1992 when the economy was in recession and the republican base was becoming disillusioned with Bush I and Perot broke through.</p>
	<p>On a different note, even though the majority of the base for Barr might be described as the more conservative libertarian leaning Republicans, I&#8217;m finding it much easier to talk to Obama people than McCain people into possibly switching over to a vote for Barr.  The Obama people I know remember Barr from his appearance on the Bullshit episode on the Patriot Act; so there&#8217;s a passing familiarity on the other side as well.  When it comes to the issues, I find that Obama people are far more interested in talking about real change whereas McCain people are largely stead-fast one issue voters that are not going to budge.  When I articulate the differences between what Obama and Barr plan to do and what it will mean I&#8217;m finding that Obama&#8217;s ideas are not as popular as what it is he represents.  And what he represents has been relatively easy to deconstruct and present an alternative that appeals to every individual&#8217;s common sense.  Barr is a crucial peace to this though.  He is the only candidate that will get that conservative base and the libertarian party needs that base if it ever plans on becoming a serious opposition party.  If the libertarian party fails to nominate Barr then unfortunately they are truly hopeless.  The window of opportunity is right now.  Get that 5%-8% in the general, take the Federal funding, and watch the momentum build around you to 2012 and 2016.  If you&#8217;re really serious about making a real difference in government through the libertarian party this is it.  Shit or get off the pot.</p>
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		<title>by: Sean Scallon</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597203</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 04:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-597203</guid>
					<description>A man scared of a puffed up buffoon like Saddam Hussein would be scared of his own shadow. Too bad too many U.S. troops had to die because of the cowards who masquerade and call themelves &quot;conservatives&quot; or &quot;libertarians&quot;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>A man scared of a puffed up buffoon like Saddam Hussein would be scared of his own shadow. Too bad too many U.S. troops had to die because of the cowards who masquerade and call themelves &#8220;conservatives&#8221; or &#8220;libertarians&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596876</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 May 2008 00:19:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596876</guid>
					<description>ROFLMAO!</description>
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		<title>by: Mike Theodore</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596822</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596822</guid>
					<description>wow. XXX site here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>wow. <span class="caps">XXX</span> site here.</p>
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		<title>by: Lidia Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596808</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 23:17:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596808</guid>
					<description>The question is, will I use it (the whip, d'uh) impartially? I won't touch the rest of that in public...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The question is, will I use it (the whip, d&#8217;uh) impartially? I won&#8217;t touch the rest of that in public&#8230;</p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596777</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:46:23 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596777</guid>
					<description>Well, now we know Lidia is the CA delegation whip in Denver! ROFL!

And Yank should stay clear.  Lidia's ass is mine and only mine! (and vice versa!) :D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Well, now we know Lidia is the CA delegation whip in Denver! <span class="caps">ROFL</span>!</p>
	<p>And Yank should stay clear.  Lidia&#8217;s ass is mine and only mine! (and vice versa!) <img src='http://thirdpartywatch.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>by: Lidia Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596773</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:43:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596773</guid>
					<description>Yeah, Allen, that's dangerous talk around a guy like that. 

*discreetly hiding a whip behind me in case Yank comes around*</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Yeah, Allen, that&#8217;s dangerous talk around a guy like that.</p>
	<p><strong>discreetly hiding a whip behind me in case Yank comes around</strong></p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596750</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596750</guid>
					<description>Allen,

Ah, OK, I get it. LOL :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Allen,</p>
	<p>Ah, OK, I get it. <span class="caps">LOL </span>:)</p>
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		<title>by: Allen Hacker</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596736</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:13:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596736</guid>
					<description>Right, Michael,

No problem.  I was complimenting your wit over Yank's rut.  Rut?  He wishes.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Right, Michael,</p>
	<p>No problem.  I was complimenting your wit over Yank&#8217;s rut.  Rut?  He wishes.</p>
	<p><del>0</del></p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596735</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 22:11:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596735</guid>
					<description>Different locations, different computers, Mike. :)

And yes, we are a LP tag team, but we won't be taking on Glen Jacobs and Sean Morely anytime soon (except maybe for lunch).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Different locations, different computers, Mike. <img src='http://thirdpartywatch.com/wp-images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
	<p>And yes, we are a LP tag team, but we won&#8217;t be taking on Glen Jacobs and Sean Morely anytime soon (except maybe for lunch).</p>
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		<title>by: Mike Theodore</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596704</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596704</guid>
					<description>One Seebeck. Two Seebeck's?! Woo! Why are you two on different computers?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>One Seebeck. Two Seebeck&#8217;s?! Woo! Why are you two on different computers?</p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596699</link>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 May 2008 21:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/06/unsolicited-advice-for-bob-barr/#comment-596699</guid>
					<description>More like eye-rolling, head-shaking, amused sighing and chuckling...

I can see why you'd not like him calling me slime, but it's what he's familiar with...and when in doubt, he goes back to what he knows...see the other recent threads and you'll see what I mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>More like eye-rolling, head-shaking, amused sighing and chuckling&#8230;</p>
	<p>I can see why you&#8217;d not like him calling me slime, but it&#8217;s what he&#8217;s familiar with&#8230;and when in doubt, he goes back to what he knows&#8230;see the other recent threads and you&#8217;ll see what I mean.</p>
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