A real holocaust would be what the FDA does to people. I know, it’s crazy to suggest that our own government might actually do something wrong and cause people to die. Wow, who woulda thunk it. According to Dondero, the government can do no wrong, and that’s “libertarianism.”

May 9th, 2008 at 7:20 pm
Umm, no Andy. I don’t necessarily believe what the government tells me. After all these are the same jerks who fed us all those lies about Oklahoma City being the work of “Right-wing Gun Nuts” with no connections to Saddam Hussein and Iraqi Intelligence, even though 23 witnesses, including a City Councilman and his two staffers, SAW A SECOND TERRORIST RUNNING AWAY FROM THE SCENE FIVE MINUTES AFTER THE BLAST WHO WAS ARAB, along with Timothy McVeigh.”

The Middle Eastern men were let in the country by the US government and were working for the CIA. The OKC bombing was an inside job, just like 9/11.

But I do believe the 20th bomber Zacarais Mussouai (sp?). What reason would Mussouai have to lie? He’s the one bomber who survived. He’s still alive rotting away in a prison cell. During his trial he told the whole story about Al Qaeda conducting the raids.

In order to believe the 9/11 conspiracy kooks you have to completely write off Moussai, and come to think of it, Khalid Sheik Muhammed the Mastermind of 9/11 who we captured, and admitted everything.

Oh, and Bin Laden, and Ayman Al-Zwahiri made it all up too, I guess?

“Anarcho-Libertarians – Thomas Knapp, Mary Ruwart, Steven Kubby, L. Neil Smith.”

Thanks for including me in such a classy crowd, but for some reason you included that crowd as part of the “American Right.” I can’t speak for the other three people above, but I am most manifestly not on the “Right” at all. I’m a Lefty.

Also, as I mentioned to you in an email earlier, I consider being an anarchist and a (big-L) Libertarian to be about as relevant to each other as being a golfer and a Libertarian, a coffee drinker and a Libertarian, etc.

Anarchism is ideologically a subset of libertarianism, but it does not lend itself well to expression in a political party working to influence an electoral system of government.

I’m not interested in using the Libertarian Party to eliminate the state, i.e. implement anarchism. That’s an absurd proposition, as non-party libertarian anarchists will be quick to tell you by way of denouncing the party’s very existence.

A political party’s purpose is to re-shape, not eliminate, the system it is inherently a part of. Granted, the LP wants to dramatically reduce the size and power of the state, and granted its institutional documents don’t preclude eliminating the state, but the party is what it is—part of a system to which the existence of the state is foundational. Elimination of the state would necessarily entail elimination of the party.

I’m involved in the Libertarian Party for two reasons:

One is that while I consider the stateless society the ideal, I see no practical possibility of achieving it in my lifetime, nor do I see my participation in trying to achieve it as especially important, and I therefore to work on more realistic goals which might be realized in my lifetime, like reducing the size, power and scope of government in particular ways. Cutting taxes (maybe even eliminating some of them), but probably not eliminating taxation. Repealing bad laws, but probably not repealing all laws. In other words, for me anarchism is dreaming the dreamable, while political work in the LP is doing the doable. I try not to confuse the two.

The second reason is that I’m a junkie. No two ways about it. I love electoral politics. I love walking precincts and kissing hands and shaking babies and asking for votes and debating opponents and working the polling place on Election Day and bashing it up with the enemy. I love winning, too. I’d like to do more of it. Not so badly that I’m willing to give up my goals and adopt goals I don’t agree with just to be able to take a victory lap, but when I CAN win for the goals I DO hold, that’s a rush. And when I can’t win for those goals, well, I probably learned something in losing that will help me do better next time and that’s a rush, too.

May 9th, 2008 at 7:51 am
9/11 was a Holocaust against innocent Americans by Muslim Radicals.

3000 innocent Americans died on that day.

Anyone who engages in kooky consipracy theories like Cheney or Haliburton were actually behind the attacks and not Al Qaeda is no different from the David Macko’s of the world, or that freak in Austria who wrote all those books denying that the Holocaust ever happened.

In short, 9/11 Conspiracy Theorists are Holocaust Deniers, and should be treated the same: Loudly Denounced, Shamed, and Spit on.”

So let’s throw any rational discussion out the window. Believe what the government tells you to believe or be yelled at and spit upon.

