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		<title>by: Conspiracy Theorist</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-605793</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 05:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The Constitution Party consists of bigots and bible thumpers only interested in furthering their skewed view of the founders. It is not a proper Constitution Party. On the ohter hand there is a Constitutionalist Party that is very much concerned with upholding a strict interpretation of the constitution. They are the one's who should get the Constitution Party's publicity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>The Constitution Party consists of bigots and bible thumpers only interested in furthering their skewed view of the founders. It is not a proper Constitution Party. On the ohter hand there is a Constitutionalist Party that is very much concerned with upholding a strict interpretation of the constitution. They are the one&#8217;s who should get the Constitution Party&#8217;s publicity.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-602649</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 15:53:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-602649</guid>
					<description>Red - The corn subsidy argument is not a dodge. Obviously, individual drug dealers would love it if they and only they (or they and their closest friends) were allowed to legally deal in drugs, or if they got subsidies from the government, or if they were otherwise shielded from competition while still enjoying the legal protections of the government. Just ask Merck, Pfizer, Lilly, etc. The average corn (corn, not porn) dealer would not want to go to the black market. But if corn and all substitutes for it (i.e. essentially all food) were banned, a new type of individual would move in to reap the profits -- i.e. a thug. Case in point: The CEO of Coors is not the same type of person as Al Capone.

But this, along with Bill Woolsey's comments, prove we are comparing apples to acorns. Food, drugs, and child porn are all vastly different from one another. I am mostly playing devil's advocate by defending Mary's right to broach the subject. If child porn (the possession and sale, not the production) were legal, I still think it would be in the shadows. There may even be more vigilante justice against perverts to keep it in the shadows. Like I've said before, I've made the case that the sale of child porn constitutes an act of aggression just as a hired killing does.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Red &#8211; The corn subsidy argument is not a dodge. Obviously, individual drug dealers would love it if they and only they (or they and their closest friends) were allowed to legally deal in drugs, or if they got subsidies from the government, or if they were otherwise shielded from competition while still enjoying the legal protections of the government. Just ask Merck, Pfizer, Lilly, etc. The average corn (corn, not porn) dealer would not want to go to the black market. But if corn and all substitutes for it (i.e. essentially all food) were banned, a new type of individual would move in to reap the profits&#8212;i.e. a thug. Case in point: The <span class="caps">CEO</span> of Coors is not the same type of person as Al Capone.</p>
	<p>But this, along with Bill Woolsey&#8217;s comments, prove we are comparing apples to acorns. Food, drugs, and child porn are all vastly different from one another. I am mostly playing devil&#8217;s advocate by defending Mary&#8217;s right to broach the subject. If child porn (the possession and sale, not the production) were legal, I still think it would be in the shadows. There may even be more vigilante justice against perverts to keep it in the shadows. Like I&#8217;ve said before, I&#8217;ve made the case that the sale of child porn constitutes an act of aggression just as a hired killing does.</p>
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		<title>by: Red Phillips</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-602472</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 13:33:54 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-602472</guid>
					<description>G.E., bringing up farm subsidies, etc. is a dodge. That was not my point, and I am sure you know that. My point is that libertarians don't even listen to their own logic sometimes. A legal prohibition on child porn manifestly increases the actual cost - money and other more significant costs (jail, humiliation, sex offender status, etc.) - to the would-be consumer. Therefore it decreases the consumption of child porn if basic economic theory is to be believed. Unless you are arguing that the demand for child porn is completely inelastic. Where is the evidence for that? It might increase the profits of a small criminal class willing to go there, but this trash is too hot for even most &quot;respectable&quot; criminals. I have had some slight professional (not as a criminal I swear) interaction with the court system on this issue, and child porn is actually very hard to come by. A lot of what is out there is old, and has been extensively catalogued. The ban on child porn is working to some extent at least, and no amount of libertarian ideological blindness can change that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>G.E., bringing up farm subsidies, etc. is a dodge. That was not my point, and I am sure you know that. My point is that libertarians don&#8217;t even listen to their own logic sometimes. A legal prohibition on child porn manifestly increases the actual cost &#8211; money and other more significant costs (jail, humiliation, sex offender status, etc.) &#8211; to the would-be consumer. Therefore it decreases the consumption of child porn if basic economic theory is to be believed. Unless you are arguing that the demand for child porn is completely inelastic. Where is the evidence for that? It might increase the profits of a small criminal class willing to go there, but this trash is too hot for even most &#8220;respectable&#8221; criminals. I have had some slight professional (not as a criminal I swear) interaction with the court system on this issue, and child porn is actually very hard to come by. A lot of what is out there is old, and has been extensively catalogued. The ban on child porn is working to some extent at least, and no amount of libertarian ideological blindness can change that.</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-601876</link>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 May 2008 02:19:20 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-601876</guid>
					<description>Protect our religious liberty and separation of church and state.
http://www.firstfreedomfirst.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Protect our religious liberty and separation of church and state.<br />
<a href='http://www.firstfreedomfirst.org/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.firstfreedomfirst.org/</a></p>
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		<title>by: Gary Odom</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-601510</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 18:53:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-601510</guid>
					<description>Don't count out the CP candidates being on the ballot in NY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Don&#8217;t count out the CP candidates being on the ballot in NY</p>
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		<title>by: Bill Woolsey</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-601313</link>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 May 2008 14:30:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-601313</guid>
					<description>G.E. appears to know just enough to be dangerous about the economics of prohibition.

