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	<title>Comments on: A proposed motion on Libertarian values</title>
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		<title>by: Richard Randall</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-608514</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 18:01:25 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joe,

I don't think that you can measure importance by the number of postings to a BLOG. Since this whole thing began, I have received over a hundred personal e-mails supporting the positions that I have stated on this BLOG (I stopped counting at 100). These individuals often state that they didn't post because I had already said what they would have.</description>
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	<p>I don&#8217;t think that you can measure importance by the number of postings to a <span class="caps">BLOG</span>. Since this whole thing began, I have received over a hundred personal e-mails supporting the positions that I have stated on this <span class="caps">BLOG </span>(I stopped counting at 100). These individuals often state that they didn&#8217;t post because I had already said what they would have.</p>
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-608378</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>That is 87 total postings.  Not 87 different people.  Probably more like 15.  No I did not count them so if anyone wishes to get nit-pickity go ahead.  I don't have time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>That is 87 total postings.  Not 87 different people.  Probably more like 15.  No I did not count them so if anyone wishes to get nit-pickity go ahead.  I don&#8217;t have time.</p>
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-608375</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 16:07:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Richard

I guess I would go along with you if I were to see support from other states' LP's.  However, I have only witnessed a debating society bogging down to who's dictionary says what.  This went on for 36 hours.  I can only imagine what it will be like with 900 delegates shouting for time to be heard.

So to end where I began.  If the LP principles are not clearly defined, where is the massive outcry.  I would have expected thousands of postings, not 87.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Richard</p>
	<p>I guess I would go along with you if I were to see support from other states&#8217; LP&#8217;s.  However, I have only witnessed a debating society bogging down to who&#8217;s dictionary says what.  This went on for 36 hours.  I can only imagine what it will be like with 900 delegates shouting for time to be heard.</p>
	<p>So to end where I began.  If the LP principles are not clearly defined, where is the massive outcry.  I would have expected thousands of postings, not 87.</p>
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		<title>by: Richard Randall</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-607994</link>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 May 2008 05:54:34 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Joe,
I would suggest that if the Party of Principle does not have the time to clearly define its principles, then perhaps it should nominate NOTA as its Presidential candidate. This is a critical time for the Libertarian Party. The direction that the delegates choose for the Party in Denver could propel the word Libertarian to be known in every household - or condemn the it to forever be a footnote in American politics.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Joe,<br />
I would suggest that if the Party of Principle does not have the time to clearly define its principles, then perhaps it should nominate <span class="caps">NOTA</span> as its Presidential candidate. This is a critical time for the Libertarian Party. The direction that the delegates choose for the Party in Denver could propel the word Libertarian to be known in every household &#8211; or condemn the it to forever be a footnote in American politics.</p>
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		<title>by: Joe</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-607176</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 21:52:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-607176</guid>
					<description>Look forward to having a beer with several of you (guess that means I will be having several beers).  As witnessed by this thread the motion elicits very strong response.  This, I fear, will be the same thing at the Convention.  I ask that the motion not be submitted and rather held over for the 2010 convention.  We have a lot to address already with Bylaws concerns, Platform concerns, and not least selection of our Presidential candidate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Look forward to having a beer with several of you (guess that means I will be having several beers).  As witnessed by this thread the motion elicits very strong response.  This, I fear, will be the same thing at the Convention.  I ask that the motion not be submitted and rather held over for the 2010 convention.  We have a lot to address already with Bylaws concerns, Platform concerns, and not least selection of our Presidential candidate.</p>
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		<title>by: Denver Delegate</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-606503</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:29:10 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Part Four

The dictionary is a good authority to have, but sometimes one can do 
better (or worse) than the dictionary. In the case of anarchism, I think the term has become something of a term of art in libertarian policy scholarship, so it shouldn't be abandoned because of how it is popularly perceived.

Other anarchists and I claim the term anarchy is because at least 1) its 
Greek origin &quot;anarchos&quot; meaning &quot;without a ruler&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory158.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;which 
does NOT mean &quot;without rules&quot;&lt;/a&gt;) is an accurate description of a concept the anarchist is trying to describe and communicate, and 2) to do otherwise allows our detractors to define us out of existence (Mr. Randall wrote: &quot;As to what MY preferred term would be for someone who favors 
voluntary governments and opposes monopoly governments (as you defined them)... I find no word in the English dictionary for such a person.&quot;) .

