How is it “hypocritical” of me to point out that a terrorist group is a terrorist group just because I’ve also been affiliated with a terrorist group?

And no, “patrolling” an imaginary line on the ground and calling the “official” terrorists in to abduct people who cross it isn’t “self-defense” against Mecha, La Raza or anyone else. It’s just aiding and abetting in a terrorist kidnapping scheme, no more, no less.

May 14th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
The Minuteman are acting in self defense against groups like MECHA, La Raza, and MS-13.

And so I repeat:

Illogical much?

What does the one have to do with the other?”

The Minutemen are fighting back against the aggression that comes from groups like MECHA, La Raza, and MS-13.

I’d like to see a comparison of the following.

Who recieves more tax payer funding, MECHA & La Raza, or the Minutemen?

Who lobbies for more tax payer funding and welfare state programs, MECHA & La Raza, or the Minutemen?

Who recieves more foundation (as in Rockefeller Foundation, Ford Foundation, etc…) funding, MECHA & La Raza, or the Minutemen?

Who recieves more corporate funding, MECHA & La Raza, or the Minutemen?

Who has more members/supporters on welfare, MECHA & La Raza, or the Minutemen?

Which group has committed more murders, MS-13 or the Minutemen?

Which group has committed more rapes, MS-13 or the Minutemen?

Which group has committed more armed robberies, MS-13 or the Minutemen?

Which group has committed more assults, MS-13 or the Minutemen?

Which group has more members in prison (thus using tax payer resources to keep them in prison), MS-13 or the Minutemen?

Who would you rather live next door to, a member of the Minutemen or an MS-13 member?

Who would you rather leave to babysit your children, an MS-13 member or a member of the Minutemen?

Which group has more racial diversity in their membership, MECHA & La Raza & MS-13, or the Minutemen?

“’I hope that these people most next door to Susan and Tom.’

That’s not very nice of you.”

Some people need a wake up call. Perhaps living in an MS-13 gang infested neighborhood would be a reality check for you.

If you think that all people who cross borders are peaceful, then why don’t you move into an MS-13 gang infested neighborhood? I know some neighborhoods in Los Angeles that you should check out. Surely you’d be willing to move into one of these neighborhoods, wouldn’t you?

This kind of reminds me of an expression that goes, “A conservative is a liberal that’s been mugged.” (This does not mean that I’m endorsing so called conservatives, but rather poking fun at naive chickenlivered limousine leftist types, an attitude which permeates into libertarian ranks.)

“Thomas L. Knapp Says:

May 14th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
Andy,

How does the claim that there are Latino terror groups in any way conflict with the claim that there are anti-immigration terror groups? The fact that you approve of one terror group and don’t approve of another is irrelevant.”

The Minutemen are RESPONDING to terror that was already being caused – and is in fact still being caused – by Latino terror groups. Ever hear of self defense?

Also, this is rather hypocritical coming from you, since you were a member of one of the biggest terrorist groups in the world in the US military, and more specifically, the US Marine Corp? Unlike the Marines, the Minutemen do not get tax payer funding and do not invade other nations. The Minutemen have more in common with the citizens Militias envisioned by the Founding Fathers than the Marines of today do.

Who has killed more innocent people, the Marines or the Minutemen?

And so I repeat:

Illogical much?

What does the one have to do with the other?

I hope that these people most next door to Susan and Tom.

That’s not very nice of you.

How does the claim that there are Latino terror groups in any way conflict with the claim that there are anti-immigration terror groups? The fact that you approve of one terror group and don’t approve of another is irrelevant.

MS-13: The World’s Most Dangerous (Street) Gang
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MazeO37BUmE

MS-13 are violent thug lowlife criminal pieces of trash.

May 14th, 2008 at 1:00 pm
If the Minuteman are terrorists, then what are MECHA, La Raza, and MS-13, fine upstanding people?

Illogical much?

What does the one have to do with the other?”

The Minuteman are acting in self defense against groups like MECHA, La Raza, and MS-13.

The answer could probably be stated in minutes.

O.W.

Illogical much?

What does the one have to do with the other?

May 14th, 2008 at 11:14 am
“DECLARATION ALLIANCE MINUTEMAN CIVIL DEFENSE CORPS PAC INC”

Disclosure: When I opined that a contribution to Saxby Chambliss was the functional equivalent of a contribution to al Qaeda, I had no idea that it would subsequently come to light that Barr has contributed to actual, not just rhetorical, terrorists.”

If the Minuteman are terrorists, then what are MECHA, La Raza, and MS-13, fine upstanding people?

You haven’t read me right. I say that Barr should not be contributing to Republican (or Democrat, or Green, or Constitution) candidates or having the leadership PAC bearing his name and fundraising over his signature contributing to Republicans while he is serving on the LNC.

This ‘people associated with his PAC’ thing is a silly smokescreen. Letters are sent out bearing his name from a PAC bearing his name asking for money to give to Republican candidates. To suggest that Barr has no control over that is too disingenuous.

Being on the governing board of a political party is a partisan job. Barr was flouting any sort of responsibility he had taken on to strengthen the Libertarian Party. An LNC member’s job is not to “support libertarian leaning candidate(s) of another party”, but to support Libertarian candidates.

Also: is he supposed to swear all his old Republican friends off after joining the LP.

Of course not. But we’re not talking lunch or donuts, here, we’re talking campaign contributions. My point was that this is clearly a conflict of interest, and if he sees no problem with fundraising for Republicans as a member of the LNC, I have zero faith that he’ll have a problem with it as a Libertarian candidate.

Is any LP leadership member not allowed to have friends in any other party, and support them, if they support your principles, even if they are not 100% Libertarian, say 80% libertarian, but also 100% libertarian on a given issue, like the repeal of the Patriot Act.

Barr was asked to represent and help guide the Libertarian Party. The Republican Party is in direct competition with the LP. By helping RP candidates, Barr hurts LP candidates and creates a conflict-of-interest situation. I’m not sure why anyone would think that was appropriate. I’m sure Bob’s Republican politician friends would be understanding if he just sent them a Christmas card instead pf a check while he’s serving on the LNC.

With such a view, it seems to me the Lp is more like an exclusive club, than a political party that want to be successful in the short and long term based on strong principles.

The LP is a political party. The RP is a political party. The LP and the RP are both competing for the same offices. If you think the LP should embrace a strategy of supporting candidates in other political parties, make that case. But at this point the LP’s bylaws explicitly reject such a strategy.

Apparently you do not find Barr’s behavior to be an unprofessional conflict of interest, and I do. I think we’ve both made our cases here.

Disclosure: When I opined that a contribution to Saxby Chambliss was the functional equivalent of a contribution to al Qaeda, I had no idea that it would subsequently come to light that Barr has contributed to actual, not just rhetorical, terrorists.

disinter: that site is spewing hate all over

Yes, of course. Anything that you don’t agree with is obviously “hate”.