As for questioning my libertarian creds, you don’t want to go there. Unlike you, and your sideline complaining like a pathetic wimp, people like me are actually in the trenches fighting the fight.

And I don’t need to revert to namecalling either. All it does for you is make you look like a blustering fool. I’ve dealt with plenty of them in past, and I’ve heard almost it all, so you’re nothing new. In fact, in the insult department, you don’t even make it out of Rookie League!

disinter, I never said licensing was constitutional or libertarian.

Then why are you hailing it as a victory? Perhaps you aren’t libertarian?

What I DID say was that the ruling now requires a license for same-sex couples as well as opposite-sex couples. That requirement now makes it much easier to say the licenses aren’t needed at all.

More government is necessary to get less governmen? Let me know when you return to earth, Seedick.

What I DID say was that the ruling now requires a license for same-sex couples as well as opposite-sex couples. That requirement now makes it much easier to say the licenses aren’t needed at all. Before that, the claim was made that the licenses were need to deny same-sex couples marriage That claim is completely gone now, and the only reason for licensing marriages is now contractual, and that is done just as well privately.

Only in your mind is opening up marriage to same-sex couples a bad thing. You are so fixated on the licensing that you miss the point that it is a step in the right direction, even if it isn’t the whole kit and kaboodle that you want and are bitching about because it isn’t there yet.

So namecall all you want, but the fact is, you are just way off-base and out of line, and you are making yourself to be a fool.

find the CA ruling and actually READ IT!

Seedick – are you saying that gay couples will not have to register with the government (get permission) to get married? Are you saying such licensing is constitutional or even libertarian?

disinter doesn’t like valid points and therefore he complains I think everyone who disagrees should STFU. Nope, disinter, just you should STFU, because you are as wrong on this one as Dondero is on everything else. Your personal vendettas cloud your judgment, and that is plainly obvious to everyone on TPW.

Now, disinter, be a good little boy, and go do your reading homework assignment: find the CA ruling and actually READ IT!

Huge Ass correctly points out:

“This doesn’t move us closer to liberty, because it simply mandates that all gay couples register with the state government, and that unelected judges maintain the power to overrule the wills of the people. Libertarians should be working to abolish unconstitutional marriage licensing, and allow all couples to freely marry.”

http://thirdpartywatch.com/2008/05/15/phillies-salutes-advance-of-liberty-in-california/#comment-608831

Interesting that this “libertarian” sees more government intervention as “a win”.

Sheesh, it’s not that hard: to go 2 miles you need to go 1 mile first…

Sure, it’s not getting government out of marriages,

No shit?

As a member of the LPCA Legislative Action Team, I can tell you that we have taken the ball and ran with providing legislative bill analysis for the LPCA to promote moving policy in a libertarian direction. That includes supporting Mark Leno’s same-gender marriage legislation. EVERY state and the LNC should have LATs, and few do.

We also played a role in this press release, providing input to it, although we had no say on the final wording (which is fine since that’s not the LAT’s role anyway).

So, yeah, we’re on the front lines here. This was a HUGE win, whose impacts will be felt beyond CA. Sure, it’s not getting government out of marriages, but Rome wasn’t built in a day, and by leveling the licensing playing field it sets the table to get rid of them entirely.

Ergo, it’s a bit rich for him to be criticizing the LP of CA for its efforts, when its the LP of CA who has been part of the leadership coalition on this issue, with do-nothing Mike Nelson carping from the sidelines.

Brian, you never cease to amuse me with your infinite stupidity. If the LP of CA has some sort of “leadership coalition” in favor of more government regulation (marriage licenses), then by all means I will be “carping”. Duh!

In addition, he is a strident and vocal supporter of a Republican candidate who both has a marriage license and who advocates deep government involvement in marriage.

Very good observation. Key word is “republican”.