George Orwell wrote about those who would attempt to control thought 
by attempting to control language.

&quot;Seek first to understand. Then to be understood.&quot;
--Stephen Covey

By denying that one who opposes monopoly government but supports voluntary governments is neither anarchist nor libertarian, I'm concerned that those who claim that anarchists are not libertarians may not understand the vision that market anarchists who consider themselves members of the libertarian movement are trying to communicate.

And in light of Brian Holtz's statement that &quot;Market anarchists are libertarians,&quot; I want to say &quot;Thanks, Brian!&quot; As an anarchist I have been impressed with the work of the Platform Committee. Although I don't favor a few of the proposed planks, I have been pleasantly surprised with inclusive language contained in most of the proposed planks that I read and voted in favor of in the survery distributed earlier this year.

Fini.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Part Four</p>
	<p>The dictionary is a good authority to have, but sometimes one can do<br />
better (or worse) than the dictionary. In the case of anarchism, I think the term has become something of a term of art in libertarian policy scholarship, so it shouldn&#8217;t be abandoned because of how it is popularly perceived.</p>
	<p>Other anarchists and I claim the term anarchy is because at least 1) its<br />
Greek origin &#8220;anarchos&#8221; meaning &#8220;without a ruler&#8221; (<a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory158.html" rel="nofollow">which<br />
does <span class="caps">NOT</span> mean &#8220;without rules&#8221;</a>) is an accurate description of a concept the anarchist is trying to describe and communicate, and 2) to do otherwise allows our detractors to define us out of existence (Mr. Randall wrote: &#8220;As to what MY preferred term would be for someone who favors<br />
voluntary governments and opposes monopoly governments (as you defined them)... I find no word in the English dictionary for such a person.&#8221;) .</p>
	<p>George Orwell wrote about those who would attempt to control thought<br />
by attempting to control language.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Seek first to understand. Then to be understood.&#8221;&#8212;Stephen Covey</p>
	<p>By denying that one who opposes monopoly government but supports voluntary governments is neither anarchist nor libertarian, I&#8217;m concerned that those who claim that anarchists are not libertarians may not understand the vision that market anarchists who consider themselves members of the libertarian movement are trying to communicate.</p>
	<p>And in light of Brian Holtz&#8217;s statement that &#8220;Market anarchists are libertarians,&#8221; I want to say &#8220;Thanks, Brian!&#8221; As an anarchist I have been impressed with the work of the Platform Committee. Although I don&#8217;t favor a few of the proposed planks, I have been pleasantly surprised with inclusive language contained in most of the proposed planks that I read and voted in favor of in the survery distributed earlier this year.</p>
	<p>Fini.</p>
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		<title>by: Denver Delegate</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-606489</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:21:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Part Three

From Bryan Caplan's &quot;Anarchist Theory FAQ&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Is anarchism the same thing as libertarianism?

This is actually a complicated question, because the term 
&quot;libertarianism&quot; itself has two very different meanings. In Europe in the 19th-century, libertarianism was a popular euphemism for left-anarchism. 

However, the term did not really catch on in the United States.

After World War II, many American-based pro-free-market intellectuals opposed to traditional conservatism were seeking for a label to describe 
their position, and eventually picked &quot;libertarianism.&quot;

&quot;Classical liberalism&quot; and &quot;market liberalism&quot;; are alternative labels for the same essential position.) The result was that in two different 
political cultures which rarely communicated with one another, the term 
&quot;libertarian&quot; was used in two very different ways. At the current time, 
the American use has basically taken over completely in academic political theory (probably owing to Nozick's influence), but the European use is still popular among many left-anarchist activists in both Europe and the U.S.

The semantic confusion was complicated further when some of the early 
post-war American libertarians determined that the logical implication of their view was, in fact, a variant of anarchism. They adopted the term 
&quot;anarcho-capitalism&quot; to differentiate themselves from more moderate 
libertarianism, but were still generally happy to identify themselves with the broader free-market libertarian movement. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Source: http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm

The libertarian Cato Institute also spent some time hosting a respectful 
discussion of anarchism last year.