Anyway, to the degree that the purpose of drug prohibition is to help drug abusers (by keeping drugs away from them,) prohibition has some counterproductive affects.  Those who abuse drugs anyway are made much worse off.   On the other hand, this seems likely to deter some people from ever abusing drugs.    (To the degree the aim is to punish
drug abusers, then these counter-productive impacts of prohibition aren't 
such a concern.)

Anyway, prohibtion of the production and sale of child pornography isn't aimed at protecting pedophiles.   That those who use it anyway are worse off isn't a problem.    And detering people from using it, is the point.  But 
it really isn't being done to help the pedophile.

It is actually possible that prohibition will increase the total revenue from
production and sale.   A smaller quantity at a higher price can raise revenue.   Or, it can lower it.   However, it is unlikely existing corn farmers would want to use prohibition of the product as a method of raising total revenue.   And, even if total revenue were to fall from prohibition, that doesn't mean that there won't be more than enough revenue to encourage criminals to produce and sell a smaller quantity
for profit.

The logic of black markets just explains that something isn't likely
to simply disappear because it is banned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>G.E. appears to know just enough to be dangerous about the economics of prohibition.</p>
	<p>Anyway, to the degree that the purpose of drug prohibition is to help drug abusers (by keeping drugs away from them,) prohibition has some counterproductive affects.  Those who abuse drugs anyway are made much worse off.   On the other hand, this seems likely to deter some people from ever abusing drugs.    (To the degree the aim is to punish<br />
drug abusers, then these counter-productive impacts of prohibition aren&#8217;t<br />
such a concern.)</p>
	<p>Anyway, prohibtion of the production and sale of child pornography isn&#8217;t aimed at protecting pedophiles.   That those who use it anyway are worse off isn&#8217;t a problem.    And detering people from using it, is the point.  But<br />
it really isn&#8217;t being done to help the pedophile.</p>
	<p>It is actually possible that prohibition will increase the total revenue from<br />
production and sale.   A smaller quantity at a higher price can raise revenue.   Or, it can lower it.   However, it is unlikely existing corn farmers would want to use prohibition of the product as a method of raising total revenue.   And, even if total revenue were to fall from prohibition, that doesn&#8217;t mean that there won&#8217;t be more than enough revenue to encourage criminals to produce and sell a smaller quantity<br />
for profit.</p>
	<p>The logic of black markets just explains that something isn&#8217;t likely<br />
to simply disappear because it is banned.</p>
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		<title>by: Jose C.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599986</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 01:42:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599986</guid>
					<description>&quot;I still find it amazing how people will reject someone who logically believes that we were created by God rather than by chance coming out of slime after billions of years.&quot;