The truth of the matter is that Eric Donder is SCARED SHITLESS that 9/11 Truthers could be correct because 9/11 Truthers being correct will bring his entire world crashing down. He’d have to admitt that he’s been wrong all of these years and for him admitting that he’s wrong would be the worst possible thing to happen to him. He’d prefer to engage in anti-intellectualism than to question his beliefs.

Distinguished University Professor in the Department of Geosciences, University of Massachusetts – Amherst. Elected to the National Academy of Sciences in 1983. Former Chair, National Academy of Science’s Space Science Board Committee on Planetary Biology and Chemical Evolution. Recipient of the National Medal of Science, America’s highest honor for scientific achievement, in 1999, presented by President William J. Clinton. The Library of Congress, Washington, DC, announced in 1998 that it will permanently archive Dr. Margulis’ papers. President of Sigma Xi, the scientific research society, from 2005 – 2006. Recipient of the Proctor Prize for scientific achievement in 1999 from Sigma Xi. Prior to moving to the University of Massachusetts, Dr. Margulis was a faculty member at Boston University for 22 years. Her publications span a wide-range of scientific topics, and include original contributions to cell biology and microbial evolution. Dr. Margulis is best known for contributions to evolution, especially the theory of symbiogenesis. For more information on Dr. Margulis’ career, please visit

http://www.chelseagreen.com/authors/LynnMargulis and http://www.sciencewriters.org.

Author of over 130 scientific works and numerous books. Recent publications include Mind, Life, and Universe (2007 with Eduardo Punset), Dazzle Gradually: Reflections on the Nature of Nature (2007, co-authored with Dorion Sagan), Symbiotic Planet: A New Look at Evolution (1998), Acquiring Genomes: A Theory of the Origins of Species (2002, with Dorion Sagan), Early Life: Evolution on the Precambrian Earth (2002, second edition with Michael F. Dolan), Luminous Fish: Tales of Science and Love (2006), What is Sex? (1997, with Dorion Sagan), What is Life? (1995, with Dorion Sagan), Mystery Dance: On the Evolution of Human Sexuality (1991, with Dorion Sagan), Microcosmos: Four Billion Years of Evolution From Our Microbial Ancestors (1986, with Dorion Sagan), and Origins of Sex: Three Billion Years of Genetic Recombination (1986, with Dorion Sagan), Kingdoms and Domains: Illustrated Guide to the Phyla of Life on Earth (4th edition, co-authored by Michael J. Chapman, Academic Press, 2008 in press), Symbiosis in Cell Evolution (second edition, 1993).
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* Statement to this website 8/27/07: “The 9/11 tragedy is the most successful and most perverse publicity stunt in the history of public relations. I arrive at this conclusion largely as the result of the research and clear writing by David Ray Griffin in his fabulous books about 9/11. I first met him when he was a speaker at a scholarly conference unrelated to 9/11. He immediately impressed me as a brilliant, outstanding philosopher – theologian – author, a Whiteheadian scholar motivated by an intense curiosity to know everything possible about the world.

On the plane home and for the next two days I did little else but read Griffin’s first book about 9/11, The New Pearl Harbor. From there I went on to read his even more disturbing account of the bogus 9/11 Commission Report, The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions, which provides overwhelming evidence that the official story is contradictory, incomplete, and unbelievable.

It is clear to me that David Ray Griffin and his fellow critics are correct: the 9/11 “new Pearl Harbor” was planned in astonishing detail and carried out through the efforts of a sophisticated and large network of operatives. It was more complex and far more successful than the Allende assassination, the US bombing of our own ship the “Maine” that began the Spanish-American war (and brought us Guam, Puerto Rico, Cuba, and the Philippines), the Reichstag fire that was used to justify the suspension of most civil liberties in Germany in the 1930’s, and even Operation Himmler, which was used by Germany to justify the invasion of Poland, which started World War II.

Whoever is responsible for bringing to grisly fruition this new false-flag operation, which has been used to justify the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq as well as unprecedented assaults on research, education, and civil liberties, must be perversely proud of their efficient handiwork. Certainly, 19 young Arab men and a man in a cave 7,000 miles away, no matter the level of their anger, could not have masterminded and carried out 9/11: the most effective television commercial in the history of Western civilization.

