“When half the nation can vote to do whatever it wants then disaster will ensue. The ability for the majority to wipe away any branch of government or even the constitution is an awful thing.”

This is not even a remotely accurate representation of Senator Gravel’s proposal. Gravel’s idea of a National Initiative is not about replacing representative government nor overriding the Constitution. On the contrary, Mike Gravel has said on numerous occasions that he conceptualizes the National Initiative as a Fourth Branch of Government with the People as an added check in the System of Checks and Balances.

The purpose of the National Initiative is to empower the people to to supplement representative government, not replace it. The Congress could present a bill for the people to vote on, or the people could engage in some type of signature gathering process to put a question on the ballot. That includes Libertarian proposals.

And of course, you can’t pass a law that violates the Constitution with the people any more than you can in Congress. (Of course a lot of unconstitutional laws are passed by Congress, but they get away with it because the Supreme Court isn’t doing its job!)

And Ross is right: certainly, laws passed by the people (within the context of a Constitionally-based society) is going to be closer to Libertarian principles than by the 435 oligarchs in Washington D.C who are bought and paid for by special interests.

Dr. Gonzo- A federal democracy is a terrible idea for one to propose. It clearly shows Gravel has no understanding of mob rule and the dangers of a democracy. When half the nation can vote to do whatever it wants then disaster will ensue. The ability for the majority to wipe away any branch of government or even the constitution is an awful thing. It gives power to 51% of the nation to command 49%. If they followed Libertarian principals the Libertarian Party would be in charge. Furthermore, no Libertarian would allow such a concentration of power. Less power not more is the solution to government.

Eventually, you’re going to have to learn to get along with people who agree with you to some extent, but who disagree with you on key policy areas. You’re going to have to learn to respect them and work with them as Libertarians, rather than blast them as Evil People Who Make No Sense™.

Boy does the pot ever call the kettle black… woah!

THAT is the secret to creating a successful Libertarian Party

If you are soo keen on this “secret”, then why is YOUR Outright Liber-Nazi group such a failure?

The sooner they’re dispatched with, the better.

So now the Outright Liber-tards want to purge those that they disagree with as well?

It makes no sense because you don’t want it to make sense.

Radicals can also state that, to them, Barr makes no sense, and it’s equally valid.

Eventually, you’re going to have to learn to get along with people who agree with you to some extent, but who disagree with you on key policy areas. You’re going to have to learn to respect them and work with them as Libertarians, rather than blast them as Evil People Who Make No Sense™.

THAT is the secret to creating a successful Libertarian Party, not the Scheme Of The Week That Will Magically Make Us Mainstream Through A Single Magic Bullet™.

The whole “this candidate will make us mainstream” or “change our platform and the votes will come streaming in” trains of theory are both excellent examples of Libertarian Magical Delusion Syndrome. The sooner they’re dispatched with, the better.

Brian is absolutely correct that Fox News Channel has no viewers.

Which is the only reason they gave them any air time in the first place.

Awwww, Steve Linnabary got his heart broken by someone who actually prioritizes education and healthcare.

Letting the free market and private sector magically solve everything is like having your precocious 16-year old daughter go out with the captain of the football team and assume they’ll just hold hands.

I mean, are you that rigid? That mental?

Austrian Economist:

Where exactly does an obstinate little slug like yourself even live?

You are probably, through and through, the most negative person I’ve ever heard. And you must attribute that to your all-seeing wisdom, that few if any can appreciate.

It’s really laughable the rock under which you drape your world outlook.

the thought of Hilary Clinton as the LP nomination fills me with horror.

Unless that retard caucus has completely taken over the LP, they would never nominate her.

Watch reel # 2. You don’t even have to watch it closely.

The Senator CLEARLY calls for a nationalized health care, to be paid for with a NEW tax, the “Fairy Tax”.

FWIW, the Senator may still be the best candidate for the LP, albeit one that I am much less enthused about.

As The Dylan says above “But to hear a Libertarian talk about how without government, there would be no education, no health care, and we’d all be broke?! ”

I’m old enough to remember when as a youngster on a farm in Appalachia, doctors were so plentiful that they actually made house calls. The very small town nearest the family farm was Buckeye Lake. There were several doctors there. Today, Buckeye Lake is much larger, but there are no doctors.

More government is NOT the answer! Never was, never will be. The fact that the rest of the worlds governments provide health care to some of it’s residents is irrelevant. Your straw-man argument to lump the USA with South Africa not withstanding.

I could go on, but I have a HempFest to be at in a half hour.

PEACE
Steve

...first off, great hillary stuff, brian miller!...(it’s fun to watch the bobo barf and wayne rot republicrat cheerleaders get ‘reality bitch-slapped’)..

THE DYLAN, yes, and i believe most of ?your goddamned fool republicrats would be thrilled/entertained by some footage of LP candidates bob barf and wayne rot as the pivot-men in a circle-jerk…(it might attract even more ‘media exposure’ if they used some props.. maybe feather-dusters stuffed up their asses… ;o)

...folks, let’s get real!..ONE SIGNIFICANT PROBLEM FOR DECENT, KNOWLEDGEABLE ‘LIBERTARIANS’ APPEARS TO BE THE FOLLOWING:

...WHEREAS ‘POLITICS’ AMOUNTS/CAN AMOUNT TO “A COMPETITION OF IDEAS ABOUT ‘GOVERNMENT’‘..

...AND WHILE DECENT, KNOWLEDGEABLE ‘LIBERTARIANS’ REALISTICALLY UNDERSTAND THE ORIGIN, NATURE, ETC. OF ‘GOVERNMENT’ AS ‘FORCE,’ ‘AN AGENCY OF COERCION,’ ETC.,...REPUBLICRATS STRONGLY TEND TOWARDS BEING NUMB FUCKS WHO CAN’T/WON’T SEE THIS ‘LIBERTARIAN’ REALITY (ask 100 republicrats to define “government” and you’ll get 1OO different fucked-up responses)

..THEREFORE, WHEN YOU ARE TALKING ‘POLITICS’ (the competition of ideas about “GOVERNMENT”) WITH THESE STOOOOOOOOOOPID, BRAIN-LAUNDERED, REPUBLICRATS YOU ARE INEVITABLY TALKING PAST ONE ANOTHER AS YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT DIFFERENT THINGS..(remember republicrats, in order to honestly verbally ‘comm’unicate it seems you need to have a somewhat ‘comm’on understanding about what you are ‘comm’unicating)..

...btw, similarly, CLARK has a near-impossible challenge ‘comm’unicating with you money retards about ‘the economy,’ etc. ad nau$eam..because CLARK understands the origin, nature, etc.. of the most ubiquitous ‘economic’ element-the unit of account—(the federal reserve token or ‘dollar’ to you republicrat weasel-skinners) and you money dummies obviously don’t..

(btw republicrats, i know you think you under$tand ‘the money’...just like the stoooooopid fuck republicrats think they understand ‘what government is!’)

HINT: MAYBE CONCENTRATE ON THE BASICS..although this may bore some of you…remember…the MASSES of republicrats are worse than ignorant/brainwashed about things you and i take for granted..

(that felt good..have a nice day!) ;o)