Haven't you heard. According to the leading Darwinist of our time humans evolved from Crystals!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;I still find it amazing how people will reject someone who logically believes that we were created by God rather than by chance coming out of slime after billions of years.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Haven&#8217;t you heard. According to the leading Darwinist of our time humans evolved from Crystals!</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599931</link>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 May 2008 00:17:22 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599931</guid>
					<description>disinter - You should lay off Baldwin. He has Ron Paul's support. He's a good man and, in the absence of a Ruwart or Kubby victory, will unquestionably be the most &quot;libertarian&quot; (even though he's not libertarian) candidate on your presidential ballot. As president, and that's the office he's running for, he would do nothing to infringe on your rights. Why do you care so much what his personal beliefs may be?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>disinter &#8211; You should lay off Baldwin. He has Ron Paul&#8217;s support. He&#8217;s a good man and, in the absence of a Ruwart or Kubby victory, will unquestionably be the most &#8220;libertarian&#8221; (even though he&#8217;s not libertarian) candidate on your presidential ballot. As president, and that&#8217;s the office he&#8217;s running for, he would do nothing to infringe on your rights. Why do you care so much what his personal beliefs may be?</p>
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		<title>by: disinter</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599877</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 23:10:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599877</guid>
					<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;I demonstrate that you are a “believer” and since those people are “believers” they “believe” what you “believe”?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Now your learnin.  Slowly, but learnin. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;That linguistic trick might work on a five year old but not on grown ups. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Seems to work when Baldwin uses it.</description>
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<blockquote>I demonstrate that you are a &#8220;believer&#8221; and since those people are &#8220;believers&#8221; they &#8220;believe&#8221; what you &#8220;believe&#8221;?</blockquote></p>
	<p>Now your learnin.  Slowly, but learnin.</p>
	<p>
<blockquote>That linguistic trick might work on a five year old but not on grown ups. </blockquote></p>
	<p>Seems to work when Baldwin uses it.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599850</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:28:52 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599850</guid>
					<description>Red - The oil companies and farmers do lobby Congress to have the sale of their products banned (for other people) or regulated to create scarcity. They would prefer to operate from within the &quot;law,&quot; for sure. They would prefer to, as they do, use the government's guns to secure their investments and to shake down the poor of this country. Farmers do make out like bandits now -- and they ARE bandits (some of them, at least). They don't want a free market and they don't have one. If all of the rules and regulations were slashed, then yes, the price of corn would plummet extremely fast. Oil is a different case in that it already is heavily subsidized to keep it &quot;cheaper&quot; to the direct consumer who pays for it through his taxes, or, in the case of my wife's grandfather, with their health and lives. I know conservatives create history out of thin air to make it suit their fantasies, but are you going to allege that alcohol Prohibition did not create more crime, higher prices and profits for the booze-peddlers, and more drinkers after than before it? The neocons and liberals don't have the market on &quot;unpredictable&quot; history cornered, I see.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Red &#8211; The oil companies and farmers do lobby Congress to have the sale of their products banned (for other people) or regulated to create scarcity. They would prefer to operate from within the &#8220;law,&#8221; for sure. They would prefer to, as they do, use the government&#8217;s guns to secure their investments and to shake down the poor of this country. Farmers do make out like bandits now&#8212;and they <span class="caps">ARE</span> bandits (some of them, at least). They don&#8217;t want a free market and they don&#8217;t have one. If all of the rules and regulations were slashed, then yes, the price of corn would plummet extremely fast. Oil is a different case in that it already is heavily subsidized to keep it &#8220;cheaper&#8221; to the direct consumer who pays for it through his taxes, or, in the case of my wife&#8217;s grandfather, with their health and lives. I know conservatives create history out of thin air to make it suit their fantasies, but are you going to allege that alcohol Prohibition did not create more crime, higher prices and profits for the booze-peddlers, and more drinkers after than before it? The neocons and liberals don&#8217;t have the market on &#8220;unpredictable&#8221; history cornered, I see.</p>
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		<title>by: Ben</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599846</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 22:24:06 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Farmers benefit too much from the subsidised ethanol industry.  Congress essentially bans the sale of farm goods by subsidising farmers to leave ground fallow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Farmers benefit too much from the subsidised ethanol industry.  Congress essentially bans the sale of farm goods by subsidising farmers to leave ground fallow.</p>
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		<title>by: Red Phillips</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599798</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:29:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599798</guid>
					<description>G.E., so why are the oil companies, for example, not lobbying Congress to have the sale of petroleum banned? It would drive up costs and enrich them, by your logic. So if Congress proposed a ban on the sale of wheat and corn, farmers would support that because they could then charge higher prices and make out like bandits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>G.E., so why are the oil companies, for example, not lobbying Congress to have the sale of petroleum banned? It would drive up costs and enrich them, by your logic. So if Congress proposed a ban on the sale of wheat and corn, farmers would support that because they could then charge higher prices and make out like bandits?</p>
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		<title>by: johncjackson</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599797</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 21:28:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599797</guid>
					<description>As an atheist I as not offended at all by that quote. In fact I thought it was pretty good coming from a CP candidate. I wouldn't vote for the guy but he seems less offensive than most. Too bad a lot of his followers dont really follow suit and used this post to keep digging a hole.