I suggest that those of us aware and concerned demand that the glaringly erroneous official account of 9/11 be dismissed as a fraud and a new, thorough, and impartial investigation be undertaken.”

Lynn Margulis is also the first wife of Carl Sagan.

* Bio: http://www.chelseagreen.com/authors/LynnMargulis

An estimated 2,973 people were killed in the 9/11 attacks. The death toll at the World Trade Center included 60 police officers and 343 firefighters, 87 passengers aboard American Flight 11, 60 on United Flight 175, and over 2,000 occupants and neighbors of the WTC. The death toll at the Pentagon included 125 people from the Pentagon and 64 passengers on American Flight 77. And 44 people lost their lives on United Flight 93.

Many 9/11 survivors and many 9/11 victim family members have expressed significant criticism of the 9/11 Commission Report. Several even allege government complicity in the terrible acts of 9/11.

The public statements of many survivors contradict the Commission Report. And the words and actions of some of the victims on that terrible day are in conflict with the Commission Report. This section is a collection of their statements. This website is not an organization and it should be made clear that none of these individuals are affiliated with this website.

Listed below are statements by more than 200 9/11 survivors, victims and family members that contradict or are critical of the 9/11 Commission Report. Their collective voices give credibility to the claim that the 9/11 Commission Report is tragically flawed.

These individuals cannot be simply dismissed as irresponsible believers in some 9/11 conspiracy theory. Their statements are based on their intimate familiarity with and intense study of the events of 9/11. Their criticism of the Commission Report is not inherently irresponsible or illogical, In fact, it is based on their desire to honor the victims of that terrible day by finding the truth and bringing to justice those responsible for these terrible acts.

http://patriotsquestion911.com/survivors.html

You should be ashamed of yourself for propagating such ignorance!

How dare you equate the victims families with holocaust deniers!

www.911pressfortruth.com

David Boaz, Snr. VP of Cato even said this the other night on “Libertarian Politics Live” – that the views between the two groups, particularly on the War are almost identical. But due to personal differences, the Cato-ites refuse to associate with Rockwell. So, a new crossover category, meaning the same thing philosophically, but using a different name, might be in order.

“Beltway Paleo-libertarians”???

Note significant ovelap between the Libertarian category and the Libertarian Conservative category. For instance, Walter Williams could easily fit into both groups. Same for Jona Goldberg of National Review.

Also, there’s significant overlap between the Anarcho-Libertarians and Paleo-Libertarians.

Finally, a great deal of overlap between the Paleo-Cons and the Religious Right/NeoCon category. In fact, the members of both seem to fluctuate depending on the political climate. Howard Phillips for instance in the 1980s, called himself a “NeoCon,” one of the top leaders of the “New Right.” Ditto for Phyllis Schaffley. Now both prefer the term Paleo-Con.

But both groups fall comfortably under the unbrella of “Religous Right.” So, it might be best to create a single category for them under RR.

Moderate/Centrists – Olympia Snowe, Arlen Specter, Log Cabin Clubs, Ripon Society, Ann Stone & Republicans for Choice.

Centrist Conservatives – George W. Bush, John McCain, Bob Dole.

Conservatives – Rick Santorum, Tom DeLay, Orin Hatch, Mark Levin, Laura Ingraham.

Libertarian Conservatives – Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Thomas Sowell, National Review, HotAir.com, Michell Malkin.

NeoCons/New Right – Howard Phillips, Pat Robertson, Jerry Falwell, Richard Viguerie, Paul Weyrich, Phyllis Schaffley.

Old Right/Paleo-Cons – Michael Savage, Pat Buchanan, Tom Tancredo, Jim Gilcrhist, John Birch Society.

Libertarians – Jeff Flake, Butch Otter, Dana Rohrabacher, Walter Williams, Dennis Miller, PJ O’Rourke, Larry Elder, Neal Boortz, John Stossell, Tammy Bruce, Club for Growth, Grover Norquist, Sam Adams Alliance.

(Cato, Reason, skirting the edge between “Libertarians” and “Anti-War Libertarians”).

Paleo-Libertarians/Anti-War Libertarians – Ron Paul, Justin Raimondo, Eric Garris, Lew Rockwell, Jeffrey Tucker.

Anarcho-Libertarians – Thomas Knapp, Mary Ruwart, Steven Kubby, L. Neil Smith.