Source: http://www.cato-unbound.org/archives/august-2007/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Part Three</p>
	<p>From Bryan Caplan&#8217;s &#8220;Anarchist Theory <span class="caps">FAQ</span>&#8221;:</p>
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<blockquote>Is anarchism the same thing as libertarianism?</p>
	<p>This is actually a complicated question, because the term<br />
&#8220;libertarianism&#8221; itself has two very different meanings. In Europe in the 19th-century, libertarianism was a popular euphemism for left-anarchism.</p>
	<p>However, the term did not really catch on in the United States.</p>
	<p>After World War II, many American-based pro-free-market intellectuals opposed to traditional conservatism were seeking for a label to describe<br />
their position, and eventually picked &#8220;libertarianism.&#8221;</p>
	<p>&#8220;Classical liberalism&#8221; and &#8220;market liberalism&#8221;; are alternative labels for the same essential position.) The result was that in two different<br />
political cultures which rarely communicated with one another, the term<br />
&#8220;libertarian&#8221; was used in two very different ways. At the current time,<br />
the American use has basically taken over completely in academic political theory (probably owing to Nozick&#8217;s influence), but the European use is still popular among many left-anarchist activists in both Europe and the U.S.</p>
	<p>The semantic confusion was complicated further when some of the early<br />
post-war American libertarians determined that the logical implication of their view was, in fact, a variant of anarchism. They adopted the term<br />
&#8220;anarcho-capitalism&#8221; to differentiate themselves from more moderate<br />
libertarianism, but were still generally happy to identify themselves with the broader free-market libertarian movement. </blockquote></p>
	<p>Source: <a href='http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm</a></p>
	<p>The libertarian Cato Institute also spent some time hosting a respectful<br />
discussion of anarchism last year.</p>
	<p>Source: <a href='http://www.cato-unbound.org/archives/august-2007/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.cato-unbound.org/archives/august-2007/</a></p>
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		<title>by: Denver Delegate</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-606481</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 14:15:40 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Looks like the longer comment is still awaiting approval by the moderator.

Part Two

Richard Randall asks:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you trying to make the Libertarian Party smaller by limiting it to anarchists?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. I think the Libertarian Party and the libertarian movement is broad 
enough to include anarchists, minarchists, limited government advocates, 
constitutionalists, and basically anyone that wants to reduce the power of any government.
	
(By the way, although I think that anarchism and statism are mostly 
mutually exclusive, I think an anarchist would have a hard time opposing a state government that was formed by unanimous consent.)

To quote upcoming convention speaker Anthony Gregory, &quot;If anarchism means anything, it is a rejection of the state, meaning, a rejection of an 
institution claiming and maintaining a monopoly on violence.

Source: http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/gregory/gregory13.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Looks like the longer comment is still awaiting approval by the moderator.</p>
	<p>Part Two</p>
	<p>Richard Randall asks:</p>
	<p>
<blockquote>Are you trying to make the Libertarian Party smaller by limiting it to anarchists?</blockquote></p>
	<p>No. I think the Libertarian Party and the libertarian movement is broad<br />
enough to include anarchists, minarchists, limited government advocates,<br />
constitutionalists, and basically anyone that wants to reduce the power of any government.</p>
	<p>(By the way, although I think that anarchism and statism are mostly<br />
mutually exclusive, I think an anarchist would have a hard time opposing a state government that was formed by unanimous consent.)</p>
	<p>To quote upcoming convention speaker Anthony Gregory, &#8220;If anarchism means anything, it is a rejection of the state, meaning, a rejection of an<br />
institution claiming and maintaining a monopoly on violence.</p>
	<p>Source: <a href='http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/gregory/gregory13.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/gregory/gregory13.html</a></p>
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		<title>by: Denver Delegate</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-605703</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:33:45 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Sheesh ... now I see the longer, moderated comment.

Why was it not there before?

Apologize for the clutter.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Sheesh &#8230; now I see the longer, moderated comment.</p>
	<p>Why was it not there before?</p>
	<p>Apologize for the clutter.</p>
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		<title>by: Denver Delegate</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-605699</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:31:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-605699</guid>
					<description>OK, I had an earlier, longer reply, but it looks like it didn't get approved by the moderator (perhaps because of length?).

I'll try to break it up.