GE,
I got my Direct Deposit welfare today. if you are using check, you could be waiting until July depending on the last 2 #s in your socialist slave number.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>As an atheist I as not offended at all by that quote. In fact I thought it was pretty good coming from a CP candidate. I wouldn&#8217;t vote for the guy but he seems less offensive than most. Too bad a lot of his followers dont really follow suit and used this post to keep digging a hole.</p>
	<p>GE,<br />
I got my Direct Deposit welfare today. if you are using check, you could be waiting until July depending on the last 2 #s in your socialist slave number.</p>
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		<title>by: G.E.</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599779</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599779</guid>
					<description>D.R. 

1. Okay, I'll be plain. I have not done the amount of research that I'm sure Ms. Ruwart has done on the issue. I do not consider child porn to be a significant problem (i.e. a common one), but maybe I'm wrong. I do find child-sex abuse to be a very serious problem and something far too common that is dealt with far too lightly by state governments. Therefore, I will give a qualified yes to your question, with plenty of caveats. To put it as simply as possible, I would have no problem with the state of Michigan executing an indisputably guilty habitual child molestor. Is that good enough?

2. Federal power is inherently worse than local because the administers of it are far removed from the people who elected them. Why not just let a World Counsul in Beijing determine the curriculum of our public schools? When tyrants are local, they can be ousted more easily.

You say we can argue history another time, but then you make several historically contentious comments: The North was violently and reprehensibly racist as well as the South. Though it seems absurd on the face of it, a credible argument can be made that the North was MORE racist than the South. Regardless, I blame the South's racist legacy, post-Civil War, squarely at the feet of the Republican Party, for its invasion of the South under the false banner of emancipation, and its later Reconstruction. I do not for a moment believe that the Republicans, in general, were interested in the plight of African-Americans beyond getting them to the polling place to vote for them.

3. You bring up Lysander Spooner. I assume you know that he was a hardcore anti-Lincolnian who agreed with the South's right to secede, right? Spooner was an anarchist and I am not, so we will not be 100% on the same page. I'm far from a Spooner expert, but my guess is that while (you say and I assume it's accurate that) he considered local authority to be a &quot;fiction,&quot; he would probably agree that far-removed authority was far worse!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>D.R.</p>
	<p>1. Okay, I&#8217;ll be plain. I have not done the amount of research that I&#8217;m sure Ms. Ruwart has done on the issue. I do not consider child porn to be a significant problem (i.e. a common one), but maybe I&#8217;m wrong. I do find child-sex abuse to be a very serious problem and something far too common that is dealt with far too lightly by state governments. Therefore, I will give a qualified yes to your question, with plenty of caveats. To put it as simply as possible, I would have no problem with the state of Michigan executing an indisputably guilty habitual child molestor. Is that good enough?</p>
	<p>2. Federal power is inherently worse than local because the administers of it are far removed from the people who elected them. Why not just let a World Counsul in Beijing determine the curriculum of our public schools? When tyrants are local, they can be ousted more easily.</p>
	<p>You say we can argue history another time, but then you make several historically contentious comments: The North was violently and reprehensibly racist as well as the South. Though it seems absurd on the face of it, a credible argument can be made that the North was <span class="caps">MORE</span> racist than the South. Regardless, I blame the South&#8217;s racist legacy, post-Civil War, squarely at the feet of the Republican Party, for its invasion of the South under the false banner of emancipation, and its later Reconstruction. I do not for a moment believe that the Republicans, in general, were interested in the plight of African-Americans beyond getting them to the polling place to vote for them.</p>
	<p>3. You bring up Lysander Spooner. I assume you know that he was a hardcore anti-Lincolnian who agreed with the South&#8217;s right to secede, right? Spooner was an anarchist and I am not, so we will not be 100% on the same page. I&#8217;m far from a Spooner expert, but my guess is that while (you say and I assume it&#8217;s accurate that) he considered local authority to be a &#8220;fiction,&#8221; he would probably agree that far-removed authority was far worse!</p>
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		<title>by: The Democratic Republican</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/08/chuck-baldwin-site-goes-live/#comment-599777</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 May 2008 20:55:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I never really paid attention, but: doesn't the LOVE in REVOLUTION go backwards?  If so, someone please tell Baldwin that he has the E going backwards and not the L on the frontpage of his website.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>I never really paid attention, but: doesn&#8217;t the <span class="caps">LOVE</span> in <span class="caps">REVOLUTION</span> go backwards?  If so, someone please tell Baldwin that he has the E going backwards and not the L on the frontpage of his website.</p>
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