Part One:

Richard Randall asks:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you suggesting that there is either one extreme or the other? Where there is either anarchy or totalitarianism – with no possibility of a limited government?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. I accept that individuals can hold a range of policy preferences from, say, no-government anarchists to no-monopoly-government anarchists to libertarians to constitutionalists to democrats to monarchists to totalitarians. I also accept that governments can also operate within this range (excluding the one contemplated by no-government anarchists, although I wonder what that would look like and why any kind of organization that came about voluntarily wouldn’t be considered some kind of government and why and how no-government anarchists would combat that).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>OK, I had an earlier, longer reply, but it looks like it didn&#8217;t get approved by the moderator (perhaps because of length?).</p>
	<p>I&#8217;ll try to break it up.</p>
	<p>Part One:</p>
	<p>Richard Randall asks:</p>
	<p>
<blockquote>Are you suggesting that there is either one extreme or the other? Where there is either anarchy or totalitarianism &#8211; with no possibility of a limited government?</blockquote></p>
	<p>No. I accept that individuals can hold a range of policy preferences from, say, no-government anarchists to no-monopoly-government anarchists to libertarians to constitutionalists to democrats to monarchists to totalitarians. I also accept that governments can also operate within this range (excluding the one contemplated by no-government anarchists, although I wonder what that would look like and why any kind of organization that came about voluntarily wouldn&#8217;t be considered some kind of government and why and how no-government anarchists would combat that).</p>
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		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-605659</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 04:05:05 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>“When I use a word,&quot; Humpty Dumpty said in rather a scornful tone, &quot;it means just what I choose it to mean - neither more nor less.”

Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland.</description>
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	<p>Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland.</p>
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		<title>by: Denver Delegate</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-605510</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Oops. I meant to write:

&quot;By denying that one who opposes monopoly government but supports voluntary governments are neither anarchists or libertarians, ...&quot;</description>
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	<p>&#8220;By denying that one who opposes monopoly government but supports voluntary governments are neither anarchists or libertarians, ...&#8221; </p>
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		<title>by: Denver Delegate</title>
		<link>http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/13/a-proposed-motion-on-libertarian-values/#comment-605500</link>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 May 2008 02:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Richard Randall asks:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you suggesting that there is either one extreme or the other? Where there is either anarchy or totalitarianism – with no possibility of a limited government?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. I accept that individuals can hold a range of policy preferences from, say, no-government anarchists to no-monopoly-government anarchists to libertarians to constitutionalists to democrats to monarchists to totalitarians. I also accept that governments can also operate within this range (excluding the one contemplated by no-government anarchists, although I wonder what that would look like and why any kind of organization that came about voluntarily wouldn't be considered some kind of government and why and how no-government anarchists would combat that).

Richard Randall asks:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Are you trying to make the Libertarian Party smaller by limiting it to anarchists?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

No. I think the Libertarian Party and the libertarian movement is broad enough to include anarchists, minarchists, limited government advocates, constitutionalists ... basically anyone that wants to reduce the power of any government.

(By the way, although I think that anarchism and statism are mostly mutually exclusive, I think an anarchist would have a hard time opposing a state government that was formed by unanimous consent.)

To quote upcoming convention speaker Anthony Gregory, &quot;If anarchism means anything, it is a rejection of the state, meaning, a rejection of an institution claiming and maintaining a monopoly on violence.&quot;

Source: http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/gregory/gregory13.html

From Bryan Caplan's &quot;Anarchist Theory FAQ&quot;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Is anarchism the same thing as libertarianism?
This is actually a complicated question, because the term &quot;libertarianism&quot; itself has two very different meanings. In Europe in the 19th-century, libertarianism was a popular euphemism for left-anarchism. However, the term did not really catch on in the United States. 

After World War II, many American-based pro-free-market intellectuals opposed to traditional conservatism were seeking for a label to describe their position, and eventually picked &quot;libertarianism.&quot; (&quot;Classical liberalism&quot; and &quot;market liberalism&quot; are alternative labels for the same essential position.) The result was that in two different political cultures which rarely communicated with one another, the term &quot;libertarian&quot; was used in two very different ways. At the current time, the American use has basically taken over completely in academic political theory (probably owing to Nozick's influence), but the European use is still popular among many left-anarchist activists in both Europe and the U.S. 

The semantic confusion was complicated further when some of the early post-war American libertarians determined that the logical implication of their view was, in fact, a variant of anarchism. They adopted the term &quot;anarcho-capitalism&quot; to differentiate themselves from more moderate libertarianism, but were still generally happy to identify themselves with the broader free-market libertarian movement. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Source: http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm

The libertarian Cato Institute also spent some time hosting a quality discussion of anarchism last year.

Source: http://www.cato-unbound.org/archives/august-2007/

The dictionary is a good authority to have, but sometimes one can do better (or worse) than the dictionary. In the case of anarchism, I think the term has become something of a term of art in libertarian policy scholarship, so it shouldn't be abandoned because of how it is popularly perceived.

Other anarchists and I claim the term anarchy is because at least 1) its Greek origin &quot;anarchos,&quot; meaning &quot;without a ruler&quot; (&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory158.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;which does NOT mean &quot;without rules&quot;&lt;/a&gt;) is an accurate description of a concept the anarchist is trying to describe and communicate, and 2) to do otherwise allows our detractors to define us out of existence (&quot;As to what MY preferred term would be for someone who favors voluntary governments and opposes monopoly governments (as you defined them)... I find no word in the English dictionary for such a person. &quot;) .

George Orwell wrote about those who would attempt to control thought by attempting to control language.

&quot;Seek first to understand. Then to be understood.&quot; 
--Stephen Covey

By denying that one who opposes monopoly government but supports voluntary governments, I'm concerned that those who claim that anarchists are not libertarians may not understand the vision that market anarchists who consider themselves members of the libertarian movement are trying to communicate.

And in light of Brian Holtz's statement that &quot;Market anarchists are libertarians,&quot; I want to say &quot;Thanks, Brian!&quot; As an anarchist I have been impressed with the work of the Platform Committee. Although I don't favor a few of the proposed planks, I have been pleasantly surprised with inclusive language contained in most of the proposed planks that I read and voted in favor of in the survery distributed earlier this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Richard Randall asks:</p>
	<p>
<blockquote>Are you suggesting that there is either one extreme or the other? Where there is either anarchy or totalitarianism &#8211; with no possibility of a limited government?</blockquote></p>
	<p>No. I accept that individuals can hold a range of policy preferences from, say, no-government anarchists to no-monopoly-government anarchists to libertarians to constitutionalists to democrats to monarchists to totalitarians. I also accept that governments can also operate within this range (excluding the one contemplated by no-government anarchists, although I wonder what that would look like and why any kind of organization that came about voluntarily wouldn&#8217;t be considered some kind of government and why and how no-government anarchists would combat that).</p>
	<p>Richard Randall asks:</p>
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<blockquote>Are you trying to make the Libertarian Party smaller by limiting it to anarchists?</blockquote></p>
	<p>No. I think the Libertarian Party and the libertarian movement is broad enough to include anarchists, minarchists, limited government advocates, constitutionalists &#8230; basically anyone that wants to reduce the power of any government.</p>
	<p>(By the way, although I think that anarchism and statism are mostly mutually exclusive, I think an anarchist would have a hard time opposing a state government that was formed by unanimous consent.)</p>
	<p>To quote upcoming convention speaker Anthony Gregory, &#8220;If anarchism means anything, it is a rejection of the state, meaning, a rejection of an institution claiming and maintaining a monopoly on violence.&#8221;</p>
	<p>Source: <a href='http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/gregory/gregory13.html' rel='nofollow'>http://www.strike-the-root.com/4/gregory/gregory13.html</a></p>
	<p>From Bryan Caplan&#8217;s &#8220;Anarchist Theory <span class="caps">FAQ</span>&#8221;:</p>
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<blockquote>Is anarchism the same thing as libertarianism?<br />
This is actually a complicated question, because the term &#8220;libertarianism&#8221; itself has two very different meanings. In Europe in the 19th-century, libertarianism was a popular euphemism for left-anarchism. However, the term did not really catch on in the United States.</p>
	<p>After World War II, many American-based pro-free-market intellectuals opposed to traditional conservatism were seeking for a label to describe their position, and eventually picked &#8220;libertarianism.&#8221; (&#8220;Classical liberalism&#8221; and &#8220;market liberalism&#8221; are alternative labels for the same essential position.) The result was that in two different political cultures which rarely communicated with one another, the term &#8220;libertarian&#8221; was used in two very different ways. At the current time, the American use has basically taken over completely in academic political theory (probably owing to Nozick&#8217;s influence), but the European use is still popular among many left-anarchist activists in both Europe and the U.S.</p>
	<p>The semantic confusion was complicated further when some of the early post-war American libertarians determined that the logical implication of their view was, in fact, a variant of anarchism. They adopted the term &#8220;anarcho-capitalism&#8221; to differentiate themselves from more moderate libertarianism, but were still generally happy to identify themselves with the broader free-market libertarian movement. </blockquote></p>
	<p>Source: <a href='http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm' rel='nofollow'>http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/bcaplan/anarfaq.htm</a></p>
	<p>The libertarian Cato Institute also spent some time hosting a quality discussion of anarchism last year.</p>
	<p>Source: <a href='http://www.cato-unbound.org/archives/august-2007/' rel='nofollow'>http://www.cato-unbound.org/archives/august-2007/</a></p>
	<p>The dictionary is a good authority to have, but sometimes one can do better (or worse) than the dictionary. In the case of anarchism, I think the term has become something of a term of art in libertarian policy scholarship, so it shouldn&#8217;t be abandoned because of how it is popularly perceived.</p>
	<p>Other anarchists and I claim the term anarchy is because at least 1) its Greek origin &#8220;anarchos,&#8221; meaning &#8220;without a ruler&#8221; (<a href="http://www.lewrockwell.com/gregory/gregory158.html" rel="nofollow">which does <span class="caps">NOT</span> mean &#8220;without rules&#8221;</a>) is an accurate description of a concept the anarchist is trying to describe and communicate, and 2) to do otherwise allows our detractors to define us out of existence (&#8220;As to what MY preferred term would be for someone who favors voluntary governments and opposes monopoly governments (as you defined them)... I find no word in the English dictionary for such a person. &#8220;) .</p>
	<p>George Orwell wrote about those who would attempt to control thought by attempting to control language.</p>
	<p>&#8220;Seek first to understand. Then to be understood.&#8221;&#8212;Stephen Covey</p>
	<p>By denying that one who opposes monopoly government but supports voluntary governments, I&#8217;m concerned that those who claim that anarchists are not libertarians may not understand the vision that market anarchists who consider themselves members of the libertarian movement are trying to communicate.</p>
	<p>And in light of Brian Holtz&#8217;s statement that &#8220;Market anarchists are libertarians,&#8221; I want to say &#8220;Thanks, Brian!&#8221; As an anarchist I have been impressed with the work of the Platform Committee. Although I don&#8217;t favor a few of the proposed planks, I have been pleasantly surprised with inclusive language contained in most of the proposed planks that I read and voted in favor of in the survery distributed earlier this year.</p>
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					<description>&quot;...many legitimate libertarians do not view an embryo or a fetus as possessing human rights merely because they “could” one day become a human capable of living outside of the mother’s body.&quot;

What if the majority of legitimate libertarians someday did not view a child under the age of 5 as possessing human rights merely because it could one day become a human adult capable of living outside the parent's control?  Hhhhhhhmmmmm.  Slippery slope when humans attempt to define life -- their reasoning is so flawed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>&#8220;...many legitimate libertarians do not view an embryo or a fetus as possessing human rights merely because they &#8220;could&#8221; one day become a human capable of living outside of the mother&#8217;s body.&#8221;</p>
	<p>What if the majority of legitimate libertarians someday did not view a child under the age of 5 as possessing human rights merely because it could one day become a human adult capable of living outside the parent&#8217;s control?  Hhhhhhhmmmmm.  Slippery slope when humans attempt to define life&#8212;their reasoning is so flawed.</p>
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		<title>by: Michael Seebeck</title>
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					<description>Let's just rename ourselves the Libertanarchy Party and be done with it, OK?

All this arguing about the final destination when the train is still in the station and the tracks go to both stops is just pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[	<p>Let&#8217;s just rename ourselves the Libertanarchy Party and be done with it, OK?</p>
	<p>All this arguing about the final destination when the train is still in the station and the tracks go to both stops is just pointless.</p>
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